svtmike

TacoBello

Ok now that all of the excitement is out of the way...

I doubt the real wood trim will make to production.

I doubt the real metal trim will make it to production.

I doubt the 16 way adjustable seats will make it to production.

We know the mirrors won't make it to production.

I bet the HUD will only be on the most expensive package.

I bet the adaptive suspension will only be on the most expensive package.

I bet the 21 inch wheels are an A-spec option. Otherwise it will be 19s or 18s for lower trims. 19s or 20s for the higher trims.

Anything else to consider? Unfortunately, as badass of a vehicle the whole package is, I just can't fathom the price tag for it all. I get the feeling Acura can't either and as such, won't give us it all. For those who cry that Acura needs to give us more excitement for the same price... we have no idea what Acura profit margins are and it is asinine to think we do. They price their vehicles as they see fit and we can choose to buy, or not. That's about it.

svtmike

That red will never see anything but the show circuit.

TacoBello

Yes agreed. To me that's not a huge deal though. I mean, it is a gorgeous color and I do like it, but it'll look good in other colors also, so no harm no foul. Honda has had some nice deep reds in the past though. Not like this- but still nice. Maybe they'll offer a different version of red.

tdottsx

finally a much better infotainment centre!!! And yes they should offer this colour, it looks incredible!

TacoBello

Isn't that the red NSX color? Isn't it like a 6000 dollar premium for the NSX? Something tells me it won't be offered on the RDX. Maybe at the MMC...

CaliAtenza

So, as you guys may or may not recall, I broke the news on here, a while back, that the Type-S would return AND the TLX-Type S would get 400+ hp . Nice to be validated! Not sure why you guys aren't more excited about this?! A TLX-S is probably going to be my next car

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I was thinking the same thing about the real wood/metal trim. Those type of things really only matter on pricey vehicles where you expect it, not on a car/CUV/SUV designed for the masses (albeit not a cheap CUV) like the RDX. I could see the 16 way seats making it on the advanced model. I think you have to go Advanced to get the HUD, 3D sound system and nicer seats etc. Who knows - they may be willing to overlap on the MDX and price the SH-AWD Advance package around 50k. Will be fun to watch how it all shakes out!

kurtatx

Acura’s tendency to make “concept/prototype” models that look like production models is sad. I’m just ready for the neutering of the thing.

MSZ

Yep, the base model is going to look godawful.

They aren't going to give you 275/21 tires like the ones on the RDX showcar even for the future Type-S model.

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mapleloaf

Of course some of the high end features will be on the higher trim models. You ain't getting all this stuff for nothing! As for the real aluminum and wood, I would expect to see that on the Advance/Elite models, much like the real wood trim on the MDX. It was specifically mentioned in the presentation, so I bet it will be an option. Given that we are perhaps 6-8 months away from release, I would not expect the overall look to change much, if at all. I also suspect the "accidental" pics with an ASpec bumper is no accident.

BEAR-AvHistory

Excuse me but where did I say it was faster in all cases? I said try it before you write it off. The 1.5T is a full liter smaller then the 2.4L but overall the 2.4L does not run like its a liter bigger even at 60MPH. Using your 5MT road tests I think most people buying new cars in that price range will not actually notice much difference since its a dead even tie to 50MPH, your results may vary.

BTW in the interest of un-cherry picking I noticed you forgot? to include the 2.4 AT vs the 1.5T AT. Cutting to the chase as it were 0-60 2.4AT 7.6 seconds 1.5T AT 7.3seconds.

People who want a quicker Accord can go up 500CC to 2.0T & get 0-60 in 5.5 seconds which is quicker then your V6 3.5L TLX which is bigger then the 2.0T by 1.5L.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ec-test-review

Remember your engine is 500CC 1/2L bigger them mine. By the time you get to 60 I will be in the low 70's. What is interesting is the base Stinger GT @ $40K with a 3.3T will also make 70+ as you make 60MPH.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt-test-review

So yes turbos are very good at running way over there displacement compared to N/A engines that you prefer. Nice to see HONDA & by default ACURA seeing the light & abandoning the N/A as each new model comes out.

There is hope yet that they will get back in the game.

a35tl

I wish to goodness that there could be one thread where Saintor and Bear didn't get into their same old bantering over and over!

Saintor

I think that you are lying, as you self-claim being past 70.

hadokenuh

Feels like high school in one of those honor classes, doesn't it?

TacoBello

Yeah, something isn't adding up. I want to believe the article, but as far as physics is concerned, the 1.5T is ahead in every category possible over the 2.4. As you mentioned, lighter car, more torque, earlier torque, better traction, same gear ratios, etc... and it's slower? Something isn't adding up.

I wonder if it is the same as whoever it was trying to dyno the accord 2.0T and failing miserably at it, and publishing completely wrong numbers.

Christopher.

Yes, I am excited for Acura's new direction, the 3.0L V6 Turbo, the new Type S, and, that they will actually deliver cars which will be very satisfying to driving enthusiasts once again.

I expect the "Type S" that I crave will be well outside of my price range though, which is why I keep saying I hope they also redo the ILX but get it right this time. I'll never stop repeating how great it could be to have a properly "Acurized" current gen Civic platform ILX with noise deadening foam, stronger steel/stiffened frame in some parts, Acura aesthetics (rather than boy racer/ricer Honda CTR aesthetics) and perhaps adaptive damping/active suspension? An exciting light little fun to drive Acura (again)? Yes please sign me up now. I want to see an Acura that can match cars like the Golf GTi, MazdaSpeed 3 (and Miata), Audi S3 in terms of "fun to drive" and engaging. [Not [i]just the model to beat the Kia Stinger and Audi A4]

As long as us "bottom feeders" (I can only afford below ~$40K models) get something like a 2.4L Turbo option, I'm happy. I got my current 2018 3.5L V6 TLX Tech model for ~$37K. What I'm hoping (but don't nesc expect) is that the old 2.4L "base" TLX will be updated with the 2.0T engine and they will choose a more powerful option to replace the current 3.5L V6 models and notuse an engine that is better than the 2.0T only in the "Type S".

If the lowest model of the next TLX comes in the 2.0T engine, I'll be happy and "downgrade" to that from my V6 eventually. However, if they are so lame as to try to put a 1.5T in a TLX, all they'd get from me in response to that would be a paper bag of poo at their door step, ring the doorbell, and run behind a bush to watch and laugh...

TacoBello

It will be a 2.0T.

It's upscale of the Accord. The highest Accord engine will be the base engine in the TLX. There's no way they will sell the TLX with 190hp lol.

kurtatx

Makes more economical sense to use the 2.0T wherever possible and then develop performance V6 models. Then you can dump the I4/V6 TLX confusion and go with a 2.0T TLX with 290 HP and a V6T TLX with 340+.

You can do all that with a reasonable price tag. You can get Audis and BMWs for under $40K.

Sedans
TLX (2.0T)/TLX Type-S/R (V6T)/Whatever replaces the RLX

Yeah, it would be lot more expensive to get into the brand, but it appears customers are willing to pay that or go with a Honda. Minimal cannibalism.

Christopher.

I'll be like the boy outside the candy shop looking in the window sadly/longingly at the V6T, but, I'd still be happy with the 2.0T TLX - hopefully they will make a few other incremental improvements such as slightly better brakes, perhaps trim a little bit of weight, and we're probably all very curious to see what happens with the transmission...

No matter what people are saying about current Audis having less reliability issues and Acura not being up to the standard they once were, I'm still sure that the overall cost of ownership/long term maintenance costs are still significantly lower on Acura vs Audi. Who knows, perhaps time will prove me wrong? I shall find out, at least anecdotally with mine. I expect I can get work done at a Honda shop for a lot less than Audi shops typically charge...

JackRydden224

The 2018 V6 A-Spec has a sticker price of $45,000 so it ain't cheap. For about $5,000 more you can get well equiped Audi A4 Quattro with a more powerful engine and a lot more tech. For people looking for a car in that price range then $5,000 isn't much more for the better car especially if you are leasing one.

If the TLX comes with a 300hp/300tq 2.0T engine, 10 speed auto and the new RDX interior I'd gladly pay $50,000 for it.

svtmike

Christopher.

Yes, but, seeing as I got the 2018 V6 Tech package TLX new for ~$36K (sticker price $40K) I'd expect that the 2.0T TLX (non A-Spec/Type S) will be ~$40,000 at most, out the door, for the base models?

I would be surprised if there isn't at least some configuration of next gen Acura ILX/TLX with the 2.0T engine coming in at ~$30K - $35K?

JackRydden224

You are right I should have worded better. The Audi isn't more powerful but it is faster going from 0-60 and quarter mile (at least according to C&D)

OK one more thing I need to word better. Maybe I should have my coffee first before I write more stupid stuff.

You are right I would expect some trim to start in the mid to high $30s with the top trim with everything topping out at $50K. At $50K I would expect to have a lot of the goodies from the new RDX.

Saintor

$50K is what would be expected to pay for a 3.0T engine. 50K$ for a 2.0T would be silly and a very poor value. The added value of V6 is in its smoothness , character and noise that no 2.0Toy can touch as they are so dull.

JackRydden224

You are right, 3.0T for $50K is better, kinda like where the Kia Stinger is priced.

I was thinking $50K for the 2.0T because that's where the Germans are at.

kurtatx

With all the bad off weight and sluggishness in an outdated engine. $50K is a lot for a 2.0T, but it's also too much for a V6. Much more than $50K and we'd best get a turbo 6.

The V6 is dying at the hands of the better 2.0T.

JackRydden224

By V6 I think he meant the new 3.0T V6 Acura will offer not the current 3.5L NA V6

The Germans all use a 2.0T I4 as the base engine and 3.0T I6/V6 as the upgraded engine so I imagine Acura is going to do the same.

I think $50K for a loaded 3.0T V6 sounds about right. It'll be right there with the Kia Stinger and probably the Genesis G70 while undercutting the German 6 cylinder models.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Agreed.

Let's keep this one on-topic and civil. Any off-topic sidebar discussions (feel free to do that via PM or over in Car Talk) or personal attacks will be deleted.

joshuco

I'm interested to see what Acura does with the engines. The 2.0 makes something like 250hp in the Accord and the current V6 makes 290. I assume they'll bump the regular V6 to 300+ and the turbo V6 to make around 400 in a type-s model. I wonder if they'll either detune the 2.0 to make the current V6 a more attractive upgrade.

BEAR-AvHistory

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I think the NA V6 will not be around with the 2nd Gen TLX.

fiatlux

Keep in mind the 2.0T in the Accord is tuned for regular 87 octane. The Acura version will be tuned for premium, so it'll be able to run more aggressive timing and higher boost. Based on my experience with turbocharged motors, even an extra pound of boost should be good for at least 15-20 horsepower at the crank.

BEAR-AvHistory

Relax, five years later & its finally pretty much all over. The get more power side won. The N/A engine is dead & the Turbo is now king in ACURALAND, Long Live the King. All that is left are the funerals starting with the RDX where the N/A Luddites can throw a few flowers into the grave.

ACURA has heard the "why be satisfied with average & hype?" & build a car that can actually do what your adds say it can do. They are going all Turbo 4 & 6 so for the first time in years they will be competitive with their horsepower ratings. If they are mindful of the expenses & price it intelligently they can once again regain the 3G's position as the value leader bang for the buck car.

There main opposition will be the Stinger due to price which is a good thing because it will be an incentive to do better. If they do better they should sell more then 35,000 cars a year & you guys can congratulate yourselves on what a great choice you made.

Saintor

If you think this is high school my friend, don't ever go in the Car Talk section; it is a kinder-garden.

Saintor

The only reason is marketing, for people like you.

Case in evidence, Q50 3.7 2015 vs Q50 3.0T
Compare Side-by-Side

The 3.7 was already booking booking 5-60mph in an astounding 5.3s.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...37-test-review

Almost nothing published for the 3.0T 300HP. This kind of Infiniti non-sense can happen to Acura too.

Of course, the 400HP version does better, but that's not the point. I don't mind a 3.0T, really. The point is having an affordable glorious sounding 6-pot without having to spend 10-12K for it. Instead having to deal with a sh*tty sounding 2.0Toy, that is.

BC01191980

Not sure if Acura is back. Only time will tell!

Mak P

A few years out? What in like 4 years? Next year the TLX should have it, I'm confused at Acura strategy or should I say disappointed at them being so behind. Yeah I'll definitely be in something else by then

FLYGUY31

kurtatx