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I think the fit and finish of the Acura will be a step above the Ford, but the AWD sport is a really competent vehicle with a solid AWD system.
Not sure I agree on the fit and finish statement. Ford has stepped up quite a bit and the fusion has always been one of the nicer vehicles in the class. I didn't know ford put in their version of SH-AWD until you mentioned it, that is an excellent touch. I'm betting a nice tune would work magic on that already impressive powertrain. 5.3s stock 0-60 time, I bet it could be paired down to sub 5 easily.
Just based on exterior looks, I much prefer the 2018 TLX over the Fusion- I really don't like the current Fusion's tail lights. It is a nice car though, and I would give it a solid look if I was in the market for another sedan. The Acura is more expensive I'm betting, but the price might be easily justifiable.
If my budget for a new car was 40-45k, I'd look at everything in the range of 30-50k, just to be sure I'm making the right decision. Sometimes it makes sense to splurge those few thousand more, on a pricier car. Sometimes it makes sense to pinch pennies.
Not sure I agree on the fit and finish statement. Ford has stepped up quite a bit and the fusion has always been one of the nicer vehicles in the class. I didn't know ford put in their version of SH-AWD until you mentioned it, that is an excellent touch. I'm betting a nice tune would work magic on that already impressive powertrain. 5.3s stock 0-60 time, I bet it could be paired down to sub 5 easily.
100% guarantee you the fit and finish of the TLX is far superior to the Fusion. Ford stepped it up but stepping it up from complete garbage to something acceptable is more of what they have done.
This is an inefficient and porky vehicle - typical Ford style.
4123lbs
EPA 17mpg city.
Wrong.
Just checked the ford website and the heaviest Fusion is 3950lbs.
Also, it really depends which engine you choose, as they have much better fuel economy, however, the SPORT, being tuned for SPORT, uses more gasoline, because it's made to be SPORTY and has more power. While yes, the SPORT model gets 17mpg, the other variants get much better fuel economy.
That being said, if you want 325hp and more importantly, 350lbft of torque, I'm guessing you don't overly care about fuel economy. If you do care about fuel economy, you can get the model that gets 43mpg in the city, if that's your thing. Or the battery powered one that gets 104mpg in the city. Lets see Acura match those numbers.
Just checked the ford website and the heaviest Fusion is 3950lbs.
Also, it really depends which engine you choose, as they have much better fuel economy, however, the SPORT, being tuned for SPORT, uses more gasoline, because it's made to be SPORTY and has more power. While yes, the SPORT model gets 17mpg, the other variants get much better fuel economy.
That being said, if you want 325hp and more importantly, 350lbft of torque, I'm guessing you don't overly care about fuel economy. If you do care about fuel economy, you can get the model that gets 43mpg in the city, if that's your thing. Or the battery powered one that gets 104mpg in the city. Lets see Acura match those numbers.
Just checked the ford website and the heaviest Fusion is 3950lbs.
Also, it really depends which engine you choose, as they have much better fuel economy, however, the SPORT, being tuned for SPORT, uses more gasoline, because it's made to be SPORTY and has more power. While yes, the SPORT model gets 17mpg, the other variants get much better fuel economy.
That being said, if you want 325hp and more importantly, 350lbft of torque, I'm guessing you don't overly care about fuel economy. If you do care about fuel economy, you can get the model that gets 43mpg in the city, if that's your thing. Or the battery powered one that gets 104mpg in the city. Lets see Acura match those numbers.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
I just spent 6!days and 1600 miles in a 17 Expedition with the 3.5L twin turbo v6. 365hp in a large SUV. Performed well and avg 19.1 mpg. Included long stretches in mountains and flat.
Funny, that table I posted is from Motor Trend also.
According to the ford website, only the Battery powered options get that heavy and the Sport is still around 3950lbs. Unless, of course, Ford is lying.
The MT test has a s**t load of astricks playing games with the numbers *93 octane 325 rating *91 octane the 5.3 13.9 Quarter mile *87 Octane 17MPG.
aA test with all numbers on 93 NC premium would be nice.
100% guarantee you the fit and finish of the TLX is far superior to the Fusion. Ford stepped it up but stepping it up from complete garbage to something acceptable is more of what they have done.
Right, so you can compromise the interior quality a bit, for more power, apparently a good AWD system, and a lower overall price.
I'm guessing this argument is futile as there will be plenty of people choosing either. Which one more? Well, we will never get that data, as we are only comparing the turbo fusion and the v6 TLX. So uh... on to the next thread?
Right, so you can compromise the interior quality a bit, for more power, apparently a good AWD system, and a lower overall price.
I'm guessing this argument is futile as there will be plenty of people choosing either. Which one more? Well, we will never get that data, as we are only comparing the turbo fusion and the v6 TLX. So uh... on to the next thread?
I am a bit confused. What are you referring to in that first sentence?
I'm talking about the Fusion. I'm not familiar with their AWD drive system- just something I heard here. Thats why I predicated my statement with "apparently", because it's something I wasn't aware of. I will be looking into it when I have some spare time though- ultimately I'd like to form my own decision on it.
I would have never dreamed of the day where a company like Ford would sell twin turbo V6 engines, like they're no big deal. I've got mad respect for them these days- something I would've laughed at myself for saying, not even 15 years ago.
I'm talking about the Fusion. I'm not familiar with their AWD drive system- just something I heard here. Thats why I predicated my statement with "apparently", because it's something I wasn't aware of. I will be looking into it when I have some spare time though- ultimately I'd like to form my own decision on it.
I would have never dreamed of the day where a company like Ford would sell twin turbo V6 engines, like they're no big deal. I've got mad respect for them these days- something I would've laughed at myself for saying, not even 15 years ago.
Sorry I wasn't sure who you were addressing so I was confused as to what you were talking about lol. I now realize you were addressing the OP about the fusion lmao. If I was in the market for a sedan right now I would really be giving it a serious look.
I'm not sure if this means mainstream brands have caught up to Acura or if Acura has fallen down far enough to the point where I'm seeing threads daily about the TLX vs the Fusion or Kia Stinger or Accord. Never thought I would see the day where Acura's were cross shopped like that.
Just curious, has anyone test driven or done some research into the Ford Fusion Sport...
2.7L V-6 Twin Turbo, 325HP, AWD.
Ford and Acura are incomparable . Ford is way superior man...Ford competes with Porsche nowadays and you are comparing it to Acura. Please someone close the thread and OP should go to Porsche forum and compare Fusion with Panamera
I strongly shopped the 17 Fusion Sport to replace my 11 Fusion Sport. I pretty much assumed it would be my value buy. Great power and nice ride. But in the end I felt the interior was not as nice and I could not tolerate the instrument panel. Seriously a tiny tach to go with 325hp???!!!
The tech was a little better. That's what sent me back to the TLX for another look. Finding the improved incentives I got the TLX SH-AWD Advance for less than the loaded fusion and I love the gauges in this car. Quiet, smooth, powerful, premium. Happy man!
The got the same 5-60mph in 5.8s as the TLX V6 FWD. Not that matters much, but oddly the Acura was still quicker in both 0-100 0-130. They also reported a titan-esque 4127lbs.
The got the same 5-60mph in 5.8s as the TLX V6 FWD. Not that matters much, but oddly the Acura was still quicker in both 0-100 0-130. They also reported a titan-esque 4127lbs.
Interesting details in the narrative. It does not have "summer" tires.:
"Instead, it arrived wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric all-season rubber. It performed admirably, certainly in acceleration tests, garnering a 5.1-second zero-to-60-mph time. And it ran the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 101 mph. That’s at least a half-second fleeter, in either measure, than the quickest V-6–powered competitors. So there’s no doubt which family hauler is the hauling-est on the market"
Will agree its a fatty if the weight holds up. Wonder if the did the tests on 91 like MT.
So I went out and test drive one yesterday. Fully loaded with all safety and technology packages it stickers at just over 42k. Base Sport can be had for just around 33k.
Initial impressions:
Interior. Not in same category as the TLX. Hard cheap surfaces on dash. Hated the transmission shifter dial. Seats were nowhere near as comfortable.
Driving:
Excellent power from the 2.7L V6. The AWD system gave the car tight precise handling on the canyon roads. Car felt extremely tight and solid. If there's one thing about my TLX that I don't like 2 years in, it's the less than solid feel it has.
Do I think the Fusion will go for 10+ years or 200k+ miles? Eh.
So I went out and test drive one yesterday. Fully loaded with all safety and technology packages it stickers at just over 42k. Base Sport can be had for just around 33k.
Initial impressions:
Interior. Not in same category as the TLX. Hard cheap surfaces on dash. Hated the transmission shifter dial. Seats were nowhere near as comfortable.
Driving:
Excellent power from the 2.7L V6. The AWD system gave the car tight precise handling on the canyon roads. Car felt extremely tight and solid. If there's one thing about my TLX that I don't like 2 years in, it's the less than solid feel it has.
Like F30 at least pre-LCI , I always felt that TLX handled like 8/10, it is precise but a bit too much bouncing when provoked. Ok, but not a champ like my custom E90 was. One big difference is the height of the tires. The Fusion has 235/40 and The TLX has 225/50, which is about 20% higher. No doubt that the TLX could benefit from from upgrading to 225/45/19 that you can now have on all 2018 trims. I tried to get them from Acura in 2015 but it was like a $2K option, I passed this time.
You keep referencing this car but seem to never mention what version it was. I know you don't like turbos that leaves the 335 out. So for a point of reference it would be nice to know what E90 version you are comparing the TLX with. My E92 was a 335is.
I would think depending on engine your TLX should feel fast because most of the 2007 N/A's were not very powerful except for the 330 which is still down about 30BHP to the Acura.
Like F30 at least pre-LCI , I always felt that TLX handled like 8/10, it is precise but a bit too much bouncing when provoked. Ok, but not a champ like my custom E90 was. One big difference is the height of the tires. The Fusion has 235/40 and The TLX has 225/50, which is about 20% higher. No doubt that the TLX could benefit from from upgrading to 225/45/19 that you can now have on all 2018 trims. I tried to get them from Acura in 2015 but it was like a $2K option, I passed this time.
1. $2000 for a set of 19" OEM wheels, in Canada, is not a bad price. At all.
2. What do you mean the TLX can benefit from the 19" wheels? In what way? If you mean looks, I agree. If you mean performance, yeah, no.
Agree 19's can be tricky. They generally are the best for looks with low profile tires but without very careful suspension calibration they can be rough riding especially with a performance oriented suspension (A-Spec) . 18's a very good around compromise size.
I got 19's on the 440 but only because it has the adaptable suspension which can be softened up on bad roads. At that I also have the non run flat track package Michelin PSS tires which have more compliant sidewalls The 135i has 18 RFT.
Getting full enjoyment with your car can in many cases be reduced to tire choice even if you need to swap out the OEM rubber to get the ride you want.
1. $2000 for a set of 19" OEM wheels, in Canada, is not a bad price. At all.
2. What do you mean the TLX can benefit from the 19" wheels? In what way? If you mean looks, I agree. If you mean performance, yeah, no.
I wrote it; a difference of about 20% in tire height. It definitely makes a significant impact of both steering accuracy under stress and general stability. I would agree with you if the TLX 18" didn't have so much a high tire wall to start with - 225/50 and possibly a relative soft tire chosen for the ride.
100% guarantee you the fit and finish of the TLX is far superior to the Fusion. Ford stepped it up but stepping it up from complete garbage to something acceptable is more of what they have done.
I'd also bet the TLX has better fit and finish than the Ford, but even so, Ford's progress in this respect has been dramatic. I have my dad's old 2010 Fusion alongside my 2010 TSX, and while the Fusion is decent, the TSX is far superior in most ways, including overall solidity. It's engineered and built to a higher standard, no question. And in the 1.5 years I've had the Fusion, it's had more trouble than my TSX has in 7.5 years -- and the TSX has 40,000 more miles!
But the newer Fords are much better. I've driven a new Fusion, a few Focus STs, recent Escapes, a new Mustang, and my dad's C-Max, and they're all more solid, composed, and refined than my 2010 Fusion. The Escape drives incredibly well for a CUV. Ford still hasn't nailed the panel fitment thing (on some models anyway) and I'd be concerned about reliability on a new model, but they're excellent cars, and I'd buy one if it fit my needs/wants.
And while some companies have nearly abandoned enthusiasts, Ford makes the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, Focus RS, Fusion Sport, Mustang, and the GT supercar. That's a pretty nice lineup of performance cars, especially considering the breadth of the Mustang range.
I'm pretty sure I'd take a TLX over the Fusion Sport, but major props to Ford for unleashing a twin turbo, 300+ hp, AWD beast in the family sedan class.
I wrote it; a difference of about 20% in tire height. It definitely makes a significant impact of both steering accuracy under stress and general stability. I would agree with you if the TLX 18" didn't have so much a high tire wall to start with - 225/50 and possibly a relative soft tire chosen for the ride.
acceleration and braking are also compromised with bigger wheels.
Not sure I agree on the fit and finish statement. Ford has stepped up quite a bit and the fusion has always been one of the nicer vehicles in the class. I didn't know ford put in their version of SH-AWD until you mentioned it, that is an excellent touch. I'm betting a nice tune would work magic on that already impressive powertrain. 5.3s stock 0-60 time, I bet it could be paired down to sub 5 easily.
Hmm, I don't think the Fusion Sport has any active torque vectoring AWD system like the SH-AWD or one found in the Focus RS. It's just a bread and butter AWD system that can send up to 50% of torque to the rear wheels when needed. It doesn't aid handling. Perhaps it has brake based torque vectoring but that's far from a system found in the Focus RS or SH-AWD.
Originally Posted by Nexx
100% guarantee you the fit and finish of the TLX is far superior to the Fusion. Ford stepped it up but stepping it up from complete garbage to something acceptable is more of what they have done.
I rented a Fusion before a couple years ago. It's decent inside but not quite at the Accord level. And obviously the Accord is below the level of the TLX.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
Funny, that table I posted is from Motor Trend also.
According to the ford website, only the Battery powered options get that heavy and the Sport is still around 3950lbs. Unless, of course, Ford is lying.
Haha you already figured it out, yup, it's a 4100lb+ car!
Originally Posted by justnspace
if the turbos are anything like their SUV's counterparts, trying to race one.
300 to the wheels compared to our measly 250whp
Perhaps with a tune, it will be a force to be reckoned with. But in stock form, its 1/4 mile trap speed is exactly the same as the TLX AWD. Not that it matters in the real world, but they are pretty much dead even for 0-120mph. These two figures along with a few others suggest that from a roll, the Fusion only has a slight edge. I would expect the difference to be far greater given the Fusion sport has 113lbft extra torque and 35hp more. From a standing still, the torque really helps the fusion off the line though.
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Interesting details in the narrative. It does not have "summer" tires.:
"Instead, it arrived wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric all-season rubber. It performed admirably, certainly in acceleration tests, garnering a 5.1-second zero-to-60-mph time. And it ran the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 101 mph. That’s at least a half-second fleeter, in either measure, than the quickest V-6–powered competitors. So there’s no doubt which family hauler is the hauling-est on the market"
Will agree its a fatty if the weight holds up. Wonder if the did the tests on 91 like MT.
The acceleration figures are a bit slower in this model with the performance tires. But it pulls higher g's.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
1. $2000 for a set of 19" OEM wheels, in Canada, is not a bad price. At all.
2. What do you mean the TLX can benefit from the 19" wheels? In what way? If you mean looks, I agree. If you mean performance, yeah, no.
I think he has a typo. The 19" wheels alone might not make much of a difference other than the lower profile. The difference is that the tires are no longer the shxtty Goodyear. They now have nicer MXM4 that are also a bit wider at 245. That in theory should help with handling a bit.
I spent a LOT of time in the 2017 sport thinking that would be my next car, and there is no comparing the feel, fit and quality of the interior. And the instrument panel looks cheap and what!!! A 2 in digital tach. Dual screen infotainment is way better than a split screen 8 in.
05-19-2017, 04:08 PM
trying to race one. 
