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Why the Acura TLX is one of the best cars of 2017 - Business Insider

Interesting that the TLX a spec was given runner up by business insider. They aren't exactly known for car reviews but still interesting to see.

justnspace

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business insider has no business doing car reviews.
it's like consumer reports but way dumbed down, with most of the time getting facts wrong

pyrodan007

That's why. Best luxury sedan, maybe. Best car, no way in hell. Did they even touch the new Accord, cheaper and better?

thoiboi

I'm going to start reading Car & Driver for stock tips

TacoBello

isn't the accord being sold as a 2018 model, though? In such a case, it can't really be included for the 2017 awards. The Accord is just barely coming to market now, in November. the 2.0T won't even be arriving for several more weeks (if rumors are to be believed)

2012wagon

Congrats A spec

pyrodan007

In that case, Aspec can't be included as well since it too is a 2018 model. I believe it's the 2017 year (not model year) award.

GhostTL09

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The reviewer summed it up as a nice car. I would agree it's a nice car with good options and price for value.

BEAR-AvHistory

Hey, Congratulations to the TLX for so far beating put Ferrari. McLaren, Aston Martin, Porsche & all the riff-raff in Tier I for Car of The Year.

Honda430

For a bit of background follow this link.

Business Insider Car of the Year 2017 finalists: photos, details - Business Insider

AZuser

Figures. Same person who wrote this dumb review.

https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...sitive-962415/

Same reviewer who wrote:

"My TLX had a brilliant 3.5-liter V6 under the hood (Honda makes superb V6's) and all the go-fast upgrades that earned it the A-Spec designation."

and

"The A-Spec package adds some oomph to the regulation TLX. A 290-horsepower 3.5-liter V6 is under the hood, and it's fantastic."


When none of that is true. A-Spec doesn't have any go-fast upgrades and A-Spec doesn't add any oomph.

kurtatx

Classic review.

BEAR-AvHistory

Looks like a fast & furious go faster movie shift. In the next cut the supercharger belt will start spinning.

kurtatx

FYI: Second place? First loser

BEAR-AvHistory

No based on the other candidates its the participation award.

txl2017

It sounds like they come up with a shortlist of 15 "chosen from the more than five dozen we road test during the year.", and then select 5 runner-ups before eventually selecting one as "car of the year". A-spec is among the 5 runner-ups (so far 3 has been announced):

pyrodan007

Need to check the winner last year, for comparison's sake. The 2016 car of the year was the NSX, as if anyone can afford it .... yet they mention the Aspec as good value. The A4 was a runner up in 2016, should have won. Fantastic car, affordable and praticable.
If the TLX wins I call BS, 2018 Accord should have been in top 5.

txl2017

I suppose it's not meant to be a thorough review of all cars. The top 5 were selected from the "few dozens" they got the chance to test drive. The fact that A-spec is in the top 5 in itself is already an achievement. From my perspective, while I like TLX a lot, I think it's difficult to choose a "car of the year" or even "a few cars of the year" across all car types in any case. So, whoever loves TLX, continue loving it because - hey it's not just you, folks doing car reviews in BI do too! Those who don't, well no reason to change your opinions just because one magazine says it's a great car.

pyrodan007

I do agree with you that if it works it works for you. For the TLX to come out first, it has to outclass MANY good cars. Maybe their list was too small.

BEAR-AvHistory

I am sure there will be a run on the TLX by McLaren ex-owners who dumped their cars so they could get in on the fun.

svtmike

Ok, I read the review and now I feel dumber.

kurtatx

It's that kind of thrill

Honda430

The question is why all the hate. The folks at Business Insider liked the car. This is no isolated incident. Many other reviewers have also liked the car. Why should anyone use a positive review as a point of derision? It's as if you believe your opinion is the only one that counts. Like I've said before all the complainers should just migrate to the forums that are dedicated to the automobiles they are driving. All the Audi and BMW drivers should simply go to their associated forums and preach to the choir. I think many of us here are tired of listening to your superior attitudes. It's as if you need to justify spending the extra $15,000. You don't have to convince us that you made what you think is an excellent decision. We believe you. Now will you simply move on. I for one don't want to hear about your BMW track day or performance driving school in an Acura forum. My suspicion is that the BMW forums are so full of that type of stuff that the only place you think you can get any props for it is here. Unfortunately this is not the place for it. Please sprinkle that knowledge on your fellow BMW owners and spare us your ego.

F23A4

Let the church say ‘Amen!’

wyliec2

Seconded!

justnspace

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not any real hate; just discussions.
I like bumping my gums. anyone that tells stories, likes to bump their gums too.
who cares why we dont like it. it only matters is if you like it, since you paid ~$40k for it.

txl2017

It's going beyond discussions or different opinions. When you find yourself stuck on an "enthusiast" forum and can't find anything positive to say about the car, it's time to move on. There are certainly a lot of places you can leave your reviews to let the potential buyers, manufactures and even consumer protection agencies know your experience and opinions. Internet makes some things that would be considered rude and unnecessary in real life seem ok. You don't argue with your neighbor day in and day out just to tell them their car is crap.

justnspace

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Blame facebook.
the internet gives each and every one of us a voice.

but then again, opinions are like assholes. EVERYONE has one

pyrodan007

We never did say anything bad, just that it does't deserve to win car of the year, that's all. Think about it for a second, to win it has to be substantially better than the:
- 5 series
- Gulia Quadrifoglio
- Stinger
- Accord
- A5 Sportback
- 911
....plus other refreshed cars for the 2018 model year, and price is not a factor for car of the year by them choosing NSX last year

kurtatx

Right. I liked Spider-Man Homecoming, but I don't think it's worthy of Best Picture.

txl2017

I should clarify that I'm not targeting my comments to specific individuals on this thread. There seems no ideal thread to make the general comments about some posters on this forum echoing @hoda430's sentiment. I do think there are some individuals here who seem to be diligently and generously spending their time here involving in the back and forth's with negative comments and negative comments only. Some resort to sarcasm and other aggressive techniques to belittle those who love the car. It is unfortunate - considering this is *Acura Enthusiast Community*.

Terdbath

Outliers exist is many data sets. Once identified simply ignore.

BEAR-AvHistory

Interesting going back to 2006 when I first joined with my then new TL the most famous targets of the "we are just as good but a lot cheaper group" were the German cars especially BMW then MB & Audi. I found a lot of the comments interesting since I had both a TL & 330CI at the same time which I drove every day. It was very common to see the annual 6 way car throw-downs in C&D-R&T that included the TL. The TL being included at the top end version 6 way tests is long over. Lots of good give & take back then.

Now it seems we have moved into a time where the TLX no longer runs in those areas except in it adds. It also seems like the fans instead of give & take want a monolithic TLX is wonderful forum, decent is not welcome. We can pelt the other guys even Accord but its micro aggression & hate speech to take a non orthodox stance here.

Also found a lot of the comments about posters cousins, neighbors brother in laws friend experience to also be interesting when comparing the cars. They generally did not match my own or various publications experiences but that's the internet.

Generally if you have a target car that your car company has said it wants to emulate rather then have that car companies product a sitting target so you can feel good it might be of value to have a target that can shoot back. Your results or desires on what you want in a forum may differ.

I have no more problem saying for a primarily track day + fun street car I would prefer Camaro Z/28 or Mustang Shelby GT350R to an M4GTS on a BMW forum then saying while the TLX is a nice competent daily driver its no McLaren competition for Car of the Year anymore then anything I own is.

Driving school Vids: Was talk about oversteer/understeer & driving through the & twisties. I did a survey during a debate of the 4G & asked to pick. I get my knowledge from daily driving experience - from C&D/R&T- Drivers ED - performance driving school - on track experience Drag or road course. Less then 1% got their knowledge from performance school or track experience.

Yet some of the most vocal were at best cut & paste guys from the car magazines. There is a lot of back & forth here about the TLX & handling. Since I would expect there is very little if any experience here with the TLX when really pushed it might be of interest for people to see what it actually looks like to have a good handling Sport Sedan (interesting words thrown around here a lot) run at 10/10 by a non-pro driver. It also should have clarified why many of us find fault with the TLX Hot Rod TV adds, not the car, the adds.

Think as long as no one is personally attacking someone or just saying this car sucks without saying what they believe that the true fans should develop a thicker skin. Recognize with the current level of sales something needs to get fixed one way or another.

No car is perfect & above reproach. It seems foolish to invest so much of who you are in a car that you get your knickers in a knot if someone points of what they perceive as faults. If you disagree with the criticism you can do one of two things, write a rebuttal or simply ignore the post that offends you.

SebringSilver

I read the background article about the cars that were nominated as “finalists”. Pretty weird that the usual people who like to put down the TLX are all up in arms that some journalist somewhere actually had the gall to say good things about the TLX, but conveniently ignore the fact that in the same article they also said plenty of good things about the other finalists.

So which is it? Is the author only wrong about the TLX? Or is he wrong about all the finalists?

It seems pretty safe to assume the author, in order to write that article, has driven all those cars. It’s also pretty safe to assume that the TLX hate-brigade hasn’t.

BEAR-AvHistory

Has to do about the mismatch of cars selected. Like apples to oranges to plumbs to grapes. The lack of group commonality makes the final award meaningless. Its easy to separate the cars into at least three or four distinct groups. Somehow a $38K Chevy Bolt competing against a $212K Aston Martin for the same award seems to be a little bit stupid.

As for the TLX review it was a nice one despite the errors in it. The guys seems very happy in the HONDA family of cars after all his years of driving one of his own.

pyrodan007

Seeing the TLX Aspec in a top 5 list sure is an ego boast, but the reasoning behind the placement can only fool so many people. Putting this blind trust in future buyers having little car knowledge will for sure cause more "my car doesn't work well" and frustration in this forum. I also can say plenty of good things about the new Camry, how come that one is not car of the year? It's not sporty, well neither is the TLX when pushed hard. As a family sedan, it has ok space but my A4 beats it. So the question remains, why exactly is it a car of the year finalist? Because it justifies people on this forum buying it, not good enough ...

steig

Congrats to the 2018 Acura TLX ASpec.

quantum7

surely the sales will take off now!!!

svtmike

Also has to do with the moronic. writing seeming to want to justify a dubious conclusion. The interior is PERFECT and it features seats that are not very good.

steig

Agree, the interior and seats are great !