Aspec vs A4
#42
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Can’t be any worse than a Q50 2.0T or IS 200t.
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#48
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I died laughing when I read this page
#49
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Mercedes has a V6 362HP in the C43. They also have a 2.0T 381HP in the CLA/A Class. Technically, nobody needs a V6 for sub 400HP when they can go the 2.0T-2.5T route.
Originally Posted by ktttx
And when it comes to arguing with Saintor, don't bother. Honda is going to offer the TLX with a 2.0T next go round. He has already lost the argument.
Last edited by Saintor; 04-16-2018 at 05:16 PM.
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When he gets checkmated, he chooses to not play anymore. That's pretty dull.
Dude, at this point...all cars care 200+ HP...
that's achieved by all manufacturers in various ways be it high output, turbo or supercharger...
but when you're driving a Ford F150 Murrica Fuck yeah V8 4lyf power 2016 work truck and it's powered by a 2.7L twin turbo...the world is a changin...
Dude, at this point...all cars care 200+ HP...
that's achieved by all manufacturers in various ways be it high output, turbo or supercharger...
but when you're driving a Ford F150 Murrica Fuck yeah V8 4lyf power 2016 work truck and it's powered by a 2.7L twin turbo...the world is a changin...
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#53
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Um, yes. The CLA 2.0T is a high strung boutique AMG engine, not appropriate for a standard every-day luxury driver. And even at that it refutes your original incorrect assertion that Mercedes, BMW, and Audi all specify V-6's in their higher end offerings because everyone demands the sound of a V-6.
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Um, yes. The CLA 2.0T is a high strung boutique AMG engine, not appropriate for a standard every-day luxury driver. And even at that it refutes your original incorrect assertion that Mercedes, BMW, and Audi all specify V-6's in their higher end offerings because everyone demands the sound of a V-6.
OF COURSE, BMW and Audi owners spending big money on their car will want a superior aural experience. Canadian 340i even have Performance Exhaust standard.
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#58
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No, cramming 380hp out of a 2.0L is not considered high strung at all 190hp/L is not high strung!!
and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.
and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.
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#65
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Beat him up in the grocery store parking lot, I've heard.
#66
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Friendly reminder/warning before we veer off course - discussion about the topic does not include personal attacks. Keep it on topic and don't make it personal.
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#67
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Honest question for Saintor, what modern car have you driven since you bought your 16 TLX? Must be newer than your TLX. It's amazing what has changed in the past couple of years. And please no "my car is the best thing since sliced bread", we know already...
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.
Last edited by pyrodan007; 04-17-2018 at 06:04 PM.
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No, cramming 380hp out of a 2.0L is not considered high strung at all 190hp/L is not high strung!!
and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.
and peak torque doesn't come on unti 2250rpm, meaning that the engine has a bigger turbo than most other 2.0Ts, which hit peak torque in the 1500-1800 range. Doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to make a big difference, especially when high in the rpm range.
My father's 5.7L had 135HP in mid '70s. Today 400HP are common in mainstream Hemis and similar.... does this make Hemis "high strung" compared to where 5.7L were a few decades ago ? Are 3.5T 400HP "high strung"? I am sure that those 2.0Toy of 381HP meet Mercedes design requirements of longevity. Now if you say that "high strung" translates to harsh and too rough for the application, it just proves my point.
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
Honest question for Saintor, what modern car have you driven since you bought your 16 TLX? Must be newer than your TLX. It's amazing what has changed in the past couple of years. And please no "my car is the best thing since sliced bread", we know already...
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.
The A4 comes in many versions, blaming price is not always a true reason to ignore it. Or muffler sound. Or reliability.
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So now the topic of this thread is revolving around a member's own personal definition of high strung and explaining semantics?
Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?
Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?
Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
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The value of a car is what people will pay for it, nothing more nothing less. People will pay X for an A4 & -X for a TLX. Both nice cars but so is a Civic & Accord. What Bob "Maximum Bob" Lutz predicted about 15 years ago has come to pass. Content of low priced & high priced cars has pretty much evened out with the advent of modern electronics. Presentation to create desirability is now a key factor. Bottom line is an A4 is more desirable then a TLX so people will pay more for it.
Honda understands that from a advertising perspective but the product does not meet the threshold in the actual metal against the 4 majors. Will be interesting to see who of the wannabes will be able to step up. I would bet Genesis right now as they move into the $80K bracket.
Honda understands that from a advertising perspective but the product does not meet the threshold in the actual metal against the 4 majors. Will be interesting to see who of the wannabes will be able to step up. I would bet Genesis right now as they move into the $80K bracket.
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Well define "high strung". Those conclusions are artificial and based on nothing. "High strung" would be if you'd get the additional power at 8000rpm, instead of 7000.. The S2000 was a great example.
My father's 5.7L had 135HP in mid '70s. Today 400HP are common in mainstream Hemis and similar.... does this make Hemis "high strung" compared to where 5.7L were a few decades ago ? Are 3.5T 400HP "high strung"? I am sure that those 2.0Toy of 381HP meet Mercedes design requirements of longevity. Now if you say that "high strung" translates to harsh and too rough for the application, it just proves my point.
It is not honest as you try to put stupid statements in my mouth that I never did.. So move on.
My father's 5.7L had 135HP in mid '70s. Today 400HP are common in mainstream Hemis and similar.... does this make Hemis "high strung" compared to where 5.7L were a few decades ago ? Are 3.5T 400HP "high strung"? I am sure that those 2.0Toy of 381HP meet Mercedes design requirements of longevity. Now if you say that "high strung" translates to harsh and too rough for the application, it just proves my point.
It is not honest as you try to put stupid statements in my mouth that I never did.. So move on.
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So now the topic of this thread is revolving around a member's own personal definition of high strung and explaining semantics?
Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?
Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
Back on topic,
I think that most modern cars will drive well enough...to pit one against another you pretty are dealing with individual preference. What's the point of discussing opinions?
What's the point of this thread?
Personally I think the A4 and the TLX are awesome...no matter what engine they have...
#75
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What? Who said that?
You can have an opinion and share it, without devolving into calling someone names and attacking them for believing something different.
Granted, I haven't always been the best follower of that.
You can have an opinion and share it, without devolving into calling someone names and attacking them for believing something different.
Granted, I haven't always been the best follower of that.
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There are four lights!
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Exactly, Brand ID sells cars. That's why Acura has been struggling to build one. In auto marketing the BMW & MB logos are the gold standard. For buyers all those 320 & 330's keeps the brand CAFE numbers under control so they can build sub 5 second 0-100kph 340/440 & up performance cars for those who do.
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#78
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The lower tier models do have smaller engines and better fuel economy. Some people just want something a little better than the mass produced models. Feature wise, whole other topic since as Bear says it's getting close now a days.
#79
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Yes but there's a distinct difference with MB/BMW, in that you can buy a small engine model, yet option the shit out of it. You can have all the boxes ticked, without getting the big ass engine that most will never use and regret spending the money on fuel.
Most people don't give a shit about 0-60 times, or performance numbers in general. But they do want a nice overall car. Granted, I'm sure plenty buy because of the badge, but I think it goes deeper than that, in most cases.
Most people don't give a shit about 0-60 times, or performance numbers in general. But they do want a nice overall car. Granted, I'm sure plenty buy because of the badge, but I think it goes deeper than that, in most cases.
#80
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I was considering BMW and or MB as a replacement for Acura before I decided to buy out my lease but for the extra cost for comparable performance I just could not justify the money needed. Then I thought about buying used but I read all the horror stories of how expensive BMWs and Mercs are to fix after warranty runs out.
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