pyrodan007

^^About freakin time! Now merge that with the DCT + SH-AWD (none of the Civic Type R stuff), slap-on a A-spec V 2.0 badge and call it a day. No need to re-engineer the TLX with hybrid, make it happen soon. Then I see no problem justifying a slightly higher price, not just for cosmetics and shocks.

The Type-S will be the V6 turbo, closer to the big boys.

cu2wagon

Where do you guys keep coming up with a V6 turbo?

TacoBello

To be honest, nowhere concretely.

Nexx mentioned he had lunch with Jon Ikeda and about a dozen other people and he enquired about the Type S and whether it was coming back. Ikeda was tight lipped, but suggested that dropping in the 2.0T from the CTR wasn't enough to justify the Type S badge in today's market, and would need to be much more substantial to justify the badge. I believe he did hint at it coming back, eventually.

feel free to interpret that anyway you'd like. The 2.0T is one of the most powerful engines Honda currently has, save for the 3.5L in the RLX which puts out a bit more power. To me, it seems if the 2.0T won't make the cut, neither will the RLX V6. It seems Acura could have already dropped the 2.0T in and potentially added the sport hybrid tech to it, assuming there is room to do so, but if that setup isn't coming out for the 1G TLX, I don't know if they're doing themselves many favors by waiting until the 2G to drop in what they already potentially could.

That was my only thinking that they would turn to a V6T. A small one. Maybe 3.0L. They could then, in terms of power, hang with the Audi S4, Lincoln MKZ, Inifiniti RS400. In my mind, the TLX would then be directly competing against the RS400 and MKZ, not so much the S4, which seems right where they should be shooting for. Hell, they could potentially even pinch a few S4 buyers, by offering a value proposition against it.

I believe the S4 makes something like 354hp and 369lbft of torque, out of a 3.0L V6T. Honda could easily compete with that. I think they'd be behind on interior materials, etc., but really, if you offered a Type S sedan with a V6T and Sh-AWD, that would be a great value alternative to the S4.

it really doesn't seem that far fetched. Especially, since Honda is officially getting fully onboard with the turbo technology.

TacoBello

Now, my first instinct was to doubt Nexx, but, he's been more right than I have regarding Acura's future, so I've decided to run with it.

HondaGuy347

I don't plan on buying a FWD vehicle again, so it isn't relevant to my interests. In a SH-AWD application, I'd take a look.

justnspace

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what an awesome video and cant wait for turbos!!

TacoBello

Hell. Yeah.

BC01191980

Thread should be closed
most cars are going turbo
v6 turbo are in sportier versions of German cars

justnspace

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i'm super fucking jelly the new accord has more downlow power!
i dont want them on the road any more...they're going to pull on me....

Saintor

Well did I hallucinate or you wrote elsewhere that you would rather buy a Camry 3.5L?

TacoBello

I retracted my original statement, after some careful consideration.

TacoBello

I know you're not really in the market for a new car, but, given the price point of the Accord and seeing as it apparently will be available with a 6MT (no LSD though ), it might not be a bad little upgrade. Wait until the new ones are 2 years old- get a great deal, a pretty much solid new car with warranty still, and I'm sure there are some parts that could carry over from your TL, like your TE37s.

TacoBello

Just remove the LSD from your TL transmission and drop it into the Accord

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Has this been confirmed - the next gen Accord is keeping the 6MT?

horseshoez

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Per the Honda press release I read a few days ago, there will be three drivetrain setups:

1. Hybrid
2. 1.5 liter turbo with either a 10-Speed automatic or a 6-Speed manual
3. 2.0 liter turbo with either a 10-Speed automatic or a 6-Speed manual

I suppose that technically makes five drivetrain setups, but hey, if three pedals are being offered under the dash, I don't care how they count them.

cu2wagon

Hmm... Do we bet that the 2.0T with the 6MT will not be available with Leather or sunroof?

horseshoez

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Sunroof I could care less about, but no leather? That would be a deal breaker.

Edit: then again, maybe not; many aftermarket leather treatments are superior to factory leather.

justnspace

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the only thing that is preventing me is the way my bank account is set up. LOL
I dont think I will ever finance a car again, which means old cars that I can pay in cash with. Keeping the TL this long proves that I can handle an older "needy" car. the CEL popped up again, but I dont mind, I can fix it.

with that being said; i'd keep the TL and get an SUV/CUV type thing. then turbo the TL. and then turbo the SUV/CUV type thing. and the turbocharge my house.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

No more CVT??? Interesting - they have a fair amount invested in it - I thought for sure it had another generation left in it.

Anyways - good news on the 6MT.

horseshoez

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Compared to the CVT, I'd SWAG the 10-Speed unit will be able to deal with more power while at the same time returning better fuel economy. That said, no transmission setup without three pedals under the dash need apply for a slot in my garage.

TacoBello

The 2.0T is replacing the V6, which, if I'm not mistaken, was only available on the higher trim Accords. The word is out on whether you will be able to get a loaded accord with a 6mt (doubtful), but I'm sure you can get it pretty nicely appointed.

TacoBello

you know... Banking stuff can always be changed. Just saying.

I Think it's prudent to save lots and have healthy accounts and investments... But don't become a slave to it. Eventually you get to the point where you have shit tons of money but mentally you can never spend it, because of how engrained it is in your head to save.

Don't take it to the grave with you. It will do you no good in the afterlife. A 2 year old, 25k accord won't break you.

justnspace

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but you're thinking small potatoes.
an Accord!??!?!?
let's go for something more exciting okay!?

911 Turbo.
BMW 1M's and M2's!
those are just the ones on the top of my head. there are SO many exciting vehicles on the used market right now

and with Sub-prime auto loans and new cars not doing that well in 2017....I'm expecting used car pricing to crater!!! whenever I am in the market, which isnt for the next 5 years or so

TacoBello

Fair enough. I was thinking more in respect of keeping to a minimal budget. Nothing wrong with look at a Porsche, or M cars, but ultimately, even with a crash in the market, they will likely still sell for a good chunk of change.

hondu

All of their CVT capacity could be going to other models possibly?

justnspace

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car guy at heart. to get the cool cars, you need a fat stack! thus keeping the TL as long as possible. which can easily be another 5-10 years, all the while stacking cash, player!

cu2wagon

Maybe to the TLX with the twin turbo V6?

TacoBello

I wonder if Honda fears the long term reliability of the CVT. I know it's comparing apples to oranges, but a friend of mine working at a Nissan dealership says they have on average 2 vehicles a day come in with shot CVT transmissions.

Ive heard a number of people suggest that CVTs are a bit concerning when it comes to long term ownership. No idea how true it is. I wouldn't buy one even if they were bullet proof.

horseshoez

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Wurd!

justnspace

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plus, you know this is V-zine anyway!
let me get into a CTS-V.

Saintor

Direct ignition? ... must be direct injection. Direct ignition has been around for a while. Accord V6 didn't have direction, but many others in the family did.

If there is one technological wonder in the video, that's the transmission. We don't know much about the 2.0T, in the video it was just typical promotional stuff with no much specifics.

horseshoez

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If you watched the video you can clearly see the injector spraying fuel directly into the combustion chamber. As for the transmission being a technological wonder, well, I suppose you can call it that; to me at least, all it looks like is a reworked Chrysler/ZF 9-Speed with an additional set of planetary gears. Thing is, the Chrysler/ZF unit results in nine forward gears plus reverse out of only three planetary gear sets; that Honda is only managing ten forward gears out of four planetary gear sets isn't terribly impressive.

justnspace

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diagrams that show each inner workings is not promotional material

Saintor

That's direct injection,not direct ignition (unless there is no spark plugs). Accord 4-cyl. have since 2013. Am I missing something?

TacoBello

Once again you've added zero value to the discussion. Shame!

horseshoez

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Are you missing something? Clearly. What that might be I cannot speculate on.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

The CR-V has it - in fact my wife has a 2016 with the CVT and it's actually pretty decent. Nothing sporty about it (it's a CR-V anyways) but you don't know it's a CVT unless you mash it.

I may drive an Accord just to see what the 10 speed feels like.

Saintor

Most useless reply of the day.

TacoBello

I dunno, I'd say this one was worse:

CheeseyPoofs McNut

This has been an enjoyable (if mostly off-topic) thread - no need to ruin it now with personal attacks.