BEAR-AvHistory

Should have posted below the MB-CLA I4 2T has the same 355 factory HP rating as my I6 3T. So putting muscle into a 4 cylinder car is very doable. Have not seen a dyno's RWHP number for the MB but its very quick & expect its underrated at 355..

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 110 mph
Top speed (gear limited): 158 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 152 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.94 g

keith7120

hmm, kinda reminds me of the 4G TL which was ok after the refresh, but now when I see the 4G they just look kind of odd. I had two of them, an 09 and a 2013.

Honda430

I had a 2014. That car got uglier every day I owned it. There was no saving grace to that design. It was odd from every angle. No aesthetic flow at all.

txl2017

To people who rave about the new Accord - have you test driven one and compared with the V6 '18 TLX ASPEC? Are you sure the Accord is a better car? A TLX sells 5-15K more. What is Honda thinking? Looking at the reaction of the "acura enthusiasts" on this site, I am totally lost as to what Honda is doing by even have an Acura!

as for me personally, I totally live my TLX! Then again I've never driven an accord, new or old. So perhaps I don't know what I am talking about.

JM2010 SH-AWD

The '18 Accord platform will likely serve as the underpinnings for the FMC TLX, whenever that happens, if past is prelude.

So, consider the already-solid Accord platform with more features, better materials, I'm guessing more engine options (will Acura retain the V6?), SH-AWD availability, etc.

Should be a very nice vehicle.

pyrodan007

I'm sure it'll be a fantastic vehicle (provided the 9ZF is gone), the only problem is that the due date is way too far into the future. Who knows what other innovations will come, making it old again. And it won't be the Germans doing the innovations, Honda has no problem destroying it's own luxury brand with cool tech.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

There's a pretty positive buzz around the new Accord (despite it's polarizing design) because it's a new generation and it's a Honda and it has new drivetrain options etc etc. The glowing reviews from the car review guys are fairly typical (I seem to recall the TLX getting the same great reviews - Acura is back!! etc etc ) for first drive reviews. Those guys know where their bread is buttered and if you want to continue to get invites from Honda you generally want to write a glowing review. Not saying there's anything dishonest going on - but rather it's the nature of the business.

Truth be told car enthusiasts tend to deal in hyperbole so it's best to take all this stuff with a grain of salt. I plan on driving one for fun but in no way am I considering buying one.

iforyou

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And there's a new version of the CLA45 with 375hp:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.5 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 25.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 167 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 150 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g

Granted, one of my friends had the earlier version and he blew his stock engine up lol. Luckily it's still under warranty. Both of these run over 26psi...with some noticeably turbo lag though haha. That's a lot of boost for an OEM engine!

2012wagon

Its a fantastic lease special. Abuse for lease term, and return it.

BEAR-AvHistory

Street legal track car, not bad for $70K.

Typical 2T is running 20+PSI. Using some 328/330 parts guys were pulling mid 20PSI with the I6. I ran 18.5PSI with the stock 335 parts & they limited the boost to 20PSI.

There are a lot of ways to blow an engine & the money shift is most common, good reason to run AT or DCT.

BEAR-AvHistory

Interesting point. C&D had a ACCORD 2T VS Civic R 2T piece. Seems like the only difference between the engines is the ACCORD has a smaller turbo. Good hot rodding possibility for any one who would like the ACCORD for size & comfort but wants more zip.

2012wagon

Good article

Turbos aren’t the whole story. The Type R has higher-flow fuel injectors that Kunikane said are designed primarily for a “heavy spray,” whereas the Accord injectors have a wider range of flow rates. With less oxygen in the cylinders due to the lower boost pressure, the Accord’s engine sips less fuel, hence the Accord’s estimated highway rating of 30-plus mpg (with the manual transmission) versus the Type R’s 28 mpg. Aggressive software tuning and required high-octane fuel are the Type R’s finishing touches. Honda also added a balance shaft to the Accord’s engine to quell second-order vibrations. Presumably the Type R driver likes the extra vibrations.


https://blog.caranddriver.com/a-tale...-civic-type-r/


wonder how the turbo accord will do with premium gas and a flash

F23A4

I'm actually feeling compelled towards getting the CLA45.

2012wagon

do it!!!!!

any discounts on them ?

One of our nurses got a cla250 2018 model $5,000 off msrp
she paid $29,300 for it

inknow my local dealer has two gla45 Amg left over with steep discounts

iforyou

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The CLA45 will embarrass a lot of cars on the drag strip for sure!

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I wonder how limited the Accord's injectors are. May be those will need to be replaced too but still wont be too $$. I think the Accord 2.0T is probably making 220-230whp. 300whp shouldn't be too difficult.

BEAR-AvHistory

Good catch, guess I should have said major difference. The flash will depend on how the ECU is encrypted. Same with a piggy back. I know a lot of the newer ECU's are pretty much hack proofed. Dinan who hated piggybacks is now doing piggybacks because they can no longer get into the ECU's to flash them.

BEAR-AvHistory

Pulling 1G out the door on the skidpad will make them a very fast Miatia on track day or at the Auto-X too. Brakes are also solid if they don't fade.

2012wagon

All in all 2.0T 6MT is God’s gift to midsize sedans

cant wait for them

pyrodan007

God's gift to us, Acura's gift from hell related to TLX and ILX lol

2012wagon

even god doesn’t like acura ? LOL

Saintor

And still an engine that sounds like a $15000 econobox. I owned 2 4-cyl. engines Accord. Comptent but *no, thanks*.

There IS a major reason why Toyota keeps a V6 in the new Camry/ES

svtmike

It's so that the drivetrain is as dated as the hideous Pontiac wanna-be styling.

2012wagon

lol

Shadow2056

You've owned the past 2.4 four cylinder engines. Not one of these. I had a customer the other day looking at the CR-V with the 1.5 and she couldn't really tell it was on inside the vehicle.

I've yet to hear it in person. The only downfall I think is the CVT. I hate how those things run. I want to feel a change in gears. Not like my car sounds like it's having a transmission problem not shifting gears.


Lol. Burn

BEAR-AvHistory

MT gave the 1.5T Accord the overall win over the 4 cylinder Camry in their comparison test. 0-60 & 1/4 mile as tie. Slid pad tie, Braking Camry by 13 feet. Fuel economy Accord, Price Accord by $5500 less as tested.

2012wagon

accord is $5500 less than a Camry???!!!!!!!!

WOW

the Civic is whipping the Camry in Sales

now will be double whammy

Accord will kill the Camry too

good thing Toyota has the Tacoma

SebringSilver

Well, I finally took the bait and Googled the 2018 Honda Accord. Seriously, this is the car that everyone’s raving about? I mean, wow, that is ONE UGLY CAR.

TacoBello

I'll take a badass LSD equipped 6MT, mated to a turbo 4 banger and an ugly but lighter, larger and better handling body, over a beauty queen with a slush box and shit dynamics any day of the week. I mean, I won't be happy about it. But at the same time, I will be happy about it. As always, modding will help tone the ugly.

txl2017

This whole thread should be on an Accord forum. What's the point of a topic devoted solely to "TLX killer" on an Acura forum? That's what the mods should do.

svtmike

Doesn't bode well for the next gen TLX.

Not to worry. There are still great cars with great-looking designs. You might have to come to terms with not having a caliper logo on the trunk if you want to own one though.

BEAR-AvHistory

The point is its a car forum & the TLX does not live in a vacuum. Any car forum will have threads on comparing its home car to others. Just like the real word a car needs to stand on its own merits against all comers. If you want an isolated cheerleader site with no difference of opinion allowed you need to build one yourself & keep membership private.

You can even build different forums TLX 2.4, TlX V6, TLX V6 SHAWD all with or without A-Spec sections to totally eliminate conflict. Expect it will be just be overwhelmed in hits.

BTW 14,740 hits, one of the highest counts, for the TLX killer indicates without a doubt many people are interested in the topic even if you don't approve of it being here..

ggesq

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It's the nature of online forums. By allowing differences of opinion IMHO is what makes AcuraZine a damn good forum. That being said, we, the staff will never make everyone happy all the time so I invite you to sit back, relax and engage in civil conversation.

For example- comparing the two: the 18 Accord vs the 18 TLX one can start discussing the DCT in the TLX vs the CVT and 6MT. Personally, I can't stand the tacky stick on iPad in the Accord or the rear but the rest of the car I really like.

ggesq

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Is the 18 Accord really have a better handling body/ driving dynamics? Based on the comparo between the Accord and the Camry, the Accord pulls .81 or something around that on the skid pad. I believe the TLX's numbers are right at that point too?

txl2017

I don't get it. Threads like this are beyond comparing specs, performance and values of competitions. It's qualified as "bashing" (just look at the dominant the and MANY posts on it). Seriously, again what's the point of having this discussion on the Acura enthusiasts forum? To feel good that you are to buy an Accord that out performs a TLX by spending less? anyways, end of my rant. Carry on.

pyrodan007

What's the point in just discussing the TLX, to make you think you did an excellent purchase? Come on, if something comes along and challenges a product, people will talk ... good and bad.

Speed_Racer

Yeah, so would I, but you're not going to get that in the Accord. There is no LSD. I'm done with FWD cars with "high" horsepower even if there is a manual. It's just not fun to drive. But to each their own.

This whole 2018 TLX vs 2018 Accord comparisons kill me because the TLX is 4 years old. That's a long time in the car industry. The Accord better have improvements seeing it's got that much of a head start on the TLX.

I can't say much of anything about the 2018 Accords since I haven't driven one. Reviews look great, styling is questionable and on paper specs look great. I drove a 2017 Accord before buying the TLX and may look great it just didn't drive as well as I'd like. Noisy, handling wasn't there and torque steer on the V6. It's not designed for that kind of performance so I can't really fault it. Are there areas that the TLX could improve? Definitely, but for what I was looking for it's been great and I didn't have to spend another $10k with other brands. I get all kinds of comments about how nice my ASpec is. It is more rare and I"m glad to not see 20+ of them daily like the Accord.

I'm just hopeful that the 2018 Accord tech/improvements will mean the next gen TLX will be even better. Then it's the 2020 TLX vs 2020 Accord threads. . .

BEAR-AvHistory

How about putting up a topic you would like to talk about & discuss? As for your Accord vs TLX & pricing comment, there is no shortage of the TLX is cheaper & just as good as the Germans & other Japanese cars here. On the BMW site we have a lot of the Stingray, Mustang & Camaro will out perform the BMW M's threads. I vote with the US cars in those threads.

justnspace

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Bear, Sometimes I question your age....
you are as hip as the rest of us!!!

BEAR-AvHistory

I am really 16 living in my mothers basement.

Actually I am hiding here behind my keyboard to avoid going into the garage to face my age. The COBRA has a very heavy cable pull clutch - 600 lb ft of torque transmission. Have to install some fabricated parts that will extend the length of the throw-out fork to give my leg a bit more leverage when moving off from a start. At speed its no problem as it currently is because its a centerforce pressure plate

BEAR-AvHistory

You are always going to get the generation flip flop with the Accord/Acura because the Accord has the development lead. Same thing with BMW 3 series & 4 series. The 3 the development lead got the 340 package a few years ago with its LCI & the 440 package is a '18 LCI. The 3 gets the G generation next year & the F generation 4 will not get it for 3 more years. Nothing unusual about this across all car makes.

Why the Accord/TLX topic is valid is both cars are on sale right now & are crossshopped.