pyrodan007

Pardon format, was nice before I submitted lol

...................Dec 16 / Dec 15 / % Chg / Total 16 / Total 15 / % Chg.
Acura Total ..17,148 / 16,823 / 5.7% / 161,360 / 177,165 / -8.6%
RLX/RL ......192 / 159 / 25.2% / 1,478 / 2,195 / -32.4%
TLX ...........3,621 / 3,508 / 7.0% / 37,156 / 47,080 / -20.8%
MDX .........6,243 / 6,254 / 3.5% / 55,495 / 58,208 / -4.4%

"Despite declining luxury sedan sales in the U.S., TLX sales were up and RLX made a notable gain in December."
“With Acura trucks leading the way and the TLX performing strongly in a challenging market for sedans, we were able to finish our 30th anniversary year on a strong note,” said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of the Acura division. “We’re excited to carry this momentum, with a strong future vision for Acura, into the new year.”

So it seems that to Acura they are doing just fine. They must be f***ed in the head since the MDX sales went DOWN by 4.4% yearly in a segment doing extremely well.

F23A4

The MDX was still transitioning between the 3G and 3.5G so, the drop in sales is not surprising.

weather

I have just discovered that Acura is better at designing explanation for their numbers than designing cars - Acura is not the only one but why do car execs always try and put a positive spin on their numbers rather than stating the facts. Just post the numbers and let consumers interpret what they mean

steve_97060

look at the bright side, it gives all of the non stop complainers more fodder for their non stop complaining..

ggesq

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^

I'm interested to see sales numbers from competitors. RDX had a good month relatively speaking.

Rocketsfan

As much as I despise Acura at the moment, let's be realistic, that's not just Acura or car execs. Every industry explains away drops in sales during earnings calls (as an example). My favorite is when retailers always blame the weather (not you -- the real weather) for their sales woe when their competitors' sales didn't suffer anywhere near as much. Guess the weather didn't affect them as much.

Tony Pac

Thanks for the numbers...

Although Acura had a fantastic December, but their 2016 sales numbers are disappointing. I hope 2017 continues with similar numbers as December 2016 If they do, their total numbers will go over 200K.

Saintor

It is even worse for the best-seller. -22% and -26% for the BMW 3/4
BMW Group U.S. Reports December and 2016 Sales | Company Spotlight

Mr Hyde

LOL.

Sedan sales are taking a tumble, although the revamped A4 is doing well. I think Audi as a whole is doing pretty well excluding the diesel line-up.

IntegraVT

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Audi did very well...

https://www.audiusa.com/newsroom/new...record-in-2016

A4 +26.4% +19.6% YtD

The Q7 seems to have found a niche.

hddnav

Can't agree more! Especially the devious number play with the 25% RLX increase from 150 to 200 cars. Reeks of scummy salesman talk.

pyrodan007

If you build them mighty fine, people will come. Just sayin', but what do I know... I ain't nothing but a complainer lol

Don1

Rather disappointing sales in Dec IMO. The year I bought my 2010 TL sales for TL and TSX combined were 7668. We seem to keep forgetting that the TLX is a combined design of the two prior models. Possibly Acura foresaw the shift to SUVs when making that decision but that didn't affect my decision to not buy a TLX nor an SUV.

BEAR-AvHistory

Was a bad year across the board, think the G50 was one of the few cars (just barely) that did not drop year to year. Brand wise MB beat BMW worldwide for #1 in sales against each other for the first time in a while. Also one of the few car companies to have a year to year sales increase in the US.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Nice to see a slight year-over-year uptick for December for the TLX - but still a disappointing year for the TLX without question.

TacoBello

OP is going way too hard with his disdain for Acura. We get it, he doesn't like it at all

That being said, he's only looking at a snippet of information, and yeah, it looks bad-

But as you suggested, many other manufacturers had slumping sales also. Looking at the big picture, many manufacturers weren't doing as hot as before.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Indeed: (RDX US Sales)

Dec 2015 = 4942
Dec 2016 = 5945

I'd say the RDX (which is due for a refresh) had a very good December. More evidence that SUV's are ruling the roost these days.

pyrodan007

I may exaggerate every once and a while. Will be nice to Acura next year as of February, promise

Position of luxury market sales with percentage +/- from last year (found online doing some searching):

1) Daimler, -0.8%
2) Lexus, -3.9%
3) BMW, -9.5%
4) Audi, +4.0%
5) Cadillac, -3.0%
6) Acura, -8.6%
7) Infiniti, +23.0%
8) Lincoln, +10.4%

Acura and BMW really had a bad year, the rest honestly not too bad.

weather

I agree, and I even acknowledged that Acura is not the only doing this in my post but funny and annoying at the same time - I almost enjoy reading the "spin" they put and I often myself saying, well isn't that a clever way of getting yourself out of a pickle! (lol) - I try and inspire myself from their statements because I often have to explain why my forecasts (weather) didn't work out. I often think that us, weathermen, are disliked as much as car salesmen

weather

pyrodan - Those are interesting numbers you published and I wish there was an unbiased way of publishing /interpreting the numbers but it so hard to measure the success of a vehicle simply by their sales volume because while a vehicle sold is a vehicle sold, how much money did you have to give back (incentives) to the customers to get them to buy their cars - I mean if I have to give a person $1000.00 to come on a coffee date with me and I had 20 dates that month, am I truly better than last month when I only paid 100$ per coffee dates but only went on 10, or am I more of a stud than my friend who only went on 2 dates last month but those they paid him 10$ to have the opportunity to have coffee with him (lol)

If there was a way we could factor those numbers (incentive) into the equation, that might be more interesting - Like when we say the TLX did better this Dec than last year's, is it because there was better deals offered?

Rocketsfan

Percentages can lie, too. What if a company sucked last year and did "ok" or well this year in terms of sales? They could be up higher than the company that did well both years.

boe_d

They built a really unimpressive car with the TLX and put some effort into the RDX. I think it is like saying I brought cupcakes and cookies to a bake sale. The cupcakes fell on to the pavement frosting side down but I scraped some of the gravel off and foresaw an increase in cookie sales. For the MMC cupcakes I'm not going to change out the ones that got dropped - but I'll include sprinkles. I foresee the cookies still being a bigger seller.

pyrodan007

I was thinking about what you and Weather said about sales numbers. Vehicle numbers is a rather telling indicator that X sold this year versus Y sold last year. Giving sales as dollars would be interesting but extremely hard to compare due to models/inflation/options (example Ferrari vs Mazda lol). The percentage difference per year is extremely interesting since it shows if what the company did during the year improved business or made it worse. With Acura, it did not improve so something is clearly not working with their technique/product. Now if the president says all is good and we will carry on with MMC getting no major changes, well not too sure it'll be a better year. One thing is for sure, negative on top of negative is a sign of total failure.

Rocket_man

Here is an impressive sales number. In 2010 Audi had a total US sales of 101,629 and 14,333 in Canada. Now 6 years later they sold 210,213 in the US and 30,544 in Canada. Doubling sales in 6 years (5 years in the US). I guess I didn't really realize just how far they have come. Audi passed Acura in the US in 2014 and this year sold nearly 50,000 more cars in the US than Acura. Whatever they are doing is working,

frack

When is Acura going to correct the ILX debacle? I haven't seen any news on the 2018 model.
With all the success of the new Civic....i'm hoping Acura can capture some of that magic in the
next ILX generation.

Do any of you have hope for the future of the ILX in Acura's lineup?

BEAR-AvHistory

Noticed a lot more on the street here. suspect they are taking a bite out of the 3 series. That said the TL/TLX has pretty much dried up. Used to be a very common car in the 3G period, less so in the 4G, one across the street from me. TLX is very rare. SUV's are quite popular with mostly MDX versions. They have a sighting density approaching the 3G when it was hot.

boe_d

Waiting for someone to quote some irrelevant car comparison e.g. yeah but Lamborghini only sold x number in 2016 so the TLX is far more popular, or sure the Audi sold well during that time but Acura was in transition as John Smith who is a sales guy for Bubbas BBQ, Bait and Acura in Butte Montana was out for knee surgery... or Acura sold 7 more TLXs in December than November so things are turning around...

boe_d

I'd love to be excited about Acura sedans like I was when the 3G was launched.

Perhaps if Acura seriously overhauls the mmc - improves the interior tech and quality, makes the front end more of smooth intersecting lines -e.g. designed from scratch, not forcing parts together, and offers some more choices such as a hybrid for mpg, a 4cyl and a sports AWD model they might just get those of us who don't want to give up on acura to come back to praising them again. I had an engineer professor ages ago that would seriously deduct from your assignment if he could tell where you moved the French curve. That is one of the things Acura needs to work on - subtlety .

weather

^^ I agree - Seeing the new Camry got me super excited as with the new Kia.

BEAR-AvHistory

Even the Buick with 330hp twin turbo. The segment is going to get very hot cars & very hot competitive in the near future with a 330/345hp twin turbo available across the board. Power levels are coming up to challenge the upper level 3 series, Audi A4 & MB C..

Saintor

Well I'll say it: today Toyota made my day.

They ignored that complete 4-cyl. turbo madness and introduced a brand new NA V6 3.5 with the technology equivalent of sky-activ. That's A-WE-SO-ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully Honda took this route as well for 2018, because decisions like this were made in 2014-2015. Styling is not bad, but I am not a Camry buyer. We'll see how they do with the ES but given the horrendous recent Lexi, no thanks.

boe_d

I will admit I never thought growing up that I'd see a Buick that I thought would be stylish or exciting but the Avista shows that it IS possible for a company to turn things around. So there is still hope Acura could turn things around if they hired the right person or fired the right person.

pyrodan007

I must say that I'm very excited for this year's car inventory across all brands! It seems many companies have placed their bets on sport/performance criteria. Very refreshing to see some additional design cues in lower priced gear instead of the usual S4/M/AMG models. Waiting impatiently for Acura's response!!!

steve_97060

Our first Acura was a 2001 CL, followed by my still current 2005 TL. I thought about the Gen 4 but I am one of the many who hated the front end and still enjoyed my 05 so I figured I would wait for the eventual Gen 5. After watching the reveal for it I had high expectations, but after finally getting to see one and test drive it I was not impressed enough to leave my trusty 05 and buy one. I would like to replace my TL and am hoping that the MMC will give me a reason to finally make the upgrade to the TLX. I would like to stay with Acura but I am getting concerned that I may have to go elsewhere.

KeithL

Even Toyota gets it now, and the Kia Stinger, wow. Acura needs a leap frog move, which I doubt will happen. And both Toyota and Kia have superior navi infotainment systems. Acura needs the new Precision Cockpit and more sporty models sooner than later.

Saintor

You mean it like this?
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Notice how close the profile is, specially the windows area. You can always add big and bold wheels on the Acura.

BEAR-AvHistory

If Acura had actually ever built the red car IMHO they would have sold more cars. The prototype was a nicely balanced design that the production car did not follow through with.

Thing about comparing the Camry to the TLX is the Camry actually competes against the Accord. They both max out at about the same price. Interesting thing on both cars silhouettes is the both use BMW's Hofmeister Kink in the rear side windows its showing up on more & more cars..

quantum7

Remember the excitement that we all felt when the prototype was presented. And the TV spot with the monster roaming the city streets....growling...and actually going airborne....that kind of thrill................

pyrodan007

To this day I still don't understand what was wrong with the wheels. Unless they were made of carbon fiber or something, they were perfect for the car! So much better than the cheesy base version....
If that would have been the Type-S version, could easily had a few more sales per month. Acura management at it's finest!

KeithL

Notice how close the profile is, specially the windows area. You can always add big and bold wheels on the Acura. [/QUOTE]


Yes and then with Lexus' more aggressive looks the last few years. When Toyota starts making the Camry aggressive that tells you something.