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God, that is going to be one dull Acura.
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Can’t be any worse than a Q50 2.0T or IS 200t.
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God, that is going to be one dull Acura.
The V6 TLX just got interesting with the new exterior

2.0T and 3.0T would make both model TLX more interesting than what we have now.

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It's dull. Trust me, I've driven every one. There is no 2.0t that is not dull. That's why Saab puts V6's in their jets.
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There is no 2.0t that is not dull. .
Why specifically?
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Why specifically?
He's being sarcastic or his account has been hacked by Saintor
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Yeah its V6 makes it feel alive, unlike the extremely dull 2.0Toys.
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*A LOT* of them. All lifeless and boring, except a few with some exhaust. There is a big reason why BMW, Audi and Mercedes stick to 6-cyl. in their higher offerings; they just feel zillion times better. .
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It's dull. Trust me, I've driven every one. There is no 2.0t that is not dull. That's why Saab puts V6's in their jets.



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First oil change is 10k, and the reminder doesn't light up the engine light.
I got your point now, little late.

Ok I will stick to the regular engine oil change schedule.
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Both of these applications need higher displacement engines to get the needed higher power.
No.

Mercedes has a V6 362HP in the C43. They also have a 2.0T 381HP in the CLA/A Class. Technically, nobody needs a V6 for sub 400HP when they can go the 2.0T-2.5T route.

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And when it comes to arguing with Saintor, don't bother. Honda is going to offer the TLX with a 2.0T next go round. He has already lost the argument.
Don't you have a clue that a 3.0T is also coming? The argument remains as strong as ever.

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Don't you have a clue that a 3.0T is also coming? The argument remains as strong as ever.
Yeah, but the 2.0T is replacing the V6. The V6T is performance variant Acura currently doesn't have.
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When he gets checkmated, he chooses to not play anymore. That's pretty dull.

Dude, at this point...all cars care 200+ HP...
that's achieved by all manufacturers in various ways be it high output, turbo or supercharger...

but when you're driving a Ford F150 Murrica Fuck yeah V8 4lyf power 2016 work truck and it's powered by a 2.7L twin turbo...the world is a changin...
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No.

Mercedes has a V6 362HP in the C43. They also have a 2.0T 381HP in the CLA/A Class. Technically, nobody needs a V6 for sub 400HP when they can go the 2.0T-2.5T route.
Um, yes. The CLA 2.0T is a high strung boutique AMG engine, not appropriate for a standard every-day luxury driver. And even at that it refutes your original incorrect assertion that Mercedes, BMW, and Audi all specify V-6's in their higher end offerings because everyone demands the sound of a V-6.
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Yeah, but the 2.0T is replacing the V6. The V6T is performance variant Acura currently doesn't have.
Unfounded. Do you have evidence that 2.4 will remain? Of course not. The 2.0T will be the base engine like in the IS200T and Q50 2.0T.
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Um, yes. The CLA 2.0T is a high strung boutique AMG engine, not appropriate for a standard every-day luxury driver. And even at that it refutes your original incorrect assertion that Mercedes, BMW, and Audi all specify V-6's in their higher end offerings because everyone demands the sound of a V-6.
Um, no. It has 350lbs-ft @ 2250rpm, so that "high strung" argument doesn't hold to anything but little impressions of yours and has an impact on nothing. Power and torque delivery is there, linear style, nothing that "high strung" would change.

OF COURSE, BMW and Audi owners spending big money on their car will want a superior aural experience. Canadian 340i even have Performance Exhaust standard.
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Unfounded. Do you have evidence that 2.4 will remain? Of course not. The 2.0T will be the base engine like in the IS200T and Q50 2.0T.
But it will have similar specs to the V6 TLX you bought and immediately regretted
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But it will have similar specs to the V6 TLX you bought and immediately regretted
Unfounded and totally BS. Would buy it again, certainly more than any 2.0Toy.
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No, cramming 380hp out of a 2.0L is not considered high strung at all 190hp/L is not high strung!!

and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.

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because it's that kind of thrill...
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because it's that kind of thrill dull...
Fify.
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no. i meant the TLX, not the 2.0t.
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because it's that kind of thrill...
Saintor is that kind of special
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no. i meant the TLX, not the 2.0t.

Gah, you're setting me up for a slam dunk, but I don't want to take it!!
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well, it's the internet so he can make whatever claims or be as contrary as he wants.
for all we know, he doesn't actually own an acura. maybe a 2.0t stole his girlfriend in high school or something!??!
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Friendly reminder/warning before we veer off course - discussion about the topic does not include personal attacks. Keep it on topic and don't make it personal.
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Honest question for Saintor, what modern car have you driven since you bought your 16 TLX? Must be newer than your TLX. It's amazing what has changed in the past couple of years. And please no "my car is the best thing since sliced bread", we know already...
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.

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Originally Posted by TacoBello View Post
No, cramming 380hp out of a 2.0L is not considered high strung at all 190hp/L is not high strung!!

and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.
Well define "high strung". Those conclusions are artificial and based on nothing. "High strung" would be if you'd get the additional power at 8000rpm, instead of 7000.. The S2000 was a great example.

My father's 5.7L had 135HP in mid '70s. Today 400HP are common in mainstream Hemis and similar.... does this make Hemis "high strung" compared to where 5.7L were a few decades ago ? Are 3.5T 400HP "high strung"? I am sure that those 2.0Toy of 381HP meet Mercedes design requirements of longevity. Now if you say that "high strung" translates to harsh and too rough for the application, it just proves my point.

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Honest question for Saintor, what modern car have you driven since you bought your 16 TLX? Must be newer than your TLX. It's amazing what has changed in the past couple of years. And please no "my car is the best thing since sliced bread", we know already...
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.
It is not honest as you try to put stupid statements in my mouth that I never did.. So move on.
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So now the topic of this thread is revolving around a member's own personal definition of high strung and explaining semantics?

Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?

Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
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The value of a car is what people will pay for it, nothing more nothing less. People will pay X for an A4 & -X for a TLX. Both nice cars but so is a Civic & Accord. What Bob "Maximum Bob" Lutz predicted about 15 years ago has come to pass. Content of low priced & high priced cars has pretty much evened out with the advent of modern electronics. Presentation to create desirability is now a key factor. Bottom line is an A4 is more desirable then a TLX so people will pay more for it.

Honda understands that from a advertising perspective but the product does not meet the threshold in the actual metal against the 4 majors. Will be interesting to see who of the wannabes will be able to step up. I would bet Genesis right now as they move into the $80K bracket.
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always so well thought out, Bear...
that actually makes a lot of sense.
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Well define "high strung". Those conclusions are artificial and based on nothing. "High strung" would be if you'd get the additional power at 8000rpm, instead of 7000.. The S2000 was a great example.

My father's 5.7L had 135HP in mid '70s. Today 400HP are common in mainstream Hemis and similar.... does this make Hemis "high strung" compared to where 5.7L were a few decades ago ? Are 3.5T 400HP "high strung"? I am sure that those 2.0Toy of 381HP meet Mercedes design requirements of longevity. Now if you say that "high strung" translates to harsh and too rough for the application, it just proves my point.



It is not honest as you try to put stupid statements in my mouth that I never did.. So move on.
The s2000 was considered high strung because it initially put out 120hp/L, in naturally aspirated form. While turbos can hit those kind of power numbers with ease, for a factory car with factory warranty, I would argue that 190hp/L is high strung, no matter how you look at it- since there really is no one else squeezing that much power out of a factory engine in stock guise and still offering a full warranty period on top. But hey, that's just my
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So now the topic of this thread is revolving around a member's own personal definition of high strung and explaining semantics?

Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?

Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
Because it's a car forum, open to any kind of discussion, so long as it isn't against another member.
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So long as your opinion isn't against another member's opinion?
Who makes the rules here?
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What? Who said that?

You can have an opinion and share it, without devolving into calling someone names and attacking them for believing something different.

Granted, I haven't always been the best follower of that.
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Presentation to create desirability is now a key factor.
And probably why there's a sea of bare-bones 3 Series. Some people don't care if their car can go from 0-100kph in 5 seconds. All these budget ballers care about is making sure they are seen with the badge.
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And probably why there's a sea of bare-bones 3 Series. Some people don't care if their car can go from 0-100kph in 5 seconds. All these budget ballers care about is making sure they are seen with the badge.
Exactly, Brand ID sells cars. That's why Acura has been struggling to build one. In auto marketing the BMW & MB logos are the gold standard. For buyers all those 320 & 330's keeps the brand CAFE numbers under control so they can build sub 5 second 0-100kph 340/440 & up performance cars for those who do.

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And probably why there's a sea of bare-bones 3 Series. Some people don't care if their car can go from 0-100kph in 5 seconds. All these budget ballers care about is making sure they are seen with the badge.
The lower tier models do have smaller engines and better fuel economy. Some people just want something a little better than the mass produced models. Feature wise, whole other topic since as Bear says it's getting close now a days.
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Yes but there's a distinct difference with MB/BMW, in that you can buy a small engine model, yet option the shit out of it. You can have all the boxes ticked, without getting the big ass engine that most will never use and regret spending the money on fuel.

Most people don't give a shit about 0-60 times, or performance numbers in general. But they do want a nice overall car. Granted, I'm sure plenty buy because of the badge, but I think it goes deeper than that, in most cases.
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I was considering BMW and or MB as a replacement for Acura before I decided to buy out my lease but for the extra cost for comparable performance I just could not justify the money needed. Then I thought about buying used but I read all the horror stories of how expensive BMWs and Mercs are to fix after warranty runs out.
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