FLYGUY31

BEAR-AvHistory

Reality is a lot better then spec racing theory. The next to last step in the scientific method is to actually test your theory with a live experiment before publishing results.

Result: Rubber meets the road & the heavyweight SUV with the little 2.0T kicks V6 butt.

What actually surprised me about the test was the MDX having the smallest cargo capacity is compared to the VW & AUDI. It really looks bulky from the outside.

I buy SUV's by cargo capability & think its too bad the most station wagons are gone for people which need less room to carry stuff.

Saintor

Lame, lame, lame.

First, the Q7 3.0T still exists, which kills the stupid headline . Secundo, that 2.0Toy got worse combined EPA mpg than the older Honda engine. lol.

They better spend their time looking at those exhaust tips (who cares).

kurtatx

Saintor

It is not. Keep reading.

Christopher.

Replying to Bear's earlier comment: I hardly have/had much "disposable income" and it turns out we'll be paying for my TLX V6 ourselves, not on the car plan (which was why I picked that car) - however, now that we're paying for the car and not just getting it "free" on the company car play, I think my opinion carries a little more weight: I'm pleased with the 2018 V6 TLX and appreciate what it has to offer over a car like the Accord, while I could not afford to get the car which I would have chosen otherwise: the BMW M2. Now that I've taken the TLX on a ~2,000 mile road trip I thoroughly appreciate it's quiet comfort and confident feeling handling at 100+ MPH speeds on the highway.

As I own the TLX longer, I become more satisfied with it, and, it pleases (and amuses) me to read:
even if I am skeptical (and it's a subjective opinion, of course).

BC01191980

niray9

I have a "fight" with my wife if she wants to take/drive the A4 for work. Earlier I didn't care that much.

rockstar143

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I would love to drive a newer 2.0 turbo Audi...
I always wonder how much more of a hoot they must be now that they are more refined and have higher output than mine.

TacoBello

While the power rating is not too bad for the A4 (kind of low on HP, but good torque), I'm sure it is also underrated, like most other turbo engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the A4 is putting down near 245-250hp at the wheels... so closer to 280-285hp at the crank?

The beauty is, with just a chip you can open up that car so much more. Audi obviously tries to keep some separation in terms of power, between the A4 and S4, but, for how cheap and easy it is to get the power level up, it'd be stupid not to mod!

Christopher.

That's why I'm really hoping for a "base" model TLX or ILX with the Honda 2.0T engine - as I'm assuming the 3.0T V6 "Type S" will be too expensive for me to justify the cost, especially with my 1st of 2 kids going to be entering college around the same time as my current TLX will be about 4 years old. But who knows, maybe the TLX will hold up well and I'll just be happy to keep it for 10+ years? I can always fantasize about a 2.0T Acura becoming available as an affordable alternative to the more expensive "luxury" cars that come stock with "high performance". By alternative, I mean that it will give at least close to the same kind of thrill once you do a "level 2 tune" with Hondata....

Now if only I could add active suspension to my '18 TLX for a few hundred bucks, that would make me happier than a pig in, err, mud?

rockstar143

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you called the mods stupid

TacoBello

There is absolutely no way that Acura is introducing the 2.0T into the new 3G RDX, and then Acura will keep the V6 for the base 2G TLX. Not happening. The V6 ship has sailed and its not coming back (Note, I didnt say V6T, before someone gets their panties in a bunch).

kurtatx

You better believe it is. They're going to mate it with a ten speed auto.

TacoBello

ZipSpeed

The J-series engine has been around since 1996, so it's time to move on. It might have a few more years on Honda products, but Acura is moving to an all-turbo line up and maybe some Sport Hybrid derivatives based on those engines. Speaking of which, based on the press release information, the V6T is supposedly going to be an Acura exclusive.

https://www.acura.ca/newsdetails/nca...e-Model-Lineup

So what is the Pilot and Ridgeline going to use? 2.0T might be sufficient for day-to-day driving, but I can't see that engine being very good for towing or hauling.

TacoBello

Saintor

Wrong. You better read correctly. The V6 will be replaced with a V6T. The 2.4L will be replaced by the 2.0T

kurtatx

The TLX will be eliminated, but the 2.0T will replace the specs and performance of the V6. Acura has nothing in its TLX offering that is close to analogous to what a V6T would bring.

More likely Saintor just doesn't know what he's talking about, and I'm going to stick with Occam's Razor and go with that.

ZipSpeed

kurtatx

V6T with 300+ hp to the front wheels. lol

Saintor

So the TLX will be eliminated? Lol! Tell us more....

kurtatx

2.4 TLX will be eliminated. V6 gets replaced with a 2.0T. Type S is a brand new V6T

Saintor

Now the real version (not a fantasy land one); NA 2.4 / 3.5 get replaced by FI 2.0 / 3.0.

TacoBello

TacoBello

TacoBello

Saintor

3.5 gets replaced by 3.0T. That easy. No 2.0Toy, thanks.

TacoBello

dmski

They can just make a regular V6T for TLX pushing 300hp and based off fhe same engine with upgrded internals and a bigger turbo V6T pushing 400hp exclusive for Type S. It's really not that difficult to do especially with an engine already designed for turbo. That same detuned V6T can go into new Pilot/Ridgeline. This makes the most sense and it's cost effective.

F23A4

ZipSpeed

Yeah, that makes the most sense from a cost perspective. I guess what will make the Acura 3.0T "exclusive" is the higher power output number whereas Honda will probably detune the 3.0T to run on regular gas as that particular bracket in the market is more price sensitive. I don't know if Acura will pull an Infiniti and offer a detune version of the 3.0T since the 2.0T already makes similar numbers.

kurtatx

There's just no reason to do that with an amply powered turbo four. Honda gets 300 horses out of the Civic Type-R. A turbo V6 would be such a heavy waste if they don't make it an S model. It doesn't make sense to make a performance model and then downtune it for the regular one.

It doesn't make any sense for Acura to tune the 3.0T down. A 3.0T is probably more expensive to make and heavier. To make them intentionally slower is just senseless.

dmski

There's no way that Honda is only building a V6T just for the Type S. Building a new engine is very expensive. It will be used widely in Acura's line up. Who knows, that detuned version could be pushing 330+ hp and Type S north of 400. They need to move the needle and put everyone on notice. A KIA has 360hp. They need to step up now. Competition is too strong.

BEAR-AvHistory

Turbos are very very flexible when you have a purpose built block & internals. BMW gets quite a few different power ratings out of the 3.0T system. Also depends on how fast you want to spin it. Chevy has a 2.2TT that does 550/700BHP @ 10,500/12,200RPM.

BMW is upping the rev range from 7,000 to 7500RPM for the M2 3.0T Performance version & upping the power to 410BHP.

You can get economies of scale with a common engine with strong internals & just using ECU programming & turbo differences to vary the power. My engine in the 440 comes in 320HP base & 355HP underrated (370RWP DynoJet) with just ECU & exhaust changes as the M Power Performance & Sound Kit (MPPSK) option.

rockstar143

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So this thread's topic was what, again?
What engine some mythical future version a brand might have, or which one we think they should have, or which one we want to see, or which one we would buy, or which one we pretend we would actually buy on some online car forum?

To me this opens the door to say whatever you want in a thread...it's all unicorn farts and personal wishes in here anyway.

BEAR-AvHistory

I believe Acura will have a 3.0T DOHC engine in the TLX 2G. How much power they elect to have it generate is all conjecture & some wishful thinking. From a technical point of view it could produce 300/450 without being unreliable. One horsepower limitation will be what their market research says is their potential market bases tolerance is for lower MPG & premium gas pricing. The unknown take rate of the 2.4 will have a lot to do with saying what the market is not this forum.

Saintor

My opinion as well. For sure it will be used in the MDX and I doubt that it would be only for a selected version.

Infiniti chose to keep a 3.0T 300HP in their Q50 (rightly so). The delta with their Q50 2.0Toy in merely $2300 (both "Luxe" version).. Funny thing is that this base 3.0T version is not significantly faster or more fuel efficient that the old NA 3.7, if any. (The RS is another story).

I expect Acura to do better than this. Minimally 350HP. Honda didn't do such a great job with their 2.0T in the light weight Accord. 22/32 mpg vs 21/32 for the 2017 V6 not DI and with the old transmission,....ridiculous.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...39751&id=37623

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

Given then history of the type S for the 3G and now the aspec version of the TLX...
what makes you certain the next iteration of a "performance" sedan would be anything more than marginally more powerful than the base model?

I think they will have 2 tiers...which seems to be what they are going for. Gas mileage and performance. That's it...one will cater to either of those crowds.

kurtatx

That seems reasonable. Also feels like another reason to move on from the 2.4L

A 3.0T for the TLX Type R would (in my world) be added as an option to the RDX as well (RDX Type R) and the become either standard or an option in the MDX.

TLX would have a 2.0T, 3.0T (type r)
RDX would have a 2.0T, 3.0T (type r)
MDX would have a 3.0T

That would MORE than justify the existence of the 3.0T. And the 2.0T in the TLX base would be an efficient screamer.