BEAR-AvHistory

Some Turbo toys. My daughter recorded this during the Performance Center Delivery of my 440 Turbo Toy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbYU...ature=youtu.be

The vid does not really translate the actual speed & G loads well. These car were moving very quickly.

The M4 engines are 2979 cc inline 6 cylinders. By comparison the N/A V6 in the TLX is 3471 cc. Anyone who thiks a turbo regardless of displacement is just a toy is out of their gourd. These are 4 cylinder turbos MB 2.0T 375hp, Volvo 1969CC 316HP, 718 BoxsterS 2497 cc 350hp all very nice Turbo Toys.

F23A4

Hmmm. Hard to tell his equipment based on the 'sore loser' reaction. (Not to mention, all trim levels on the 15-17 TLX seems to look alike with the only real difference being an 'SH-AWD' badge on the AWD model, Potenzas on the PAWS V6 models and 17" wheels on the 2.4) I will admit that the 2.4 feels sportier than my 3.5.

In terms of butt feel, I agree that it is likely not the best way to determine which car is quicker. (My old 02 Maxima -- and a couple of 3G V6 Altimas I've driven -- feel quicker than my 16 TLX V6; however, I'm fairly confident I can run circles around them all) Likewise, I'm not too keen on using magazine times as gospel. However, I do use them to establish a sort of baseline on performance expectations.

That notwithstanding, C/D test results seem to show the 330i trapping 3 mph lower and 2.9 mph slower in 0-130mph than the TLX 3.5 PAWS. Granted those same tests do show the 330 as quicker out the gate and through the traps; but, it sounds like story changes as velocity continues to increase....up until the 3.5's 136 mph limiter takes control.

BEAR-AvHistory

That would make sense. The TLX V6 has more horsepower than the BMW 2T. Given a reasonable weight differential at some point the TLX should pull ahead. The TLX also has about 10 ft lbs more torque but it comes in 3000 rpm after the BMW peaks.

So the additional torque is of no help to the TLX in the sprint but the extra horsepower does give it an advantage over 100mph..

The BMW with a governed speed of 155mph would take the lead back as the TLX governor shuts it down. The 2T is a pretty good package at putting the power where an everyday driver can feel & use it.

F23A4

Incidentally, I did take a spin in my wife's cousins 328i Gran Coupe a while back. I'll just say that it's not one that I ever want to sleep on.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, one thing. The 330 has a new engine vs the 328. Similar ratings but you know BMW & horsepower ratings.

F23A4

Yeah, I place official BMW horsepower ratings in my 'grain of salt' file.

Costco

This is definitely progress. There was a time and age when people were bemoaning six cylinders becoming more popular than V8s in their full sized cars. But that was a different time, with the oil crisis and all.

I can attest to the turbo 4 cyl's grunt. Who'd have thought, a 4-cylinder 5-series carrying 600+ lbs of passengers and luggage would have no problem going up the grapevine. In 90+ F weather, no less.

Seriously. A four cylinder encumbered by more than 4400 lbs total, and I was able to pass with ease going up a 6% grade.

Some will say the sky is falling, but ten years from now nobody is going to bat an eye at the lack of NA sixes. While my own car is NA, and I love its character, for a regular passenger car a turbo is great.

Saintor

Just for the record and because you are infringing my copyright , I wouldn't call a 3.0T a 3.0Toy... it has a decent displacement to start with. 1.5-2.0Toy in heavy vehicles is another story... I don't think that you would be as happy with a 2.0T 320HP replacing your 3.0T. Sound would be an obvious drawback, want it or not.

BEAR-AvHistory

For once I would agree with you, but at @ 75 I have an outliers' view of the car world. Fortunately I was able to infect my kids with the same gene set.

I will also have to admit I do have/had factory performance mufflers on all 5 cars that fit the "sport" definition. I do like the sound of a lightly muffled engine running up through the gears.

That all said higher powered 4T's are a major force in the mass market & a 2.5T is a very good platform for some nice performance engines. The 1.5T & 2T do make much stronger grocery getters than what was available out of the V8 segment from the mid 1970's up to through the turn of the century.

iforyou

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If you look at the C/D test sheet of the 330i, it has a note saying that brake torquing the 330i is very helpful in getting fast time by introducing some degree of wheel spin. I think that's why its 0-60mph of 5.4s is so much better than the 5-60mph time of 6.7s. With brake torquing, turbo boost would be built into the system and once you release that brake pedal, you can easily light up those rear tires. In the 5-60mph and without brake torquing, you probably can't get enough torque to light up those tires and hence a slower time.

The the TLX, because it has crappy tires and FWD, you are gonna light up the front tires whether you brake torque or not, so its 0-60mph and 5-60mph times are almost identical.

In short, if you do it right in the 330i, you will smoke the TLX FWD V6 all the way to the 1/4 mile mark. Otherwise, the TLX would pull away.

a35tl

2018 Honda Accord top trim has a 2.0 T engine producing 252hp. Coupe is dead. 1.5T engine rated at 192 hp. Certain trim levels get HUD.

pyrodan007

The new Accord has a heads up display, what the hell Acura!?! Specs are more related to Audi than Acura (252 HP turbo engine). The only thing missing is AWD and Acura would be dead.

TacoBello

There are rumors that Honda killed the Accord Coupe, because they are bringing back the Prelude. I've even heard rumors of it being RWD. Time will tell if this is true.

TacoBello

2.0T specs: 252hp and 273lbft of torque. Those numbers are a bit disappointing, though. Torque is good, but hp is a bit low. I'm surprised Honda chose to gap themselves that much, from the Camry's 305hp 3.5L engine, and similar torque, if I'm not mistaken.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Tech changes pretty fast these days. A new generation Accord is going to leapfrog ahead of the current gen Acura and when the next gen TLX rolls out in a few years it will leapfrog ahead of the Accord etc etc etc.

Frankly I'm disappointed in the new Accord - If I wanted a car that looks like a Hyundai Sonata I'd have one already...

quantum7

A Prelude return would be awesome! Of course I will probably be 90 by the time that happens.

cu2wagon

Will it be able to travel through time as well?

justnspace

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that's gold!!




honda/acura

pyrodan007

You should tell this to Acura, they are always behind what people want. People have been screaming at Acura for this feature, yet Honda gives it to the mainstream folks who probably don't even care about it. It's one thing if the Accord already had it, but another to just inject it as a feature when the Accord's luxury version never had it. Don't even mention the RLX, it's dead ....

whiteGSR

if anything, it just means that future Acuras will have HUD.

TacoBello

Youre right, driving a generic looking appliance car is so much better.

TacoBello

Sometimes I really wonder about what you say. Honda is doing better than it ever has. Seems like Acura is starting to trend in the right direction also.

TacoBello

thanks for contributing nothing to yet another thread.

I found this: 2018 Honda Prelude Changes Price Specs Release Date Concept

theres also this article. Half of it is a copy of the above. Half of it is a bit different: http://newhondareviews.com/2016/09/0...honda-prelude/

it doesnt mention much about the drivetrain, save for their "maybe" being an AWD version. I believe it was someone from ToV who mentioned the possibility of RWD... the same person who's been more right than wrong on future Honda models, over the last number of years. Maybe it is just a pipe dream. Either way, time will tell- and it doesn't seem to be that far away. The article mentions the prelude coming out in late 2017 or early 2018.

Im guessing it is built on the accord platform, hence why they killed the accord coupe off. The "RWD proportions" of the new accord sedan may be hinting at the prelude to come.

justnspace

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justn jest.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I'm not disparaging the Sonata (although I'm not a fan) - I'm claiming the ALL NEW ACCORD looks almost exactly like it. Props to Hyundai though - at least the Sonata grill looks 50 times better than the new Accord grill..

cu2wagon

You're welcome.

But excuse me for being exteeeeeeeeeemly sceptical by these totally left field "rumors". V6 twin turbo when everything else is downsizing engines? Seems to be counter-intuitive. RWD when everything else in the HondAcura stable is FWD or FWD based AWD? Not sure what planet that makes sense on. Especially for a coupe that was killed off in favor of model consolidation 15 years ago? Seems pretty iffy to go back to split lines especially for a mid-level coupe. Unless you're thinking "new prelude" would be s2k v2. But that seems goofy to me. Why bring back an old model plate AND change drive layouts when there is a perfectly good READ model name that could be reinvigorated.

But what do I know?

That picture was my feeling to yet another outlandish sounding rumor. If any of them actually come to fruition, remind me and I'll offer you a giant apology in front of everyone.

Love,
cul0

iforyou

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On paper it's disappointment as that's like 50hp down on the camry. But I'm interested to see how much power it actually puts down to the wheels. The Audi A4 2.0T with those hp and torque figures are more or less as fast as a V6 Camry.

Saintor

.... because of transmission.

xedap1998

6.3 to 6.5 0-60. The same engine and 8 speed tranny seem to slow down whatever car they go into..i think it programmed to save gas. Same for the highlander. More hps and more gears yet slower 0-60

the accord torque max out between 1500-4000. That is good for daily driving and very low forst gear

The 2.0t will get to 60 at 5.7 second

https://youtu.be/kdhCCz5z0Ww

iforyou

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That's only one factor.

A4 Pros:

• DCT
• AWD

Accord 2.0T Pros:

• ~300lb less weight
• No AWD drivetrain loss
• 3 more gears to work with

My guess is that the Accord will do 0-60mph in mid 5's and 1/4 mile around 14s at about 100mph.

There's a test already on the camry, or is that a guess?

svtmike

I would be surprised if it can get the traction with FWD to pull off those standing stop numbers.

For sure it should be a nice car to drive.

xedap1998

i saw it on one of the review video but cant remember which one. But seem like that engine and tranny slow down whever car it goes to. Maybe it has to shift another gear compare to the 6..

https://youtu.be/EVPZanjsow4

found it

rocket_pup

With Honda 4 banger output approaching small V6 power, there would be virtually no difference in performance and high fuel economy. I personally don't like how I4's sound, but even that can be tuned at the exhaust.

iforyou

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C/D got 5.5s in the 9g Accord V6 6AT:
2013 Honda Accord EX-L V-6 Coupe Automatic Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

I'd think the new Accord can at least do the same.

That's weird because IIRC, A4 2.0T 8AT also requires 3rd gear to get 60mph.

IMO, I'd wait for Car and driver figures before saying the Camry is slow.

xedap1998

Toyota have become korean and chinese number. Looks good on paper but in real life it doesnt perform
https://www.google.com/amp/www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/highlander/2017/2017-toyota-highlander-se-awd-first-test/amp/

2017 highlander is same car as 2015 with 25 hps, 15 lbs feet of torque and 8 speed vs 6 but slower

iforyou

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I also notice the new IS350 is slower than the last gen IS350. But that's probably because the new IS is quite a bit heavier....but yaa....I do get what you mean, more hp but slower..lol

F23A4

So, with the lease on my MDX winding down in a few months, I reached out to my local dealer to give them a heads up that I will likely swap into an 18 version by year end.

In discussing this, I ventured off into TLX talk and inquired of my client rep whether or not he felt that the TLX may go in a similar direction to the 10G Accord. While he admitted that he doesn't know nor that anything official has come from corporate, he seems to think that the 2.0T could make its way into a base TLX with the higher model having a V6.

This got me thinking (or maybe fantasizing), it would be a pleasant surprise if we saw both the 2.0T and maybe a 3.5TT (or SH) motor available in the 2G TLX. But honestly, if Honda's pattern with the 1G TLX is any indicator then I fully expect to see a 1.5T (maybe tuned to 225hp) and a 2.0T (maybe with a similar tune to the CTR) in the 2G TLX.

kurtatx

I'm pleased with that. My A4 gets almost exactly that. Given I get power to the rear wheels, though.

Saintor

*All good* ... until you realize that it sounds like a $15K econobox.

kurtatx

Except they sound pretty great. The A4 growls with that DCT.
Give me that over an anemic v6