svtmike

Every proportion on the Camry is wrong in some way. Especially front and rear overhangs (just like nearly every Toy/Lex). Fugly fugly fugly.

a35tl

When my niece was about 4 or 5, she saw a car like this in a parking lot with her Mom. The guy got out of the car and my niece said loudly enough for him to hear, "Look at the clown car Mommy", while she giggled and pointed at the guy's car. Her mother tried to shush her as the guy could clearly hear my niece. Now every time I see a jacked up ride like this poor TL, I always think, "clown car"........and if I get a look at the driver, it typically confirms my suspicion.

MGP99999

RIP TLX, I think that is all that needs to be said.

iforyou

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Yea, there are a few tuners in Europe for the FK2 CTR. And now with the FK8 CTR and the 2.0T Accord, I'd imagine more tuners including ones in the USA will work on this engine. 7mod in Germany has packages for up to 500hp for the FK8 CTR.

Saintor

Yeap.

Like all Ferraris and Lambos (but maybe one).

Saintor

It is worthless to discuss the legitimacy of EPA with somebody who doesn't even understand statistics.

Here is a clue for ya. Put my TLX in the exact same circuit / test environment as EPA highway and the same result will show. No magic; the explanation is that the in EPA test environment, with a lot of speed variation, it doesn't turn trigger the cylinders disactivation as I do when driving for hours at the same speed.

Any other easy question of stuff that you don't understand?

Saintor

Thank you Mr Obvious.

Again despite we are already discussed it, you are overlooking that if the Accord V6 has the 10-sp (or even the 9-sp) and direct injection, this gap would have vanished.

For what I can see, this is a matter of exchanging four 25c for a dollar... and you lose the charm of the V6 in the process.

2012wagon

that’s pretty funny

however whenever I am in Houston or Charlotte I see these Donks. The owners often look very different than clowns 🤡

2012wagon

500HP accords you say? 😋 yum 😋

F23A4

with a 103 mph trap, ^ true only if the 3.5 PAWS driver taps the brakes.

BEAR-AvHistory

Since the EPA is constantly changing how the test is to be conducted to more closely mimic the real world its value is very subjective. Its the real world we all drive in not a lab with standardized temperatures, precise octane rated gas & expert drivers. Also since the manufactures cheat on the tests with optimizations an average driver does not have available to them like special programs they got caught with for the test of .their diesels.

Conducting the test without a bunch of hovering engineers standing by to be sure the car is perfectly tuned for it, how do you know that your car will actually duplicate the test results? Oh yeah I forgot we can believe everything the government says. They do a major CYA with Your Results May Vary", you bet your ass they will vary because everyone who posts here has variances..

Besides you already claimed a number of times you can beat the test mileage (Your Results DID Vary) . I would expect if you can beat the test mileage numbers anybody can, so how good are the numbers?

Agree its a fake test for highway mileage where long stretches ARE done at a steady speed on cruise control. Very happy you are so up to date on stats. If I was still had to worki I could have set you up with one of my clerk's to do a status Master Class for you.

Shadow2056

I'm sorry. I can't go by "controlled" testing when it comes to fuel mileage results. They don't have stop and go traffic. They might be able to SIMULATE it but it's not real. No matter what you say, their testing is just that. Testing on what the car MIGHT do under THESE type of circumstances. If you're so into reading the stats are you so to be, you'd remember even the sticker says that results may vary depending on driving conditions.

rockstar143

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Saintor, your very narrowly focused debate on the EPA and mpg have been very effective.




at making this thread boring as fuck.
Congrats and thanks a lot.

JM2010 SH-AWD

I wonder if the mating of the 6MT to the 2.0 turbo four in the 10G Accord presages a 6MT TLX down the road when the FMC is released? A guy can hope, right?

rockstar143

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why would you wait to hope for a downgrade? just buy the accord!

horseshoez

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Agreed; the 6MT Accord is only available as a (relative) strippo model; I would hope a 6MT TLX would include all the goodies (and more) stripped from the manual Accords.

iforyou

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Not overlooking anything if you have read my other posts.

The TLX FWD 9AT V6 is rated at 20/32mpg with a 9AT and DI engine. Granted it's slightly heavier too.

I think we are starting to repeat things now. There are pros and cons for both V6 and the 2.0T. The V6 is good for its highway fuel economy, NVH, V6 engine sound, and no turbo lag. The 2.0T on the other hand is good on gas when you are driving normally in the city, enables a lighter front end for better handling, and provides more low end torque when the boost is up there.

I'm not here to say the V6 is shxt and the 2.0T is a million miles better. In fact, if you've seen my posts from over the years, you'd know that I have always defended the J series when others have moved on to 2.0T. Nothing's really changed in my stance though, it's just that this Honda 2.0T seems to be more impressive than some of the other 2.0T from other companies. It seems like a good match against the Audi 2.0T or BMW 2.0T without the need for premium fuel.

Haha that would be nice but the K20C4 in the Accord has a smaller intercooler and a smaller turbo, plus a few other changes I think. But I guess 350hp shouldn't be hard!

Shadow2056

What do mean by "strippo" model? The Accord Sport is available with the 6spd and the 2.0T. Those aren't really a....striped down...model when the features it comes with.

horseshoez

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Compare the features of the Accord Touring to the Accord Sport; in my book the Sport is a "Strippo".

Shadow2056

Good point. But the only things you'll be missing is the heated rear seats, Navi, full leather(Sports have leather trimmed seats), and chrome door handles. But I get the point of what you're saying tho.

horseshoez

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@Shadow2056, hmmm, I was under the impression there were significantly greater differences in the two models; I wonder if the specs have changed since the initial press releases.

Speed_Racer

There has to be more that's different. Isn't there like a $9,000 spread between the Sport and Touring?

Shadow2056

Before, it did have a MAJOR difference between the Sport and Touring. The main thing was the leather, Navi, LED headlights, sunroof, and heated rear seats. Now, its mainly the full leather, Navi, sunroof, and heated rear seats.

Shadow2056

Who knows. I might be wrong. I could be reading this wrong. I'm waiting for the book or the Honda website to bring up the trim differences. Now the Sport 2.0 and the Sport with the 1.5, I see what you're saying. Lol. The Sport 2.0T comes with the same things the EX-L does(except the Navi). The Sport w/1.5T does not. So yeah. There's the spread that you were talking about.

Speed_Racer

Here's what Honda has listed on their press release site as differences between Sport and Touring, but even this list doesn't look complete. Doesn't mention the rear heated seats.

4-way power FR pass seat
10-speaker premium audio
Honda satellite-linked navigation system
Full-LED headlamps
Adaptive Damper System with Sport Mode
Head-Up Display
Wireless device charging
HondaLink telematics
Auto phone pairing (NFC)
Ventilated FR seats
Noise insulation package

Shadow2056

Dag. Forgot about the ventilated front seats and HUD. And even the wireless charger. Yep. There's a huge difference between the Sport 1.5 and the Touring. But the Sport 2.0, you'll get the same things the EX-L has.

Treblig

Saw the Accord in the flesh this afternoon, the 1.5T Sport, Base Model and the 1.5T Touring. Actually not a bad looking car up close. The interior is pretty impressive and very spacious, particularly the back seat. Still something things that make it a Honda and not an Acura though, for example, the top of the front doors is soft touch material but the tops of the back doors are hard plastic. The hood is held up by a prop rod and the trunk hinges are exposed. However, the tech presentation is well done from the HUD to the full HID lights to dashboard/instrument panel hardware. Wasn’t interested in driving the 1.5 but will drive the 2.0T when they get one.

Still an Acura fan and will wait until the next iteration of TLX arrives

TacoBello

the stuff you listed isnt even important. At all. Exposed trunk hinges? Gasp! Acura, take my money!!!

No, but for real... this car was never intended to overtake the TLX. But it is one hell of a package in comparison, making it hard for some to justify spending so much more on a TLX.

cu2wagon

Same could be said for the hood prop and hinges... It's a Honda... There's almost no reason to ever open the hood.

There could be a mop handle and a gate hinge under there for all I know.

Shadow2056

It's little things that count. The top of the door thing bothers me slightly. The hood struts, something they had on all the V6 models, is something they should have put on all models. It's slightly annoying for that hood prop. It's 2017. Come on folks. I'd like to have those.

quantum7

I get it....but my 07 TL hood struts crapped out a couple of years ago and I am too lazy to care. Currently my adjustable hiking pole sits in my garage and has been my hood strut....works great.
Who knows, maybe the next TLX will come with a hiking pole (as an option in the accessory package).

ggesq

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I'd choose the TLX (MMC ASPEC) on looks alone

The 6MT, turbo engine choices and updated tech (HUD) are very compelling arguments to me to get the Accord however.

Treblig

Okay, I hear you. Maybe not earth stopping issues and you are right, it is “one hell of a package in comparison”. Just hard to give up some of the “little” things that you once had.

F23A4

Although I'm still on the fence with regard to the 10G, I have to give Honda credit for addressing my contention that the 9G Sport should have had a V6 option with 6MT availability. As I don't need all the bells and whistles (on a second household vehicle) but do want uprated performance, the Sport 2.0T does accommodate my personal ask.

Shadow2056

That is true. They should have kept the V6 as at least an option with the 6spd since they got rid of the coupe and stopped making 6spds as much as they did. But the thing is, a lot of people got mad at Honda for getting rid of the coupes but no one ever bought them. We had one sit up here at my dealership for over 300 days. The Civic Si coupes have been sitting here since they came out and no one wants them. But yet as soon as we get the Si 4dr in, it's gone within a week.

rockstar143

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everyone havin kids, man...
start including a roof rack with a latch system for a car seat and the coupes would sell like hot cakes!

thoiboi

Mmmmm ventilated seats

rockstar143

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no more sweaty babies!

Majofo

Several of the guys here are engineers and learned doctors
But continue with your bullshit

Better yet, look up the Dunning–Kruger effect and end the denial.




MMC ASpec should have been the first TLX they rolled out in 2014.. no bullshit eco model too.
It's a sign of hope at least.

Shadow2056

I know right?! finally they added those in. Lol. So many people kept asking me if the Accord had the cooled or "ventilated" seats for the 17s and lower. Nope. Now the Pilot Elite, Odyssey Elite, and Accord Touring have them.