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Old 12-05-2014, 09:41 PM
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Acura TLX V6 Under Stop Sale and Recall Notice (transmission problem)?

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It is true. See these threads.

https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...nction-922207/

https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...letins-914607/
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Well that's not going to help sales at all........
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*should read under

Acura TLX V6 Uder Stop Sale and Recall Notice(transmission problem)?

I was planning to buy this car next weekend
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Acura TLX V6 Uder Stop Sale and Recall Notice(transmission problem)?

I was planning to buy this car next weekend
That one you want my not have that issue... if it does, they will fix it but still not a good feeling,
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I was planning to buy this car next weekend
I am biased, but this would not stop me from buying one right now, or enjoying the one that I have. If it is critical to your livelihood or will be extremely inconvenient to have it spend a day or two in service to be corrected, then wait for the hold to be lifted or find another car.
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wow it used to be that Honda/Acura had the fewest recalls but now...they are almost as bad a GM
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
wow it used to be that Honda/Acura had the fewest recalls but now...they are almost as bad a GM
Good thing you don't exaggerate
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Interesting that it is the ZF kit, not their homegrown 8-speed, that has the problem.
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Interesting that it is the ZF kit, not their homegrown 8-speed, that has the problem.
From what I gather, it's the portion that sets the parking mechanism pin into the drive end of the transmission and not the transmission part itself that is the problem.. meaning it doesn't effect the driving ability.. but yeah, it's odd that this is an intermittent problem.

I had an old Galaxy 500 back when that had a problem with popping out of park because the set pin was worn down.

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Yes, it would be good to have Sharon back. She was a good for PR and provided insight on the reported problems with honest and upfront comments on how they were being handled, e.g., the unanticipated demand for the spare tire and their supply challenges.

Be upfront about the problem and demonstrate how it is being handled and they will win over the majority of customers and potential buyers.
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
wow it used to be that Honda/Acura had the fewest recalls but now...they are almost as bad a GM
Almost as bad might not be accurate. Every GM division is ahead of Acura in the J D Power initial quality survey.

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Originally Posted by Quandry
Yes, it would be good to have Sharon back. She was a good for PR and provided insight on the reported problems with honest and upfront comments on how they were being handled, e.g., the unanticipated demand for the spare tire and their supply challenges.

Be upfront about the problem and demonstrate how it is being handled and they will win over the majority of customers and potential buyers.
Her name was Pam, not Sharon.
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My tranny seems to work fine. Have put the car in park on an inclined driveway and it holds. However, I'm going to be using the parking brake from now on especially on a less than level surface. I don't know how Acura would be able to know which cars might be affected so they may have to inspect them all if they can. Replacing the trannys won't do the bottom line much good and the bad press won't help sales. Just what Acura didn't need.

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Almost as bad might not be accurate. Every GM division is ahead of Acura in the J D Power initial quality survey.

2014 U.S. Initial Quality Study (IQS) | J.D. Power
I take these rankings with a grain of salt. I don't keep my cars for 100 days.
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
wow it used to be that Honda/Acura had the fewest recalls but now...they are almost as bad a GM
I disagree. Honda is being more proactive in part because of the Takata airbag issue, which has them under intense scrutiny by both the Feds and the public. Because of the Takata situation, the more recent GM recall-fest, and Toyota's well known issues from a couple of years ago, there is more scrutiny.

In any case, better to get this resolved early in the model life of the car than after someone has had an accident, or after many years. The TLX has been out only four months, and there are relatively few V6 TLXs on the road, and fewer SH-AWDs. I say it will hurt sales in the short term (weeks) and not in the long term.
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^^ Agree here...they detected an issue early in the life cycle/ sales cycle of the car, so if it gets corrected now and will not be an issue on this model in the future, it should become a non issue. The only way it can hurt Acura is if people who would potentially buy a TLX V6 can't, need a car immediately, and get something else. It wouldn't steer me away from the brand based on this event.
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Originally Posted by smoooov
My tranny seems to work fine. Have put the car in park on an inclined driveway and it holds. However, I'm going to be using the parking brake from now on especially on a less than level surface. I don't know how Acura would be able to know which cars might be affected so they may have to inspect them all if they can. Replacing the trannys won't do the bottom line much good and the bad press won't help sales. Just what Acura didn't need.

Using the e-brake is a good idea for peace of mind. You may also want to turn your wheels toward the curb - assuming there is one.
In terms of knowing which or how many trannys are impacted - it will be determined by complaints/incidents and the due diligence reports by the dealers. This combined with working with the tranny manufacturer and their documentation (lot and device history records) should narrow down the impacted cars. I say "narrow down" with my fingers crossed.
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I always use the parking brake, even in an automatic. People I know in the real world think I'm weird for doing that, but since I learned to drive on a manual and have driven manuals for most of my driving life, it is an ingrained habit.

9AT V6 TLX owners will have to use the parking brake for the time being while this is being sorted out.
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
I always use the parking brake, even in an automatic. People I know in the real world think I'm weird for doing that, but since I learned to drive on a manual and have driven manuals for most of my driving life, it is an ingrained habit.

9AT V6 TLX owners will have to use the parking brake for the time being while this is being sorted out.
I'm driving manuals since I was 14 but never use parking break on even surfaces, first or reverse gears, never had issues for 20 years. Only use if downhill or uphill though...
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Originally Posted by 9SpeedTran
Interesting that it is the ZF kit, not their homegrown 8-speed, that has the problem.
You mean no 8-DCT problems yet. You never know. Maybe it just needs more time.

Honda Issues Third Consecutive Recall Over DCT on New Fit and Vezel Hybrids

It looks like Honda is having some persisting problems with the software program controlling the 7-speed dual clutch transmission (DCT) on the latest generation of the Fit Hybrid and the newly introduced Vezel Hybrid crossover, as the Japanese carmaker has announced the third consecutive recall related to the defect of the 7-speed DCT.

In the latest recall that affects 81,353 units of the new hybrid versions of the Fit hatchback and the Vezel crossover produced in Japan from July 2013 through February 2014, Honda said a glitch with the transmission software can cause a delay in the ability to begin driving or the inability to move at all.
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These are not bad technologies, but since they are new and more complex, there's a greater liklihood of failure/problems. If we had automatics and manuals from 20 years ago, they'd probably never break, but you wouldn't have the benefits of better mpg and the like as we have now. I'm sure it will all be corrected as time passes.
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You mean no 8-DCT problems yet. You never know. Maybe it just needs more time.

Honda Issues Third Consecutive Recall Over DCT on New Fit and Vezel Hybrids
Yet. This is true. However, remember that the Fit/Vezel system is different and has more in common with the RLX than the TLX. A lot more software is needed to seamlessly blend the operation of the electric motor with the gas engine output. Recall that the RLX Hybrid has had a slow/delayed launch that might have been due to the lessons learned from the Fit/Vezel.
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It is why I never ever bought a first year car . There always gonna be some problems, small or large. Just be patient if you really like the car, wait a bit .
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It is why I never ever bought a first year car . There always gonna be some problems, small or large. Just be patient if you really like the car, wait a bit .
Usually a wise move, but my 1st gen 2004 Acura TSX never gave me an issue.

So far my I4 TLX gave me one incident but it was repaired. My I4 has run great ever since. Wow! I could've had a V6, but I really enjoy my I4.
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Originally Posted by smoooov
My tranny seems to work fine. Have put the car in park on an inclined driveway and it holds. However, I'm going to be using the parking brake from now on especially on a less than level surface. I don't know how Acura would be able to know which cars might be affected so they may have to inspect them all if they can. Replacing the trannys won't do the bottom line much good and the bad press won't help sales. Just what Acura didn't need.
This begs the question - does the transmission manufacturer absorb the cost for this - or is it the Honda implementation of the transmission that caused the issue?
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This begs the question - does the transmission manufacturer absorb the cost for this - or is it the Honda implementation of the transmission that caused the issue?
That's kinda what I was thinking. I don't think its the implementation as much as who actually assembles this tranny, Honda or ZF. Then again, is it an assembly issue or a design issue? I suppose it will get sorted out one way or another.

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Sounds like an Acura assembly/design issue.
TFL Exclusive: The 2015 Acura TLX V6 is Under Stop Sale and Recall Notice Due to 9-Speed Transmission Problem | TFLCar.com: Automotive News, Views and ReviewsThe Fast Lane Car: Auto News, Views, and Reviews

btw, I could only find one reference to the story....so take that for what it is....seems strange that it is not all over the web.

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I was supposed to go into a dealer here in Dallas today to drive a SH-AWD. I sent the salesman a text with the URL of this story and asked if it was true. He said it was, but it was VIN specific. He said they sent the cars back that were affected. He didn't have a SH-AWD Advanced for me to test drive today.
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Honda/Acura needs to stop making automatics altogether. They've been shitty for over a decade now. Granted, there have been improvements, but you'd think that by now it would be a non issue.

This would never be a problem if it was a 6MT
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It is why I never ever bought a first year car . There always gonna be some problems, small or large. Just be patient if you really like the car, wait a bit.
You are welcome. Sorry I could not wait, and I am happy to have gotten a first year, early production model so that I could get all the problems worked out for you.
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Honda/Acura needs to stop making automatics altogether. They've been shitty for over a decade now. Granted, there have been improvements, but you'd think that by now it would be a non issue.
Shhhh. Don't say that too loudly, my car might hear and decide that it wants to join the club.
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Originally Posted by TacoBello
Honda/Acura needs to stop making automatics altogether.

This would never be a problem if it was a 6MT
I see what you did there.
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Originally Posted by quantum7
Sounds like an Acura assembly/design issue.
TFL Exclusive: The 2015 Acura TLX V6 is Under Stop Sale and Recall Notice Due to 9-Speed Transmission Problem | TFLCar.com: Automotive News, Views and ReviewsThe Fast Lane Car: Auto News, Views, and Reviews

btw, I could only find one reference to the story....so take that for what it is....seems strange that it is not all over the web.
If this is accurate it's a ZF issue:

"During manufacturing of the 9 speed automatic transmission, it is possible that contamination may cause the parking pawl not to engage or the park rod may have been damaged during assembly and could dislodge, both of which can prevent the transmission from shifting into the Park position. Although the shift indicator will display “Park”, the Park Lock may not engage allowing the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash.”
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That's kinda what I was thinking. I don't think its the implementation as much as who actually assembles this tranny, Honda or ZF. Then again, is it an assembly issue or a design issue? I suppose it will get sorted out one way or another.
The official Acura service bulletin that was posted by EE4Life a few days ago said it was an issue caused by "contamination" during the manufacturing process. I'm guessing it won't affect all of vehicles.

Here is the actual service bulletin from Acura for those that may not have seen it yet (thanks again goes to EE4Life for posting in a couple of other threads on the same topic) :

http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B14-050.PDF

Interestingly enough it only affects about 11,000 cars total (US and Canada combined) from what someone else posted. The service bulletin also says that it's VIN-based, so it seems it doesn't affect all V6's (?).
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Interestingly enough it only affects about 11,000 cars total (US and Canada combined) from what someone else posted. The service bulletin also says that it's VIN-based, so it seems it doesn't affect all V6's (?).
Up until the end of November, 15,293 TLX's have been sold in the U.S. while 1,633 have been sold in Canada. What's the sales split between I4 and V6, 50/50? 60/40?

Since this is just a V6 issue, it seems like this could have affected a large majority of them.
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Originally Posted by TacoBello
Honda/Acura needs to stop making automatics altogether. They've been shitty for over a decade now. Granted, there have been improvements, but you'd think that by now it would be a non issue.

This would never be a problem if it was a 6MT
Prior to that they made some of the jerkiest shifting automatics in the biz, the 90-97 Accord automatics were bad. Especially that 1st to 2nd gear transition!

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Originally Posted by TacoBello
Honda/Acura needs to stop making automatics altogether. They've been shitty for over a decade now. Granted, there have been improvements, but you'd think that by now it would be a non issue.

This would never be a problem if it was a 6MT
Honda does makes one of the smoothest 6mt's.

Nissan / Infiniti on the other hand, makes some of the clunkiest 6mt's out there. And the engagement point is way too high. Which caused a lot of jerkiness for the passengers.
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I have been researching this TSB and do not see anywhere that there is a "STPO SALE" order in place. The sales manager at the dealership I go to told me that there is no "STOP SALE" in place.

Am I missing something?

There is a huge difference between a TSB/Recall and a stop sale.
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Originally Posted by Stew4HD
I have been researching this TSB and do not see anywhere that there is a "STPO SALE" order in place. The sales manager at the dealership I go to told me that there is no "STOP SALE" in place.

Am I missing something?

There is a huge difference between a TSB/Recall and a stop sale.
From everything I have read I have the impression that they have identified a specific range of VINs with this potential problem. I would not be surprised if there is an embargo on selling vehicles in that VIN range until they have been tested or the trannys have been replaced. I wish they would publish the list of VIN numbers so that current owners could check. However, it appears this information may not be available until the January 6th recall. In the interim I am using my parking brake.


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