Any doubts on 2nd gen TLX for 2020? Err...make that 2021?
02-12-2019, 10:54 AM
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Don't think anything under 2.0 is a good deal for a street car. You can get a 1.5L up to power, Formula 1 had 1.5L V6 turbos but it takes a lot of RPM.
BMW 1.5L F1 engine, power unknown. Dyno maxed out at 1,280BHP but the engine was not done making power. Est 1,400BHP by Brabham. Nelson Piquet became the first driver to win the World Championship with a turbo powered car using this engine.
BMW 1.5L F1 engine, power unknown. Dyno maxed out at 1,280BHP but the engine was not done making power. Est 1,400BHP by Brabham. Nelson Piquet became the first driver to win the World Championship with a turbo powered car using this engine.
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02-13-2019, 05:07 AM
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Deviating further from the original topic, but with an eye towards ta new Turbo TLX, has anyone else noticed that Hyundai just killed the 1.6 Turbo option in its 2019 Tucson. Citing underwhelming fuel economy and maintenance costs. Interesting , is this a crack in the relentless worship of turbos or is Hyundai simply just trying to cut costs and actually improve fuel economy? Going with a 2.0 and 2.4 GDI engines.
02-13-2019, 09:10 PM
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I expect a $3500ish price increase on the base 2.0t TLX vs the current base TLX 2.4 and the fully loaded Type-S 3.0 turbo should be in the $53-55K range which is still MUCH less expensive than comparably equipped European cars. Given it will be on an all new Acura sedan platform (no Honda relation here) with front double wishbones, TrueTouch infotainment, possible optional Precision Cockpit infotainment, much, MUCH better interior materials, wood/aluminum, updated IDS, adaptive dampers, front 6 piston Brembo’s on Type-S, Type-S exclusive wheels, seats, door panels, steering wheel, interior trim, ELS Studio 3D audio, available SH-AWD on the 2.0t, standard SH-AWD on the Type-S, 10AT, all new DOHC, iVTEC, 3.0 V6 single turbo with an all new VTEC system we’ve never seen before (similar to Porsche’s Variocam), with a possible 48 volt system with an e-Motor for the turbo for instant spool characteristics.......
02-14-2019, 12:40 AM
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I expect a $3500ish price increase on the base 2.0t TLX vs the current base TLX 2.4 and the fully loaded Type-S 3.0 turbo should be in the $53-55K range which is still MUCH less expensive than comparably equipped European cars. Given it will be on an all new Acura sedan platform (no Honda relation here) with front double wishbones, TrueTouch infotainment, possible optional Precision Cockpit infotainment, much, MUCH better interior materials, wood/aluminum, updated IDS, adaptive dampers, front 6 piston Brembo’s on Type-S, Type-S exclusive wheels, seats, door panels, steering wheel, interior trim, ELS Studio 3D audio, available SH-AWD on the 2.0t, standard SH-AWD on the Type-S, 10AT, all new DOHC, iVTEC, 3.0 V6 single turbo with an all new VTEC system we’ve never seen before (similar to Porsche’s Variocam), with a possible 48 volt system with an e-Motor for the turbo for instant spool characteristics.......
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02-14-2019, 11:09 AM
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I expect a $3500ish price increase on the base 2.0t TLX vs the current base TLX 2.4 and the fully loaded Type-S 3.0 turbo should be in the $53-55K range which is still MUCH less expensive than comparably equipped European cars. Given it will be on an all new Acura sedan platform (no Honda relation here) with front double wishbones, TrueTouch infotainment, possible optional Precision Cockpit infotainment, much, MUCH better interior materials, wood/aluminum, updated IDS, adaptive dampers, front 6 piston Brembo’s on Type-S, Type-S exclusive wheels, seats, door panels, steering wheel, interior trim, ELS Studio 3D audio, available SH-AWD on the 2.0t, standard SH-AWD on the Type-S, 10AT, all new DOHC, iVTEC, 3.0 V6 single turbo with an all new VTEC system we’ve never seen before (similar to Porsche’s Variocam), with a possible 48 volt system with an e-Motor for the turbo for instant spool characteristics.......
02-14-2019, 03:01 PM
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I expect a $3500ish price increase on the base 2.0t TLX vs the current base TLX 2.4 and the fully loaded Type-S 3.0 turbo should be in the $53-55K range which is still MUCH less expensive than comparably equipped European cars. Given it will be on an all new Acura sedan platform (no Honda relation here) with front double wishbones, TrueTouch infotainment, possible optional Precision Cockpit infotainment, much, MUCH better interior materials, wood/aluminum, updated IDS, adaptive dampers, front 6 piston Brembo’s on Type-S, Type-S exclusive wheels, seats, door panels, steering wheel, interior trim, ELS Studio 3D audio, available SH-AWD on the 2.0t, standard SH-AWD on the Type-S, 10AT, all new DOHC, iVTEC, 3.0 V6 single turbo with an all new VTEC system we’ve never seen before (similar to Porsche’s Variocam), with a possible 48 volt system with an e-Motor for the turbo for instant spool characteristics.......
02-14-2019, 09:11 PM
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I recieved some detailed information (of which I cant show/post directly) well over a year ago about the TLX and Acura’s direction. I know a lot about the TLX-S, more than I should actually. My pricing was based on the fact that the TLX is moving up in its segment which would put the base car around $36,500 of which I think is competitive vs the 330i, A4 2.0t Quattro and C300 which all start a few grand higher with less equipment. I follow market trends and follow how Honda/Acura tend to deliver and execute product, combine that with the info I get and come up with my own assumptions which are usually pretty damn close. I know I’m pretty spot on when it comes to equipment/features, engines, SH-AWD etc etc as I can confirm that and I should be fairly close in price also.
02-15-2019, 01:14 PM
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SuperHandlingTL sounds like a credible poster from TOV and if so, nothing stated here wasnt before and will likely be very close to reality. Hopefully we will get confirmation at NY auto show, just hope Type S is 12 months max away and not 24 months like some rumors.
02-15-2019, 01:22 PM
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I am also anticipating the next generation TLX ,specifically the Type S. However, I will probably wait for the mid model refresh of the generation so that the bugs are all sorted out.
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02-15-2019, 02:01 PM
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Historically, the Type S model came with the MMC version.
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02-15-2019, 03:47 PM
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I’m CivicB18 on TOV. I sent Jeff some info and a diagram last year. He posted it. Honda saw the info and tracked me down. They actually came to my place of employment to question my knowledge. It went over smoothly and I got to ride in the Honda attorneys 2018 NSX!!!
02-15-2019, 04:01 PM
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I’m CivicB18 on TOV. I sent Jeff some info and a diagram last year. He posted it. Honda saw the info and tracked me down. They actually came to my place of employment to question my knowledge. It went over smoothly and I got to ride in the Honda attorneys 2018 NSX!!!
02-15-2019, 07:44 PM
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Welcome to AZ, CivicB18! I do recognize that handle from TOV.
02-15-2019, 08:29 PM
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Last go at a TypeS G3 was the last 2 or 3 years of production.
02-15-2019, 08:57 PM
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02-15-2019, 08:59 PM
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02-15-2019, 10:05 PM
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I guess Acura felt that the 4G TL SH-AWD could fill that void, with its 25 extra hp and torque vectoring AWD system. I suppose the 4.5G 6MT was a last ditch effort to attract TL-S type buyers for that generation.
02-16-2019, 07:03 AM
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I’m CivicB18 on TOV. I sent Jeff some info and a diagram last year. He posted it. Honda saw the info and tracked me down. They actually came to my place of employment to question my knowledge. It went over smoothly and I got to ride in the Honda attorneys 2018 NSX!!!
02-16-2019, 05:02 PM
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02-16-2019, 05:33 PM
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I expect a $3500ish price increase on the base 2.0t TLX vs the current base TLX 2.4 and the fully loaded Type-S 3.0 turbo should be in the $53-55K range which is still MUCH less expensive than comparably equipped European cars. Given it will be on an all new Acura sedan platform (no Honda relation here) with front double wishbones, TrueTouch infotainment, possible optional Precision Cockpit infotainment, much, MUCH better interior materials, wood/aluminum, updated IDS, adaptive dampers, front 6 piston Brembo’s on Type-S, Type-S exclusive wheels, seats, door panels, steering wheel, interior trim, ELS Studio 3D audio, available SH-AWD on the 2.0t, standard SH-AWD on the Type-S, 10AT, all new DOHC, iVTEC, 3.0 V6 single turbo with an all new VTEC system we’ve never seen before (similar to Porsche’s Variocam), with a possible 48 volt system with an e-Motor for the turbo for instant spool characteristics.......
02-16-2019, 05:58 PM
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Thanks!
02-16-2019, 08:23 PM
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02-16-2019, 09:58 PM
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The NSX V6tt was designed specifically for the NSX and to sit longitudinally. Its also a 75 degree design and the components are manufactured by Cosworth. Its an expensive, race be design that’s way overbuilt and way too expensive like something for the TLX-S. The TLX-S will actually use iVTEC (an all new version) DOHC’s, dual VTC, have 3.0 liters of displacement, chain driven cams, single turbo, 60 degree V and its designed to be use in transverse applications.
02-16-2019, 10:02 PM
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A lot of the above items were what differentiated the 3rd gen type S over the TL. Seats, interior finishes, aluminum pedals, type S wheels, type S steering wheel and so on. I think most of us here expect those along with the turbo v6. An S5 premium plus quattro is sub 57K with virtual cockpit. 349hp and 4.4 seconds 0-60 and I think that is a twin turbo motor. The type S really should come in sub 50K or preferably several thousand less than that if they want to sell a quantity similar to the current RL sales. At 53 to 55k they will not be flying off the lots. I typically don't lease but getting into that range I probably would consider it more and then I don't have to worry about long term reliability and ownership costs of a German car. Although Acura seems to be rated less reliable these days than most cars but I don't believe that for the most part.
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02-17-2019, 07:45 AM
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The NSX V6tt was designed specifically for the NSX and to sit longitudinally. Its also a 75 degree design and the components are manufactured by Cosworth. Its an expensive, race be design that’s way overbuilt and way too expensive like something for the TLX-S. The TLX-S will actually use iVTEC (an all new version) DOHC’s, dual VTC, have 3.0 liters of displacement, chain driven cams, single turbo, 60 degree V and its designed to be use in transverse applications.
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02-17-2019, 09:16 AM
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Sub $50k for a performance based, luxury sedan with a turbo V6? Keep in mind that Audi you’re speaking of isn’t fully equipped at that price nor are the M340i or the C43 AMG. The current TLX Advance SH-AWD is around $47k so how would Acura make the Type-S fall under $50k? The Type-S will more than likely come fully equipped so a $53-55K fully equipped, it’ll still have a solid value advantage vs the Europeans.
Now if it comes with the virtual cockpit, heads up display in addition to all the luxury options the advance model has then I guess it pushes into the 50's. I may be wrong but I don't see a turbo adding huge costs to the car. Honda has had turbo's in their civics for years now that sell for about 20k (not saying it's the same but they have shown to be able to deliver it cost effective). Regardless if priced too high they will sit on lots and the discounts will eventually roll in. Hopefully they strike a balance with appointing the car well but keeping the cost to a level where they will move some units. Really wish they would 86 the RL and bring out a coupe. Can't be too hard to top RL sales numbers. Lexus, BMW and Audi all have nice performance coupes that are not NSX priced. Acura just for whatever reason threw up the white flag in that area years back and gave up.
02-17-2019, 10:37 AM
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I have some issues with the Audi Prestige pricing. $57K and you don't get leather seats (That's an extra $1K). Also, if you want cooled seats you lose the sport seats plus another $800 for 19s (At this price point I think it should be standard). Sport package (Rear differential) is another $2,500 (Need to make it comparable to the SH-AWD). Even at $55K, the TLX-S would be a bargain. I'm thinking with the release of the G70 topping out with the sport at $52,495 (With delivery) I'm thinking the bottom end of the spread that SuperHandlingTL is estimating. Based on the new RDX and if it comes with everything above and they're testing it against a 349 HP S4 and a 385 HP C43 then I'm in.
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02-17-2019, 10:43 AM
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It will be a FWD based sedan, that's why they don't put twin turbo on the new V6 (although Ford has been doing this for years on their FWD Lincolns)
48V is definitely in the plays in order to eliminate turbo lags and to keep up with Audi S4 and Volvo S60.
48V is definitely in the plays in order to eliminate turbo lags and to keep up with Audi S4 and Volvo S60.
02-18-2019, 01:41 PM
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Ford has been doing it for years on the Ford branded vehicles as well (Taurus SHO, Fusion Sport, Edge ST), not only Lincolns.
I do not want to doubt SuperHandlingTL but, call me skeptical, I will believe in this super TLX when I will see it at dealerships....if even a fully fledged luxury marque such as Lexus is considering the discontinuing of the GS and IS.....
02-18-2019, 09:16 PM
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Single Turbo? I was trying to find pro/cons of single vs twin turbo and found that single turbo helps with space savings but will take more time to spool, so a turbo lag. May be, they have decided to use 48v mild hybrid system to reduce/eliminate that turbo lag. Also think single turbo will be cheaper to make/maintain vs twin turbo.
02-18-2019, 09:24 PM
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The Audi at that price is not the base model and has the virtual cockpit which most likely Acura will not have. The next prestige is 60k and has some items I doubt Acura will offer on a Type S. I believe Ikeda stated in the past the S will be performance oriented so it likely may not be "fully" equipped with all the luxury options the advance has. Just like the A-Spec is currently. 3rd Gen base to type-S difference was about 4.5k and you could probably say currently the A-Spec has most of the non-mechanical items to some degree a type S would have had if it had been released mid cycle on the current gen. That would still leave about 6k for the other upgrades.
Now if it comes with the virtual cockpit, heads up display in addition to all the luxury options the advance model has then I guess it pushes into the 50's. I may be wrong but I don't see a turbo adding huge costs to the car. Honda has had turbo's in their civics for years now that sell for about 20k (not saying it's the same but they have shown to be able to deliver it cost effective). Regardless if priced too high they will sit on lots and the discounts will eventually roll in. Hopefully they strike a balance with appointing the car well but keeping the cost to a level where they will move some units. Really wish they would 86 the RL and bring out a coupe. Can't be too hard to top RL sales numbers. Lexus, BMW and Audi all have nice performance coupes that are not NSX priced. Acura just for whatever reason threw up the white flag in that area years back and gave up.
Now if it comes with the virtual cockpit, heads up display in addition to all the luxury options the advance model has then I guess it pushes into the 50's. I may be wrong but I don't see a turbo adding huge costs to the car. Honda has had turbo's in their civics for years now that sell for about 20k (not saying it's the same but they have shown to be able to deliver it cost effective). Regardless if priced too high they will sit on lots and the discounts will eventually roll in. Hopefully they strike a balance with appointing the car well but keeping the cost to a level where they will move some units. Really wish they would 86 the RL and bring out a coupe. Can't be too hard to top RL sales numbers. Lexus, BMW and Audi all have nice performance coupes that are not NSX priced. Acura just for whatever reason threw up the white flag in that area years back and gave up.
02-19-2019, 07:02 AM
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Since the TLX is going to start at 36K and move up in the market (which I think is great), does this mean they're plans to redesign the ILX? I can't believe it's still on the same platform as 2013.......
They also need to do something with the RLX. 2019 and it still doesn't have AC or AA.
They also need to do something with the RLX. 2019 and it still doesn't have AC or AA.
02-19-2019, 11:36 PM
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Since the TLX is going to start at 36K and move up in the market (which I think is great), does this mean they're plans to redesign the ILX? I can't believe it's still on the same platform as 2013.......
They also need to do something with the RLX. 2019 and it still doesn't have AC or AA.
They also need to do something with the RLX. 2019 and it still doesn't have AC or AA.
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02-20-2019, 12:29 AM
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I wonder if the bread and butter version of the new TLX could be the turbo 4 with the right transmission, perhaps the current very smooth 8 DCT or the 7 DCT from the RLX, rather than the 10 speed and a nice 250-275 HP, 250+ torque and good fuel economy?
02-20-2019, 04:16 AM
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- 2.0t/10AT FWD
-2.0t/10AT SH-AWD
-2.0t/???? Hybrid FWD (we wont see the Hybrid until the refresh)
-3.0t/10AT SH-AWD Type-S
The 2.0t in the TLX should be identical to the 272hp unit in the RDX.
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02-20-2019, 08:49 AM
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The 7DCT from the RLX Sport Hybrid is designed specifically for the Sport Hybrid system which is why the RLX Sport Hybrid and MDX Sport Hybrid are the only models currently that use it. The 8DCT cant handle the torque of the 2.0t. Here’s how the 2020 TLX will be offered:
- 2.0t/10AT FWD
-2.0t/10AT SH-AWD
-2.0t/???? Hybrid FWD (we wont see the Hybrid until the refresh)
-3.0t/10AT SH-AWD Type-S
The 2.0t in the TLX should be identical to the 272hp unit in the RDX.
02-20-2019, 08:57 AM
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Good news is NYIAS is now less than two months away.
Press Preview – 4/17/19-4/18/19
Public Show Dates – 4/19/19-4/28/19
Also, was just on Acura.com and they are advertising Grand Prix of Long Beach 4/12/19-4/14/19. Wonder if we could see a special pace car?
Press Preview – 4/17/19-4/18/19
Public Show Dates – 4/19/19-4/28/19
Also, was just on Acura.com and they are advertising Grand Prix of Long Beach 4/12/19-4/14/19. Wonder if we could see a special pace car?
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