kevTL888

any speculation on the pricing? i hope they go from 30k (fwd 2.4 I4 base) to 42k (SH-AWD V6 Tech)

a35tl

I'm guessing it would start around $31k (2.4 base) and progress to ~ $47k (SH-awd V6 Advance). If they can keep it in this price range or better, I predict it will be a HUGE sales success for Acura! It's definitely time for Acura to have a bona fide hit on their hands! GO TLX!!!!

Colin

IMO, the upper limit will depend on what Advance features they include. Currently, Advance Package TLs are not equal to MDX and RLX in that they exclude the CMBS and LKAS. If the TLX gets these, then it could edge towards your estimate. Frankly, I'd rather it not get that high. One last word on the 'beak' discussion. At least it's functional in that the CMBS sensor is hidden inside vs. behind a clear plastic piece in earlier applications.

As for the 2.4. I'm hoping it receives VTEC on the exhaust side and if it does, I could see 210hp and maybe even 220. IMO, the ILX doesn't really need a lot more than 200ish, but I wouldn't mind seeing get there with the 1.5 liter turbo 4 (vs. 2.4). I think it would be nice to debut that engine in the ILX. Offer a lower power 180 hp version for the automatics with a CVT and 200 hp version with 6MT. If they really want to uncork something, the 280 HP 2.0 Turbo could work in a Type-S. The unfortunate reality is that this might have to wait till the next gen ILX.

07wdptl-s

I will take the tlx beak grill over the lexus predator grill and the q50 whatever grill or mouth that thing is anyday.

Rocketsfan

I bought my 3G the month after it was released, I think and paid MSRP for it. I can't hold off until next year, so I'm pretty much going to pay full price, I think. The sad thing is, I waited to see if the ATS and Q50 would have issues before decided whether to buy them or not. I'm glad I did. Hopefully Acura doesn't let me down if I decide to be an early adopter. My 3G had a recall a few months after it was released for the transmission, and I thought I had screwed up buying it so quick. Especially after the transmission issues Honda had just had. But, it's been a pretty uneventful ride since then, so I guess I'm willing to take a shot on them again.

Rocketsfan

I'm scared to open Acurazine at work because of your avatar. LOL.

SinCityTLX

This exactly what I had in mind when I replied in another thread entitled "will TLX be your next car"

That i would buy it gladly and paint match everything, lower and flush the OEM wheels.

This will sell more TLXs

Timmy18

Wheel base extension and recolor











White wasn't turning out pretty so Silver is as close I can get you.

jwong77

^^ Oh what could have been if they had used a true RWD platform with the right proportions. Thanks for the photoshops,

ostrich

Ooooh! I like these colours!!! Especially that bluish grey, the bronzy colour (the 6th one) and the green.... I can imagine how this TLX would look especially hot in some highly reflective metallic colours with lots of depth. These colours show off the lines very well indeed. Of course the red is just perfect!!!

Please pardon me but that brownish colour is almost like the poopy colour that the last generation Lexus ES and Subaru Outback have.... I always wondered why people were so brave as to picking a car in a colour that has personal sanitation associations.... LOL But I have to say that yours is much better!

Rocketsfan

I'm still not a fan of the Acura "corporate grille", but I'm also not a fan of calling it "the beak" anymore. The original 4G beak was the beak. I needed a hug after seeing that thing the first time. The re-designed grille on the TL, was way more palatable. I still don't know if I like the 3D effect of it, and I think it's probably the weakest design element on the TLX, but at least it doesn't scare me.

Timmy18

^^I got you!! lol


Narrow the grill opening, give the beak more curvature, keep the two ends of the beak level with the headlights to create the 'flow' to the other. There should also be a slight 'V' crease in the upper portion of the grill trim to help keep the front end looking hunkered down and translates the middle vertical crease in the bumper, through the grill and up into the hood.

Overall design should mimic the Vmoda logo.

Timmy18

Pardoned!

And I think I honestly should have made it a tad bit less saturated to give it a more silverish bronze rather than poopy bronze. I was trying to bring back DMM and CBP (Carbon Bronze Pearl) in a 'deep modern way'.. but left it a bit too saturated. My fault, should have double checked the color resemblance.

Rocket_man

I was going to say the same thing, but you said it better. I agree 100%. The 09 TL grill for me is the only 'beak.' Just take a look from the side and the hook from the top reminds me of a bird of prey's beak. But after the re-design it is no longer the beak to me. I don't find it offensive one bit. I think some like to pile on the beak fiasco, but the beak is no more. Move on.

Rocket_man

Nice job. I'd love to see this version with the Acura logo centered top to bottom. Maybe a little larger too.

Acura_Dude

Six Shifter

how about one without the rear doors?

Tommy8888

A lot of Lexus IS and BMW 3 Series forum users saying this could be a legitimate threat to them.

Tommy8888

This could boost Acura back to the days of the 3G in terms of sales.
I really do see this car finishing top 2 against it's segment of Q/S60/3/IS/A4/ATS.

boe_d

Yeah - it is a whole new kind of ugly. JK. I think if you dislike the beak as so many of us do, it wouldn't matter if it had pink ribbons on it - it is still be beak no matter how much some people think cutting a half inch off the top changes everything.

Tommy8888

This is an amazing car. I'm going to convince everybody in my Frat to sell their G37's and get into a TLX instead of Q50.

Edward'TLS

Sales will be dictated by how Acura decides to price the TLX's.

The RLX is also a very good car, except that Acura decides to give it an unreasonably high MSRP. So the RLX flops.

Similarly, factory pricing will make or break the TLX.

Tommy8888

But that's a bit different. The RLX is against competition which is brutal.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ry-Large-Cars/
Look at this segment..it's usually pitted against. The RLX have little to no chance.

The TL/TLX meanwhile is in a segment that includes:
Q50/3/ATS/IS/A4/S60 etc.......... This makes it much easier.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/overview/audi_a4_2014

You look at the 'other choices' +the A4.. That is a segment the TLX did very well in with the 3G.. and could do very well in again.

Edward'TLS

However, if Acura decides to go crazy like for the RLX, and starts pricing the TLX to be way above the Q50/3/ATS/IS/A4/S60 etc..., then the TLX will NOT be doing well again.

jbond2099

iTrader: (1)

i want to see the inside

Tommy8888

I don't think they will. (History has proven they will stay around that range).

I'm curious because I don't know the RLX that well.
But isn't the RLX made to compete against the GS/5 Series?(Obviously failing but isn't that the purpose)

Anyways I just think that Acura/Infiniti will not have success in the 5 series bracket(Price wise) regardless of how great the cars are.

SUVs/Lexus ES/LS Price Bracket is where they could be big threats.

You are of course 100% right. If the TLX goes above the A4/Q50 Bracket in price.. it will fail. I'm actually hoping the TLX lowers itself into the S60 Bracket. I think 32k Starting-40kish.
But I don't know if Acura will go down to 32k for the TLX.
I think for 31-32k Starting Price.. that will create a huge number of lease/buys. Sounds a bit too low though for it to be legitimate.

Tommy8888

(Lexus ES/IS)

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YeuEmMaiMai

So again, if it smells like crap, it is...

Also, underrating power is nothing new... been doing that since at least the 60's for a variety of reasons including Insurance Purposes. I just used those figures because they were stating x whp off of y crank hp so since the Honda numbers are known, you can make an educated guess as to what the others are doing as everyone suffers similar losses with the same basic drivelines.

the only reason I pointed it out in the first place was because a poster was being deceptive about the ratings of other players when comparing claimed 300hp

TeamAcura

I agree! It is now more of a shield personally. But it's here to stay, this is their signature grille and they are sticking with it. If you don't like it, don't buy an Acura. I like this much better than what seems to be trend with other manufacturers; wide/open mouth grilles that extends all the way down to the lower front bumper.

George Knighton

The TLX is an American car built in America for Americans. I doubt it would have the RLX's pricing issue. (But what do I know.)

The RLX is an issue because it is imported, and because at the time that the MSRP was being established, the yen was worth more than it is now. If they could manage to suck it up and alter the MSRP of the RLX to reflect more the current dollar/yen ratio, then they might be able to leverage the outstanding value presented by the RLX.

That is to say, by the time you got to December 2013 it was very common to only pay 52,200 for the 2014 RLX Advance before taxes. I doubt they'd drop the MSRP that far down, but a serious address of the MSRP of the RLX would start moving them faster.

That's if they want to move them faster. There's every indication that they do not, necessarily. One of those indicators is a relative lack of production capacity for the RLX.

One of the bigger failures in Honda history is the 2002 (EP3) Civic Si. It ran its model year through 2005 as scheduled, but it was a miserable sales failure because they could never find a way to address the problem the dollar faces against Sterling. The EP3 was built in Swindon, and both labor and currency trade issues made the car MSRP very close to 20,000 when the car's competitors were selling for more like 16,000. At the level of a Civic, 4K is a lot of money for young people to worry about.

They didn't fly off the dealer lots until Honda sucked it up and gave dealers enough money to get the sticker down to 15,995. But Honda took the loss on that one, out of their world wide profits. The value of the pound remained high against the dollar through the model's tenure, and it was simply an operational and strategic mistake on Honda's part.

YeuEmMaiMai

^ For 60K RLX should have 2 more cylinders... That's IS-F territory pricing...

kevTL888

yeah, but to be fair, no one's paying sticker for RLX nowadays, you can get one with navigation for around 45k brand new according to carsdirect

012TL-GLM

I can guarantee the TLX sales will be strong. I bought my TL back in Oct. 2011 (Its a '12 SH-AWD w/tech). When I told my friends they were less than impressed. Once they saw it in person they thought it was ok...Once they drove it they LOVED it. Then I tinted the windows, and painted the front grill, vastly improving the looks to everyone's agreement.

After the TLX was shown, they're all loving the new body style. Acura passed the first test, if the aesthetics are good, the rest is easy. I'm not worried about the interior and power. It will be at least what we have now, and most likely a little quicker. The sticker on my car was around $45K, and I think if they stay in that realm they'll move quick. Kudos Acura, I think you're going to keep me out of an Audi for a few more years

nothome17

It's inconceivable to me that they continue trying to make this derpy chrome V shield thing work. It's been horrible forever. They need a new idea...

YeuEmMaiMai

the belt is much better looking than the beak imho...

Acura_Dude

I haven't really looked into it, but isn't the Dollar gaining on the Yen? If so wouldn't that help with profits? I know a few years ago Honda wasn't making much money, if anything on the TSX after importing it to the States because of the Yen was much stronger than the Dollar. I'm no economics major at ALL so I may be way off base here, but it was a thought.

Timmy18

George Knighton

That works a lot better than the attempt an an RLX Coupe, but you still can't shorten the wheelbase. That makes any coupe problematic.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

I would think more like $33k to $50k, given the current pricing of the TSX and the TL and accounting for the typical cost increase between model years as well as the increase in equipment.

Am hoping for a 2.4L 8DCT (although would really prefer the 6MT) FWD w/ P-AWS and Tech Package (navi, BLIS, LDW, power folding mirrors, 19-inch wheels) for somewhere around the $38k mark. With at least 220 hp and comparable torque, I think that would be competitive enough against the smaller engines in the class while still undercutting their price by a few thousand dollars.