neil0311

I’m wondering if others have seen in reality that the TLX has poor resale value. I have a 2 year old 2015 TLX AWD with 22K miles, and according to KBB, trade in is only around $22K to $23K. Retail is only $26K according to KBB. That’s awful.

My 9 year old Lexus IS with 130K miles had a value of $16K (sticker was $39K in early 2007). Kind of hard to believe that a car with 110K more miles and almost 9 years older was worth only $6K less than my TLX. The IS is a smaller car as well.

pyrodan007

Confirmed with my Canadian 15 TLX as well, that year is terrible. Mine has less than 10k KM, fully loaded with a retail of 55k (tax in). Got a quote of 26k from Audi and 28k from Infiniti. According to CBB, pure max is 30.5k. On an almost new 2 year old car.

The 15s are useless, nobody wants them (including my Acura dealership). On Autotrader.ca, out of 62 TLXs within 100km of MTL, 36 of them are 2015s with most being V6s.

fiatlux

That's because the new ones are selling for so little. You can pick up a brand new 2017 V6 FWD for $30K with a little legwork.

AZuser

So in 2 years, it's lost between 40% (retail) and 47% (trade-in) of it's value (based on MSRP)?

So much for best in class resale value.

I guess that's good news for people who might want to pick up a used one. As a bonus, they get a craptastic 9ZF transmission.

paperboy42190

iTrader: (7)

Resale value definitely wasn't as good as I thought when I sold my car.
I got my 2016 tlx v6 with tech in August 2016(new), and sold it in May 2017 for $26700 to a car dealer with 5k miles...(mint condition)
I wish I could have sold it privately for more but acura leases state only a dealer/insurance is able to buy it before the lease is over.

neil0311

That’s not true at all. I had the transmission replaced in Feb 2016 and it’s been fine ever since. If you’re still driving around with one of the early original builds and having issues, that’s your own fault at this point.

neil0311

Wow. I paid $37,500 originally for a Tech AWD, but Honda paid me $6500 as compensation for the issues I experienced with the transmission and electronics, and fixed the problems. So I have $31,000 (plus tax) in the car, which I guess isn’t bad. I own it outright and had planned to keep it for 10 years, but now will probably sell once the warranty is all done.

2012wagon

If you want to make yourself feel better, go to see the rlx forum

they are losing their shirts

$24k resale for 3 year old RLX :
https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...d-club-962741/

AZuser

The 9ZF transmission is so awesome you had to have yours replace.

Tell me how awesome the 9ZF is again?

F23A4

Just hit 20k in mine; no issues to report with the ZF in my '16.

neil0311

Geez...reading comprehension much? Did you miss the part where it’s completely fine now? It was replaced because earlier builds had an issue. The newer versions have been fine since mid-2015.

sinain

Are you seriously a "moderator" or is that just a cute signature block? Not a prude but think it is important to communicate with a degree of civility and at least a pretense of some "moderation". After all, moderators moderate.

miner

agree, too

sinain

Good job!! Oh, and in the interest of compliance, my Acura TLX transmission is fine. Can't comment on resale, since I haven't done so.

neil0311

I guess we all wanted an Acura. I had Hondas before that held up very well on resale. I guess it goes to buying a first model year vehicle, which I will never ever do again.

Oh well, lesson learned. Maybe the value will stabilize over time. I’ll be selling around the time the power train warranty expires just in case.

jhb31

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Just looked on cars.com and saw these prices

Used 2008 Lexus IS 350 $14,490 WAS $14,990 Mileage: 76,173

So trade in on yours with nearly twice the miles would be under 1Ok most likely. If you can get anything close to 16 take it and run. Dealers look at the market and give trade based on what else it out there rather the KBB or other pricing sources. Regardless the 2015 have a bad rap and the market will not be kind to them. Then the 2017's were discounted heavily so that you could get a near 40k sticker car for 32k or less new doesn't help. I traded my 2017 into acura for 30,500 but the audi dealer wouldn't budge above 26k for it with 5k miles.I was happy to not have to take too much of a haircut on it.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

with an average of 16 million new cars sold...of course resale value will take a hit. coupled with the bad press of the TLX zf 9speed, it not a surprise that you all are taking hits on resale value.
I live in Houston, along with Miner...and there are absolutely NO '18s on the road. TOns of MDXes tho

pyrodan007

I think the damage has already been done with the ZF9. As long as it's associated to the TLX, resale will never be Acura like.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Perfect storm - as it were:
1) Sedan sales are tanking - demand has shifted to SUV/CUV market.
2) The 2015's had issues (more specific to the V6 models but the 2.4 had a few TSB's as well) which are possibly entering into the equation.
3) Lack of demand has driven the price down for the new models which certainly plays a part in the resale of a car that's just a few years old.
4) Luxury or semi Luxury cars get hit harder, percentage-wise, than normal cars with regards to depreciation - ESPECIALLY in the first 2 years. It's not a value purchase and certainly a poor use of money if you're only focusing on value.

All that adds up to a challenging time to get top dollar for resale right now or in the foreseeable future in my opinion.

I'm with you 100% on the not buying a first year model again. I'm watching for the upcoming redesigned RDX - but won't be buying one until at least 2020 if it is indeed what I'm interested in. Not interested in being the "beta tester" again!

AZuser

It's fine now because you replaced a bad transmission. You keep proving my point that the 9ZF is a poor transmission.

Why sell before the power train warranty expires, worried the awesome transmission will crap out?

justnspace

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^

WheelMcCoy

Yep, may as well name it TZLFX9.

Now, if Acura resumes building cars with a manual transmission, they just might be able to shake off the bad rep.

fiatlux

Have they been? I got a 2017 as a loaner, and it was pretty lousy (or maybe that's how it's supposed to be and it was much worse before?)

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

I believe the '18s are MUCH improved. However, it doesnt do much for the TLX image if 15-17's display lousy transmission tendencies

2012wagon

Who would buy them? 5 Jalopnik readers?

I am one of the weirdos with 2 manual cars in the stable. In my family/friends/work circle, no one owns manuals anymore

BEAR-AvHistory

Nah, My TL 6MT needed a rebuild at 22K miles under a TSB. Right after a class action suite was filed.

6SpeedTL

IMO, it doesnt make sense to buy brand new for a daily driver, your just throwing your money away. If that doesnt bother you then I guess it doesnt matter, to each his own.

rockstar143

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I like Manuel.

hadokenuh

Normally buying Acura or Honda helps with the amount of money you "throw away" because of their good resales but in this case, it's worse or comparable to German cars. But if everyone buys used cars, then used car prices will go up to the point it make sense to buy new

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

Same as buying vs renting a place...market shifts.

6SpeedTL

Not exactly, you build decent equity in homes, granted your paying interest but in most cases you should get a big chunk of your principal back and hopefully more if markets are doing well. Unless your buying rare cars, and sitting on them, your never going to get much money back from a used vehicle. You dont pay any interest when you rent but your not getting anything back when you decide to move.

At the end of the day, if you have the cash to burn then who cares assuming your on track to retire when u want.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

not rare but reasonably collectible

F23A4

Was it the same issue as a number of 6MTs that tended to pop out of 3rd gear?

BEAR-AvHistory

Yes. Tried the Honda recommended GM friction modifier positraction gear oil replacement & it helped for a short while. Third, reverse, some synchros & bearings were bad. Honda developed a standard repair kit for the problem because it crossed both Acura & Honda product likes. They also copied the GM oil for the factory first fills.

Posted about it contemporaneously back around 2008 or so in the 3G forum.

NOTE: Apparently the GM oil is really good stuff. A bottle of the concentrate was packed in the crate with the FORD LSD rear axle that I bought for the COBRA.

Saintor

My BMW E90 was not easy to re-sell either.

But in counterpart I was very pleased with Acura leasing terms of 2016. I pay the same month amount indexed to inflation than my Accord EX-L 1999 ... with more tax and 36mo instead of 48.

Just another case of 'better lease'. Might not be true in 2018.

2012wagon

Never leased an acura

are they as subsidized as Benz and BMW entry level leases ?

Saintor

Is that problem?

I love being in a 36mo lease. Good luck reselling any mainstream 3-4-5 yo cars with a $45K MSRP at a good price....

KeithL

resale on many cars sucks last few years. The amount of used cars on the market has depressed the trade in value. The pressure to sell new cars and their discounts and then leases are driving resale low as there are so many used cars on market and people are keeping their cars longer. That is why I am back to leasing to make sure I can get a fresh car every 3 years. I am sure the 15 tranny issues is also pushing resale down.

2012wagon

who said anything about a problem
don't be so defensive

I have leased German
i never leased acura

you leased acura
thus I was asking you a question

geeez

Nexx

Nada average trade in on a 2008 IS350 with 130k miles is $7700.00