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01-22-2018, 02:58 AM
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I would agree that Audis interiors present very nicely, but frankly i find the materials similar in quality to Acura, in terms of soft foam dashes (thinking A4 and Q5) and use of plastics. Leather wise, you need to move up to Sport seats to get something reasonably soft and comparable to the Milano leather, but a little better bolstered. The virtual dash is cool high tech, but honestly, If I can play with a larger viewing area in the middle of the two gauges, I doubt very much I would be constantly changing the whole array. To me, a larger navigation presentation in front of me would be the main benefit. Audis don't have the most intuitive controls, but tech savvy drivers will get used to them quickly, unlike two screens where it seems German car loving reviewers and millennials seem to have trouble adjusting to anything that doesn't look like an Ipad...heh heh.
The "proposed" RDX interior will certainly be very competitive in the segment. I'm presuming with the 1-1 touch pad control, the driver will never be locked out of using all menus while driving. The new voice system also looks very promising, especially if we Canadians can put in an entire address with one voice command.
I guess a CD player and Hard Drive is out - which is kinda sad for those of us that have 1800 songs on the HD and can access whatever we want by voice, whenever we want it. Sigh...progress....
The "proposed" RDX interior will certainly be very competitive in the segment. I'm presuming with the 1-1 touch pad control, the driver will never be locked out of using all menus while driving. The new voice system also looks very promising, especially if we Canadians can put in an entire address with one voice command.
I guess a CD player and Hard Drive is out - which is kinda sad for those of us that have 1800 songs on the HD and can access whatever we want by voice, whenever we want it. Sigh...progress....
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01-22-2018, 10:52 AM
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The soft touch vs hard touch doesn't both me as much in certain areas as Audi's head unit is much more better than the current TLX. I do agree it could be better, but not a deal breaker in most cases.
01-22-2018, 10:54 AM
#204
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Agree that Audi interiors tend to "look" high quality on first glance, but closer examination reveals very hard plastics even in places that are easily seen/touched, including the sun visor and other areas highlighted below. Only when one moves up to the A6/A7 does the quality become more acceptable, and then the A8 for there to be no nitpicks at all. The TLX at least felt soft in all of these areas, and still looks more modern (tech aside) compared to A4's/3er's despite all the gripes.
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01-22-2018, 12:33 PM
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01-22-2018, 07:50 PM
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what about CTR prototype versus production? Yes i know, not everybody is a fan of the it terms of looks, but wouldn't that be a more recent comparison instead of bringing up the TLX launch 4 years ago?
01-22-2018, 09:09 PM
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01-23-2018, 12:49 AM
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I rather just wait and find out what happens with this RDX. I'm hoping for the best, but due to the past, I'm bracing for the worst. Not hating on the RDX at all... it's just what I've come to expect over the last ten years, from Acura.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
01-23-2018, 01:21 AM
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Agreed, I forgot about the CRV platform share and can't tell it was even used. CRV still looks smaller to me than the RDX. They seemed to have done a great job of differentiating them.
01-23-2018, 06:04 AM
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I rather just wait and find out what happens with this RDX. I'm hoping for the best, but due to the past, I'm bracing for the worst. Not hating on the RDX at all... it's just what I've come to expect over the last ten years, from Acura.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
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01-23-2018, 07:00 AM
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And then you sit and it and drive it and live it. Then you don't care about hard plastics you never touch. Sorry, but Acuras are super low quality by comparison. Audi's fit and finish right now is just an ergonomic and design masterpiece. I have tried Merc, Bimmer, Lexus, and Audi and really the Audi is the most strikingly handsome.
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01-23-2018, 07:06 AM
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My Q5 loaner did drive noticeably better than my TLX 4-cyl loaner, which says a lot given that one is a high-riding CUV (mainly due to its 2.0T and the AWD). But take away the virtual cockpit and/or tech package from both and the Audi starts looking more drab. I suppose it's all subjective since everyone has different tastes and levels of tolerance, I just feel Acura puts more effort into using nicer-feeling materials as a result of trimming costs in other areas.
I'm a nitpicker for details, and expect everything to feel high quality if I'm paying more than $30k for a car. I use/touch the sun visor quite a bit, and could see myself bumping my knees against the glovebox or around the center console when moving around inside, or maybe in an accident. If interior quality wasn't important, maybe we'd all be happy driving Subaru, Ford, or GM products
I'm a nitpicker for details, and expect everything to feel high quality if I'm paying more than $30k for a car. I use/touch the sun visor quite a bit, and could see myself bumping my knees against the glovebox or around the center console when moving around inside, or maybe in an accident. If interior quality wasn't important, maybe we'd all be happy driving Subaru, Ford, or GM products
01-23-2018, 09:05 AM
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Let's look at the things that won't change:
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
01-23-2018, 09:09 AM
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Let's look at the things that won't change:
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
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01-23-2018, 09:11 AM
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Speaking of transmissions, it will be interesting to see what engine and transmission Acura might use for the 2020 TLX 2.4 equivalent, IF they have one. Assuming a 2.0 turbo and 10 speed in the 3.5 equivalent, the 11 speed triple clutch and 3.0 turbo in the Type S, perhaps they will use the 1.5 turbo, retuned with over 200 HP and keep the excellent 8 DCT.
01-23-2018, 09:18 AM
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I wonder if people would pay the price for a TLX with a 1.5T.
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
01-23-2018, 09:55 AM
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I wonder if people would pay the price for a TLX with a 1.5T.
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
Then again - if they do away with the ILX then they can have a "cheap" TLX starting with the 1.5T, then the 2.0T and V6T. I get the feeling they want to aim higher (based upon the RDX Proto) in performance (I know I know) so the TLX would have to have some spunk.
01-23-2018, 12:10 PM
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I rather just wait and find out what happens with this RDX. I'm hoping for the best, but due to the past, I'm bracing for the worst. Not hating on the RDX at all... it's just what I've come to expect over the last ten years, from Acura.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
Either way, before Jon Ikeda, whoever the guy was that stepped down- that was a terrible era. Even the prototype reveals weren't necessarily earth shattering- not like the new RDX, anyway. I've noticed some people complain about there being too much Honda in the new RDX (crv platform, Accord engine, etc), but, I personally feel they did a wonderful job on it. While yes, the RDX borrows shit from Honda, it seems very well disguised- and that I have no qualms with. I don't need Acura to produce an all new engine or body, at the cost of a ton of R&D, so they can then cut features out of the car to save on costs. I think they struck a very good balance.
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01-23-2018, 03:03 PM
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This is actually huge IMO - let the new RDX be the beta tester!
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01-23-2018, 03:06 PM
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To add to that, I have a feeling the engine will be a wee bit different than the Accord, just tlike the 2.0T in the CTR is not the same 2.0T in the Accord. I can see Acura shooting for a bit more torque, because SUV, rather than top end horsepower. While the block might be the same, the heads might be tweaked a little. Or intake manifold. Or whatever.
I think the Acura DOHC 3T is going to be as flexible as you can ever want. With a 3.0T I would also expect to see JB4 type boxes that will boost the stock power quite a bit.
01-23-2018, 03:08 PM
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No, I know that. But they went out of their way to differentiate the CTR and Accord Sport engines by changing a number of mechanical bits on them. I know it can be done through just tuning, but I'm getting the feeling they want to maybe give that image that they're different, rather than just a copy-pasta application.
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No, I know that. But they went out of their way to differentiate the CTR and Accord Sport engines by changing a number of mechanical bits on them. I know it can be done through just tuning, but I'm getting the feeling they want to maybe give that image that they're different, rather than just a copy-pasta application.
01-23-2018, 04:08 PM
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Let's look at the things that won't change:
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
1) Acura/RDX get's their own interior, completely separate design from Honda and the CRV.
2) Acura/RDX gets SH-AWD - no Honda branded products have it.
Yes - the powertrain will have shared components (Toyota/Lexus does too!) - but there should be enough higher-end things like adaptive dampers and a different tuning on the turbo to make this a CUV that stands on it's own. Clearly then, this will be the recipe for the TLX and ILX (if it survives) going forward. We'll find out soon enough!
Just a comment on your second point. There are Hondas that currently have SH-AWD but they call it I-VTM4. The system on the new pilot and ridgeline are mechanically and electronically the same as SH-AWD and torque vector in curves the exact same way too. They just don’t call it SH-AWD.
01-23-2018, 04:33 PM
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Just a comment on your second point. There are Hondas that currently have SH-AWD but they call it I-VTM4. The system on the new pilot and ridgeline are mechanically and electronically the same as SH-AWD and torque vector in curves the exact same way too. They just don’t call it SH-AWD.
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01-24-2018, 03:36 AM
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If I’m not mistaken, the iVTM4 system in the Pilot/Ridgeline is pretty much the SH-AWD system from the 07-13 MDX. The 14+ MDX, apparently has a couple of improvements over the old system. But yes, SH-AWD has trickled down to the Honda lineup. After the 2G TLX has been released, I wonder if the Accord will get it...maybe as part of the MMC refresh.
01-24-2018, 06:03 AM
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If I’m not mistaken, the iVTM4 system in the Pilot/Ridgeline is pretty much the SH-AWD system from the 07-13 MDX. The 14+ MDX, apparently has a couple of improvements over the old system. But yes, SH-AWD has trickled down to the Honda lineup. After the 2G TLX has been released, I wonder if the Accord will get it...maybe as part of the MMC refresh.
i-VTM4 in action on said Ridgeline. Pretty impressive. I read on an article that the current SH-AWD / i-VTM4 is similar to the unit on the Focus RS, where there are twin hydraulic clutch packs responsible for distributing power to each rear wheel. However SH-AWD sends at least 10% of power to the rear at all times, which means the clutch packs are always slipping. Is there any concern for long term reliability?
01-24-2018, 02:54 PM
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If I’m not mistaken, the iVTM4 system in the Pilot/Ridgeline is pretty much the SH-AWD system from the 07-13 MDX. The 14+ MDX, apparently has a couple of improvements over the old system. But yes, SH-AWD has trickled down to the Honda lineup. After the 2G TLX has been released, I wonder if the Accord will get it...maybe as part of the MMC refresh.
https://youtu.be/JRgsIIkejOo?t=0m29s
i-VTM4 in action on said Ridgeline. Pretty impressive. I read on an article that the current SH-AWD / i-VTM4 is similar to the unit on the Focus RS, where there are twin hydraulic clutch packs responsible for distributing power to each rear wheel. However SH-AWD sends at least 10% of power to the rear at all times, which means the clutch packs are always slipping. Is there any concern for long term reliability?
i-VTM4 in action on said Ridgeline. Pretty impressive. I read on an article that the current SH-AWD / i-VTM4 is similar to the unit on the Focus RS, where there are twin hydraulic clutch packs responsible for distributing power to each rear wheel. However SH-AWD sends at least 10% of power to the rear at all times, which means the clutch packs are always slipping. Is there any concern for long term reliability?
01-24-2018, 03:37 PM
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I wonder if people would pay the price for a TLX with a 1.5T.
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
I know in reality it makes little difference in the real world, but, it sounds like the 2.4L is mightier than a 1.5T (at least on paper, anyway... ooo.. more displacement.. more power!).... and in the luxury market, those kinds of numbers sell.
Maple, would you buy a TLX with the 1.5T?
01-24-2018, 03:42 PM
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[QUOTE=RDX10;16172229]Haha all god man! Glad I could help
It is the 16+ MDX that uses the new hydraulic SH-AWD, not the 14+ models. I really doubt that the Accord would ever get AWD because at that point why even buy a TLX?
If the TLX retains it's good looks and has improvements similar to the proposed RDX, some good reasons to buy the TLX. The Accord is a nice car, but I am not enamoured with the look, and of course the interior of a TLX should be nicer.
It is the 16+ MDX that uses the new hydraulic SH-AWD, not the 14+ models. I really doubt that the Accord would ever get AWD because at that point why even buy a TLX?
If the TLX retains it's good looks and has improvements similar to the proposed RDX, some good reasons to buy the TLX. The Accord is a nice car, but I am not enamoured with the look, and of course the interior of a TLX should be nicer.
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01-24-2018, 05:54 PM
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Indeed. The 1G TLX MMC with the diamond grill looks pretty good already, so it would be pretty hard for them to mess it up. But then again, this is Acura so who knows. Since we're on the topic of the 'TLX should be nicer', I'm wondering what kind of upgrades we'll see over the RDX since it's a tier up. We already know a V6T is coming as a possible Type-S, and it should get all the goodies the 2019 RDX is getting.
Here are some guesses:
- Full digital cockpit
- Power trunk lid
- Slightly better and higher wattage sound system
- More aggressive adaptive sport dampers
- Quad exhaust
Haha all god man! Glad I could help
It is the 16+ MDX that uses the new hydraulic SH-AWD, not the 14+ models. I really doubt that the Accord would ever get AWD because at that point why even buy a TLX?
If the TLX retains it's good looks and has improvements similar to the proposed RDX, some good reasons to buy the TLX. The Accord is a nice car, but I am not enamoured with the look, and of course the interior of a TLX should be nicer.
It is the 16+ MDX that uses the new hydraulic SH-AWD, not the 14+ models. I really doubt that the Accord would ever get AWD because at that point why even buy a TLX?
If the TLX retains it's good looks and has improvements similar to the proposed RDX, some good reasons to buy the TLX. The Accord is a nice car, but I am not enamoured with the look, and of course the interior of a TLX should be nicer.
Since we're on the topic of the 'TLX should be nicer', I'm wondering what kind of upgrades we'll see over the RDX since it's a tier up. We already know a V6T is coming as a possible Type-S, and it should get all the goodies the 2019 RDX is getting.Here are some guesses:
- Full digital cockpit
- Power trunk lid
- Slightly better and higher wattage sound system
- More aggressive adaptive sport dampers
- Quad exhaust
01-24-2018, 06:18 PM
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If what you are saying is true about the IVTM-4 using hydraulic clutch packs then that means the new pilot and ridgeline are using the same SH-AWD system as the new MDX because the original SH-AWD system used electromagnetic clutches and the new system uses hydraulic clutches. Now as for your question on long term reliability, even the older SH-AWD systems always send 10% power to the rear wheels and there are numerous older Acura models with hundreds of thousands of miles and not a single issue with the SH-AWD system. So do not worry about reliability. Now the new system with hydraulic clutches is new, but it still works on the same principle as the original electromagnetic clutches.
The new SH-AWD did away with the planetary gear systems and just has the clutch packs alone, and those are constantly slipping to transfer that minimum of 10%. The article I linked says that this is possible because of advanced manufacturing techniques that produce friction material with high wear properties and can still maintain good reliability. I'm sure that it's a wet clutch system, so the differential fluids are helping to keep the clutch packs from wearing too quickly, but the fact remains that it is still slipping anyway. Maybe I'm just overthinking things and this is a non issue.
01-25-2018, 01:35 AM
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In the past, Acura is Honda+. Seems like going forward, it's more like Honda+++
My understanding is that the RDX 2.0T will be more similar to the one in the Accord. The turbo in the CTR is designed for more top end power and it has much more potential for big power gains. The K20C4 uses a smaller turbo and the engine is tuned for better low and mid range torque, minimizing turbo lag. I suspect the 2.0T in the RDX will be using the same turbo, but tuned to run on premium fuel, along with a few other mods to unlock some more power. I'm guessing 275hp and 285lbft.
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