randomRon82

Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings.... but this thing is ugly a.f. (imo)

also... at least the TLX didn't come in last. lol

Flipster23

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Ron...... You're random..

enchantedsky

This video is like a commercial for Nissan.

Audi will release a new A4 later this year with brand new engines. I'm sure it will beat the Maxima at least.

Tony Pac

comparing Nissan to BMW, Audi and Acura doesn't make sense. BS

Stew4HD

That's it, I am getting rid of the TLX cuz it's not the fastest ... /endsarc

And yes, that was very much a Nissan ad to me

weather

^^ That is because you didn't get the I4!

Stew4HD

I wonder why they left out the IS350 F-Sport... hmmm

Stew4HD

Come to think of it, according to a member here, the I4 is faster than the V6.. Why did I get a V6????

weather

^^ lmao!

thoiboi

They left out the Mazda 6 in the comparison too

BEAR-AvHistory

Throw in another bit the 2016 BMW's mid model refresh are upping the horsepower with a new engine. 335 will be called the 340. Suspensions are also being upgraded.

Maxima should have some extra trouble with the 328 I4 & new suspension.

Nexx

for a good reason, it would have been embarrassed. apples to oranges.

youngTL

I would have been curious how the SH-AWD would fare. However, I can see why they left it out (pricing is a little dissimilar).

06TLMatt

Where is the 2016 Prius C - Hybrid in these comparisons ??? I wonder how much these guys were paid by Nissan

silverTL6

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Click the youtube link and guess who posted the video...

And apparently the new A4 is being delayed til 2017...making the current gen a whopping 8 years old

Audi announces 2016 Model Year vehicles and pricing | Audi USA

BEAR-AvHistory

Not a bad marketing ploy to get out a story before the others release their new cars. Much easier to look good against older models.

BC01191980

When does Acura usually announce their 2016 lineup? I may just get 2015 tlx if there are minor changes. I can probably get a deal since the model year is over a half year old.

enchantedsky

So you can look like jerk by lowering it to the ground and then complain about the idle-stop not working? RICER!!

W.B.MASON

Is there a horsepower increase announced on the 2016 BMW 328i?

012TL-GLM

How many tracks did they test at before they found one the Nissan did the best at? All this video tells me is that at this particular track, with that specific driver, the Nissan posted the best times. Big whoop, and I could give a shit about the TLX - this is just stupid

BEAR-AvHistory

No, the I6 gets the power bump.

Thing is a 300hp V6 Maxima just edged out a 260hp I4 328. Looking at the vid the base car suspension upgrade for 2016 would have made a big difference.

Suspect the 328 in the vid did not have the already available optional real time shocks DHP @ $1000.

Stew4HD

I have never said the idle-stop is not working, ever. Please get your jabs right.

I feel the love! Stay classy

06TLMatt

Exactly , if you google this test the first headlines are " Nissan Endorsed .... Test " , there is going to be some bias here, if you're being paid by Nissan you aren't going to drive the A4, TLX, or 328 as hard as you will the competition. Also, what does this even prove ? Is anyone shopping for a LUXURY sedan going to choose a Maxima over brands like Acura , BMW and Audi going to buy from Nissan because a video showed it being a second faster .... I also like how Lexus was conveniently left out of this test.

Stew4HD

I agree.. hand picked test. The Maxima is nice for what it is but.. not in the same class as the A4, 328 or the TLX segment-wise (IMO)

slats

What a load of crap. I can tell from the wheels on that 328i that it does not have the sport package (larger, staggered rims, stiffer suspension, bigger brakes etc) and no doubt that is the top performing Maxima model they are using. Anyone else wonder if they even but the BMW or TLX in Sport+? I'm guessing no. And btw the 328i is 240hp, not 260.

Man I really hope Acura will make a Type-S...

1Louder

This is nothing more than a Nissan fluff piece. Contrived marketing piece and nothing more. No real conclusion can be drawn from these results.

And I don't consider a Maxima a peer to an Acura, BMW or Audi.

slats

Agreed. That's wishful and delusional thinking on Nissan's part. The Accord would be a Maxima competitor, and I'd rather drive a Honda any day.

WhyteLegend

That's a damn shame , maxima didnt even have independent rear suspension at one point and now its out doing all these "luxury cars" imagine what rear drive Q50 would do. Ha!

06TLMatt

I really don't think the Maxima would be that bad of a car ( for the price ) if they could do something about the ugly, stereotypical, Nissan design, inside and out. Then again, I would still choose Honda over Nissan any day.

Hoosier_TLX

It is a little strange that they would compare to the 3 cars they chose, but it is a propaganda piece after all. "Our car competes and even beats THESE luxury cars". It's 1 limited test that happens to favor their car, so let them post it. If you want to get a Maxima then get it, and if you want any other make, model, year, color then get that. It's nice to have options, but 1 test doesn't make enough of a statement about the totality of the car, and that's why people need to do research, read reviews and take test drives.

I'm sure the Maxima is a fine car, a few of my relatives have had them in the past. Most cars these days are very nice and they are all competing for a piece of the pie.

youngTL

Does the Maxima even have a direct Honda competitor? It's kind of in a weird segment. I'd think the Altima competes with the Accord. The Maxima is sort of competing with things like the Toyota Avalon. It's the sporty alternative to the sedate Avalon.

It's sort of in the TLX price range, but I'd venture a guess that refinement isn't its strong point. Gotta wait for the reviews to see what they have to say about that.

cp3117

You nailed it Bear!!

This reminds me of the marketing ploy Honda did back in 2010 when Honda hosted a similar test at their testing facility.

They showcased their Pre-Production 2010 TL SH-AWD (6MT) and put it up against older models (One being a two year old Audi S4). Honda employees set up the track, vehicles and then invited several media reps (C&D, R&T, etc etc) but they weren't allowed to bring their own test equipment etc.

they could only race around the track and no other testing....Well guess who won??

The funny thing is a few months later the same journalists tested the same cars but included the new S4 and the TL ended up last I believe.

Like you said, take it with a grain of salt as its just marketing material and all manufactures do it.

cp3117

The Maxima is comparable to the TLX (FWD V6) just like it was with the 4G TL FWD.

Edmunds or JD Power did some research a few years ago and found that the majority of Acura Customers cross shop mainstream brands like Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc before the true luxury brands like Audi, BMW, etc.

So its not really odd to see comparo's like this but remember this is just marketing material set up by Nissan

SolidLiquidFox

I learned nothing by watching that video.

JonfromCB

Here's what I learned. Nissan is offering a new body Maxima with a previously unavailable performance pack' and they are comparing it to some relatively well rated base models that are generally rated in a segment a tick higher than the Nissan...smart marketing Nissan.

I'm betting Nissan has learned some tricks and lessons from the higher
performing Infiniti, which is an entirely separate car company that Nissan builds cars for. I'm also betting that the Nissan will actually outperform the competition they claim, AND have a cheaper sticker. If Nissan Squeezes near G-37/Q50 performance from the steering, brakes, chassis, and engine in a roomier package AND revamps the interior along the lines of the new interior and electronics upgrades they made to last year's Murano, they are going to have a winner that costs less and outclasses many competitors previously thought of as being in a higher segment.

smoooov

Except it will still be ugly as hell.

BEAR-AvHistory

Actually, Infiniti is division of Nissan not a separate company. Same as Acura is a division of Honda & Lexus is a division of Toyota. Japan has no stand alone luxury brands like MB & BMW. Not sure but they might be the only ones left in the world.

Q-50 sales are soft so I don't see any help there. Nissan Maxima has always been #3 behind Toyota Camry & Honda Accord & will stay that way because there is no compelling reason to buy the car. One issue is the Maxima & Q-50 have a price overlap so why not buy the Q=50 if you want a Nissan product?

saturno_v

Combined Q40 + Q50 sales are not soft at all....with only one V6 engine option (no frugal 4 banger available) and only one body style (sedan) in the first 4 months of 2015 it beats the A4, crushes the ATS, beats the TLX...it trails only the best sellers 3/4 Series, which it has a wagon and a coupe as well and several engine options including diesel (BMW crushes everybody in the segment) and at less distance the new C-Class (also which it has a coupe and a frugal 4 cylinder option).

The Maxima has always been #3 behind Accord and Camry also because it does not have a 4 cylinder engine option, the bread and butter of the Accord/Camry duo and since the dramatic Altima redesign in 2002 it had internal competition as well.

saturno_v

You are confusing two very different concepts.

The Acura event was to demonstrate the handling capability of the TL SH-AWD nothing more, it was not a way to establish which was the overall best car (in the editor's opinion anyway) like a regular magazine comparo (I believe you are pointing to the Motortrend comparo where the TL did finish last indeed).

Subjectivity (for example how the car "feels" when you drive it) was not part of the equation. Acura did want to prove that a heavier, bigger car could handle like or out handle more established and smaller/lighter models.

Professional pilots (including the Acura tester) and journalists lap times were measured.

Independent magazine testing has pretty much confirmed the TL SH-AWD handling prowess showcased in that event. The competitor cars were what was available in the market at that time, it was not an Acura ploy.

Obviously Acura probably did pick a track where the TL SH-AWD had the chance to shine the most.

More track focused comparos has further demonstrated the TL SH-AWD ability to beat or match more powerful/lighter cars from the more established luxury brands, for example the Automobile track comparo between a current production (at the time of the test) TL SH-AWD and Audi S4.

cp3117

There is nothing confusing at all about the concepts.

Acura's marketing event and Nissan's marketing event where after the same result, although Acura's ploy was much more deceiving. The Nissan event here at least used a production Maxima and some current models from the competition. Acura used a Prototype 4G (6MT), a two year old used Audi S4 and other models that where due for major updates the next year.

The journalists that attended the Acura event even commented in most of their articles that they knew this wasn't a normal event and insinuated that it was staged but it gave them a chance to drive the prototype 4G (6MT).

I know you have a very strong bias towards the 4G (6MT) being you owned one but this was not just about showing SHAWD capabilities as they could have done this the year before with 2009 4G (AT) against the current competition. Acura simple knew that staging a event where they could control the environment (Vehicles, Track, Media, etc) they could use it for marketing and IMO very smart ploy by Honda/Acura.

Just Google the event and look at all the comments from people about how it was staged.