A-Spec Brakes :-/
I assumed Acura would have at least put a better brake pad on this car to compensate for the larger wheels and extra weight, after driving about 300 miles Im going to need to swap out the stock pads. It was ok on my 2015 but for this car it needs something more aggressive, I think i will be going with EBC Red the yellow will be to much of an aggressive pad. Anyone with the aspec has any thoughts on this.
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you seem to be knowledgable with cars; why not buy an aftermarket pad that will live up to your expectations?
as everyone is different and will have different expectations of their car because different driving styles. if you know the EBC red pads will be a little aggressive; why not step down one? |
All TLX's use the same pads - 45022-SJP-A01 for the fronts
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 16196257)
you seem to be knowledgable with cars; why not buy an aftermarket pad that will live up to your expectations?
as everyone is different and will have different expectations of their car because different driving styles. if you know the EBC red pads will be a little aggressive; why not step down one? |
Originally Posted by kuzdu
(Post 16196411)
I think you read the post wrong, I'm saying the Yellow will be to aggressive since i had them on my Type S and it took a while to warm them up. Also I am saying that i will move to the reds since the current stock pads are not living up to my expectations. The Aspec brakes are weak for that car and I'm waiting to hear from some people who actually have it and has some feedback.
you can simply google the products you want and there will be reviews waiting for you. on top of that; people have different driving styles. most people who buy the TLX arent going to be putting on aggressive brake pads, unless their driving style dictates it. In addition; you are already a seasoned modder. you've already had experienced with the EBC pads...put your knowledge to good use and pick a pad you think will compliment the car. |
Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 16196417)
( I didnt care to read fully because it's not like the pads are car specific....)
you can simply google the products you want and there will be reviews waiting for you. on top of that; people have different driving styles. most people who buy the TLX arent going to be putting on aggressive brake pads, unless their driving style dictates it. In addition; you are already a seasoned modder. you've already had experienced with the EBC pads...put your knowledge to good use and pick a pad you think will compliment the car. |
Kuzdu; Not familiar with aftermarket products, but IMHO the new A-SPEC is almost flawless
Brakes seem fine; I've made a couple of "rainy, wet" stops, with zero problems Compared to my 2015 SH-AWD/Tech, this car buries that; (BTW: I loved that car) Acura finally got it right; a few more HP, couldn't hurt, but who's counting The positives far outweigh the negatives; actually, after 1,100 miles there are ZERO Can't wait for Spring; drove to the new Casino, in Kiamesha, & the car was awesome Quiet, subdued, & great electric steering feel; the ELS was great, as well Enjoy! |
Originally Posted by CPR
(Post 16196560)
Kuzdu; Not familiar with aftermarket products, but IMHO the new A-SPEC is almost flawless
Brakes seem fine; I've made a couple of "rainy, wet" stops, with zero problems Compared to my 2015 SH-AWD/Tech, this car buries that; (BTW: I loved that car) Acura finally got it right; a few more HP, couldn't hurt, but who's counting The positives far outweigh the negatives; actually, after 1,100 miles there are ZERO Can't wait for Spring; drove to the new Casino, in Kiamesha, & the car was awesome Quiet, subdued, & great electric steering feel; the ELS was great, as well Enjoy! I tested 3 sets of pads on the COBRA & dropped the 70-0 stopping distance from 125 feet to 99 feet. Key is to always check the operating temperature of the pads. As the pads get more aggressive the usable temperature range shifts up & low temperature grip, stopping power, is lessened. That is why pure track pads can't be used on the street. FWIW I use Hawk HP+ pads on the COBRA. The 440 has the track package option with M-Performance Brembo's |
How are the stock tires on the ASPEC cars? If they are crap, might wanna consider changing out to better rubber as that will help with better braking as well. |
No upgrades to the brake pads is why the ASPEC to me is just an appearance package upgrade and not a real upgraded performance spec. Hell, even the Civic Si has upgrade brakes over the regular Civic.
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Originally Posted by ggesq
(Post 16196629)
How are the stock tires on the ASPEC cars? If they are crap, might wanna consider changing out to better rubber as that will help with better braking as well. |
Originally Posted by kuzdu
(Post 16196462)
LOL, Do you think people are idiots on this forum and cant google? If you don't have anything good to say then don't say it!! I'm waiting for the people on here who actually have the car to chime in not someone who assumes they are right in every aspect of things on this forum. Don't need to prove what mods I have done on all of my cars but this was a post to get some feedback on the drivers impression and if they have any plans on getting better pads on the car.
Have you seen the TLX forum lately? Hardly anyone modifies their car, it's just not worth it besides cosmetics. You'll be waiting for a while before you get "I did that exact mod" response. Google is much faster. |
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
(Post 16196690)
Have you seen the TLX forum lately? Hardly anyone modifies their car, it's just not worth it besides cosmetics. You'll be waiting for a while before you get "I did that exact mod" response. Google is much faster.
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Yeah the tires are pretty good wayyyyyyy better than the 2015, my personal preference would be a great bite on initial braking and shorter stopping distance. From what i read last week the Reds will do the job. Hey CPR i put on my intake, sprint booster and vmcuzzler this weekend all i got to say is this thing movessssss. This weekend I'm putting on my pulley so I will need better stopping power.
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Originally Posted by kuzdu
(Post 16196462)
LOL, Do you think people are idiots on this forum and cant google? If you don't have anything good to say then don't say it!! I'm waiting for the people on here who actually have the car to chime in not someone who assumes they are right in every aspect of things on this forum. Don't need to prove what mods I have done on all of my cars but this was a post to get some feedback on the drivers impression and if they have any plans on getting better pads on the car.
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IMHO; From the comfort of the sport seats;(with the thigh extender, to the quietness of the cabin, excellent auto climate control; even auto high beams, & cooled seats
Nothing to complain about from this owner Hopefully, the electronics stay "healthy", & don't cause problems that said, I'm elated with my choice P.S Everyone that sees the color combo loves it! |
Originally Posted by CPR
(Post 16196721)
IMHO; From the comfort of the sport seats;(with the thigh extender, to the quietness of the cabin, excellent auto climate control; even auto high beams, & cooled seats
Nothing to complain about from this owner Hopefully, the electronics stay "healthy", & don't cause problems that said, I'm elated with my choice P.S Everyone that sees the color combo loves it! |
Originally Posted by kuzdu
(Post 16196250)
I assumed Acura would have at least put a better brake pad on this car to compensate for the larger wheels and extra weight, after driving about 300 miles Im going to need to swap out the stock pads. It was ok on my 2015 but for this car it needs something more aggressive, I think i will be going with EBC Red the yellow will be to much of an aggressive pad. Anyone with the aspec has any thoughts on this.
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I’m not a car enthusiast, but when I first got the car the brakes were not broken in at all and very stiff hard to stop After 1,500 miles of driving they’re pretty darn good right now but yea if you’re looking for fast driving and hard stopping I’d probably go with an aftermarket brand |
Originally Posted by kuzdu
(Post 16196462)
LOL, Do you think people are idiots on this forum and cant google?
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Yeah probably next week I’ll get the reds and put them on i can always swap these stock pads with my other tlx. |
Originally Posted by CPR
(Post 16196721)
IMHO; From the comfort of the sport seats;(with the thigh extender, to the quietness of the cabin, excellent auto climate control; even auto high beams, & cooled seats
Nothing to complain about from this owner Hopefully, the electronics stay "healthy", & don't cause problems that said, I'm elated with my choice P.S Everyone that sees the color combo loves it! |
Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 16196718)
the issue here is; you're asking a bunch of people that solely use the car as an appliance to help you dictate your pad choice....when you have the experience to pick pads without any help.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 16196718)
the issue here is; you're asking a bunch of people that solely use the car as an appliance to help you dictate your pad choice....when you have the experience to pick pads without any help.
If you want to moderate a thread, just issue warning or lock it when appropriate. If you want to post as member, post something relevant to the topics. Don't try to act both member and moderator at the same time. You can delete this post as a mod after you read this. No problem. |
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Originally Posted by AZuser
(Post 16197498)
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Back on topic, my A-Spec is a fun appliance. In routine driving, the stock brakes are fine and the stock rubber is quite good for all-season rubber, as long as you are nowhere near the limits. If you have any pretensions toward assertive driving, better brake pads are likely a must, as well as stickier rubber.
So OP, put on your EBC yellows and share your experience. You may start a trend. :thumbsup: |
Originally Posted by neuronbob
(Post 16197562)
Back on topic, my A-Spec is a fun appliance. In routine driving, the stock brakes are fine and the stock rubber is quite good for all-season rubber, as long as you are nowhere near the limits. If you have any pretensions toward assertive driving, better brake pads are likely a must, as well as stickier rubber.
So OP, put on your EBC yellows and share your experience. You may start a trend. :thumbsup: |
Yeah definitely let us know what you think, Acura/Hondas have always had lack luster brakes, may upgrade the pads on my car in the near future as well, but I haven't explored the options yet.
Better tires definitely make a difference. The difference when I switch from my OEM Goodyears to the Michelin PSSs are night and day for braking as well as handling. So much so that I think this will be my last winter on the Goodyears. |
IMHO the stock Michelin Primacy's & A-SPEC brakes are fine, for anyone that doesn't use Roebling Raceway for entertainment!
C'mon guys, it's not a race car, but a damn good people hauler I've had it up to 100MPH, on the hwy., & the suspension, & electric steering are terrific Also, the car is way quieter than my 6 previous TLX, TL, & CL vehicles As stated before, Acura hit a home run with the TLX/SH-AWD/A-SPEC Just show me any other car for the price, that has the amenities of this one I love it. |
Originally Posted by CPR
(Post 16198352)
IMHO the stock Michelin Primacy's & A-SPEC brakes are fine, for anyone that doesn't use Roebling Raceway for entertainment!
C'mon guys, it's not a race car, but a damn good people hauler I've had it up to 100MPH, on the hwy., & the suspension, & electric steering are terrific Also, the car is way quieter than my 6 previous TLX, TL, & CL vehicles As stated before, Acura hit a home run with the TLX/SH-AWD/A-SPEC Just show me any other car for the price, that has the amenities of this one I love it. One time the TL was a really true value proposition that could go head to head in the high performance road tests with the Germans & other Japanese makes. Today it seems to be competing with Camry, Buick, Maxima etc. The loss of Summer Tires, LSD, Brembo Brakes, performance suspension etc should really be a major shout out as to where the brand is now & who its matches up against value wise. |
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
(Post 16198429)
One time the TL was a really true value proposition that could go head to head in the high performance road tests with the Germans & other Japanese makes. Today it seems to be competing with Camry, Buick, Maxima etc.
https://www.motor1.com/news/235418/2...altima-teaser/ |
Originally Posted by CPR
(Post 16198352)
IMHO the stock Michelin Primacy's & A-SPEC brakes are fine, for anyone that doesn't use Roebling Raceway for entertainment!
C'mon guys, it's not a race car, but a damn good people hauler. I've had it up to 100MPH, on the hwy., & the suspension, & electric steering are terrific There is a simple drill at many high performance driving schools the is run at only 35MPH to get a feel for the course. Then is run for time against the other 15 members in your group. What seems to be easy in the 35mph dry runs quickly gives most experienced drivers in quality handling cars a nice OH!! S**T moment as you take a 180 degree turn into a 100 yard straight to build up speed into the chicane. Running against the others forces you to get a real feel for what can happen at speed if something suddenly happens in front of you because the competition pushes you to go to the limit. Typically on 10 tries 1/2 or more of the group don't make it & I have never seen a 10 for 10 clean run. Knock down any cone & the run is a DNF miss the stopping box & get a 2 second penalty. https://media.bmwperformancecenter.c...ane-change.mp4 Speaking of 100MPH runs its not unusual on rural sections of the interstate down here with WAZE in operation to travel for long distances at 90MPH or so. Even remember rush hour on the NJTP/GSP doing 80MPH or so. A few bucks extra for quality tires, brakes & suspension is worth it to me to up my chances it something unexpected happens at speed. |
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
(Post 16198432)
Add the new 2019 Altima to the list, actually getting an optional AWD version. This will really hurt Acura, Accord as well when looking at the Canadian market.
https://www.motor1.com/news/235418/2...altima-teaser/ |
I can assure you that the A-Spec is solid at nearly 100 mph on the one run I took to that speed. Brakes work well at that speed, but like any stock brakes on a family sedan, I wouldn’t trust them for repeated stops for that speed, and nor have I tried. |
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
(Post 16198472)
I would humbly suggest you are wrong. I have driven the TLX & agree its a nice car but as delivered I would want no part of 100MPH runs in it. Steering, brakes & tires are like a weapon, you don't need one till you need one.
It would, of course, also be nice to have slightly better (but mostly just stiffer) suspension as a "driving mode" (electronically selectable). |
Originally Posted by Christopher.
(Post 16199079)
While I agree that it'd be nice to have grabbier faster stopping brakes, I have to say that 100MPH in my TLX does not even feel close to "dangerously fast" - that is, unless a deer ran in front of my car out of nowhere, or somebody coming the opposite direction crossed over in front of me suddenly.
It would, of course, also be nice to have slightly better (but mostly just stiffer) suspension as a "driving mode" (electronically selectable). The TLX's brakes aren't the most responsive brakes compared to more performance cars. The 3G TL had brakes that bite much better initially. 4G lost some of that grab/bite and the TLX doesn't have much of it. ET500 pads are what I'm using over the factory pads on the 4G and they are pretty good! Folks compare them to the EBC Red since they are both street pads with similar data. The Red may not be as aggressive as you may want, but it should be an improvement. If you are worried about the bite when cold, you can always do Red on the front yellow on the rears to help improve cold braking and add a bit more performance. IMO brake pads are cheaper than tires to try out first. |
Originally Posted by Christopher.
(Post 16199079)
While I agree that it'd be nice to have grabbier faster stopping brakes, I have to say that 100MPH in my TLX does not even feel close to "dangerously fast" - that is, unless a deer ran in front of my car out of nowhere, or somebody coming the opposite direction crossed over in front of me suddenly.
It would, of course, also be nice to have slightly better (but mostly just stiffer) suspension as a "driving mode" (electronically selectable). That PRS avoidance drill was a Come to Jesus moment for pretty much all of the students who have never run one before. You don't really know how hard it is to safely do it till you have the opportunity to try it in a safe environment. Almost half the class never made or had penalties hits in 10 tries even though the cars were capable of performing the maneuver at close to twice the initial practice speed. Best time in our group was low 22 seconds worse high 30 seconds & they missed on all 10 runs. So in some cases being slow did not help them because they had not used good technique. |
Acura had to keep the cost down somewhere.
Been around toyota tacoma forums and owners have been upgrading to Buddy Club brakes. |
How do the stock brake pads comapre to something like this? (Auto Parts store "premium" brake pads)
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...84h/10866502-P edit: The on review of those pads on that site says: "These were a perfect replacement in terms of fit, and have quality shims which negate any brake noise- but they don't bite as much as OEM pads. Replaced front and back pads, and all new Wearever Rotors on 2015 Acura TLX. Smooth stopping but wish they had more friction." I want to be able to stop hard and fast, I want my tires to be the limiting factor, not my brakes. But, wouldn't the stock brakes & pads be able to lock up the wheels just fine as is? So maybe it's not braking power so much as the feel? I mean, I'm used to old cars with old brakes being able to lock the tires and squeel, meaning that the power of brakes has typically been greater than the ability of tires to stick to the road. Is that not the case with our TLXs?
Originally Posted by nothome17
(Post 16199148)
Acura had to keep the cost down somewhere.
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