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Old 09-25-2006, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SRK85
Yea no price drop in America sorry. Maybe price drops in the future.
I'm not sure about that. I've been reading some articles saying that Sony will be dropping the price in the US as well but are holding off on that announcement until right before release to catch MS off-guard. Not sure how off-guard MS will be if these rumors are openly floating around, but we'll see. As with most things surrounding the PS3, only time will tell...

I'll be getting one in the spring after the hype dies down regardless of price... so I'm not all too concerned if the rumors are true or not...
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A report on Japanese website Impress Watch indicates that games for the Playstation 3 may be significantly higher than titles for the Playstation 2 or competing consoles Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. While official pricing has not been announced yet, the site quotes "multiple" sources who put game pricing in the range of 8800 to 9800 Yen - or $75 to $84. The reason for the price hike: Rising development cost, according to Impress Watch.

So far, the increase appears to be limited to Japan; U.S. retailers such as EB Games list game prices of about $60 on their PS3 preview pages.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/09/25/ps3_game_prices/
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^ Thats rediculous. I hope that that's not true.
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People were upset because the controller is the same?? Pretty strange considering the PS controller has one of the highest rated designs of any controller out there. Why change a good thing just so it looks different. If it aint broke, dont fix it. The PS controller has never cause me any fatigue while playing, and I think that is one of the most important things when it comes to controllers.

But I gotta admit, if games are going to be upwards of 70 bucks a pop, I dont think there will be too many happy campers out there. 60 is my limit, but I havent spend more than 50 on a game since the SNES days
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Originally Posted by pebecl97
People were upset because the controller is the same?? Pretty strange considering the PS controller has one of the highest rated designs of any controller out there. Why change a good thing just so it looks different. If it aint broke, dont fix it. The PS controller has never cause me any fatigue while playing, and I think that is one of the most important things when it comes to controllers.

But I gotta admit, if games are going to be upwards of 70 bucks a pop, I dont think there will be too many happy campers out there. 60 is my limit, but I havent spend more than 50 on a game since the SNES days
The reason people are upset is because they took away the "dual shock" vibrating function to replace it with wireless capabilities and a 6 axis system. To me it was a good move to keep the existing controller. I think that the PS2 controller is the best feeling controller of all the systems to date. Thats just my

Today at Sony's Press Conference in LA, Sony showed off the newest design of the PS3 controller. Bye, Bye boomerang, hello Dual Shock!

The PS3 controller Is set to include Bluetooth technology for wireless play with the addition of USB cables to wire the controller for recharging.

The most interesting announcement came regarding the inclusion of a ‘six-axis sensing system’ and the removal of the vibrating core. The press release stated that, "Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK and DUALSHOCK 2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation 2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor."

Sounds exciting and hopefully the sensors will add a whole other dimension to the PS3 gameplay. This feature could possibly work well in an FPS game were the camera reacts to the movements of the controller. Stay tuned to PS3Portal.com for more live from the PS3Portal.com team at E3.
http://www.ps3portal.com/ps3/article/386.html
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Originally Posted by pebecl97
People were upset because the controller is the same?? Pretty strange considering the PS controller has one of the highest rated designs of any controller out there. Why change a good thing just so it looks different. If it aint broke, dont fix it. The PS controller has never cause me any fatigue while playing, and I think that is one of the most important things when it comes to controllers.

But I gotta admit, if games are going to be upwards of 70 bucks a pop, I dont think there will be too many happy campers out there. 60 is my limit, but I havent spend more than 50 on a game since the SNES days
yeah I bet those were the same ppl complaining about the boomerang design. you can never please them, I tell you.

I think I will be OK with just having one game for a long while - GT HD. lol
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Originally Posted by srika
yeah I bet those were the same ppl complaining about the boomerang design. you can never please them, I tell you.

I think I will be OK with just having one game for a long while - GT HD. lol
Metal Gear or Ninja Gaiden (whichever comes first) for moi. I'll happily move to a deserted island with either of those apps.





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So far, the increase appears to be limited to Japan; U.S. retailers such as EB Games list game prices of about $60 on their PS3 preview pages.
Yeah, my local EB and Gamestop have a list of games you can pre-order and all of the games are $59.99... right in line with the 360 game prices.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Yeah, my local EB and Gamestop have a list of games you can pre-order and all of the games are $59.99... right in line with the 360 game prices.
I don't imagine the apps to continue going at that price for long though. Besides, how many games would one buy at launch anyhoo...? It'd be usually just one or two tops.
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
I don't imagine the apps to continue going at that price for long though. Besides, how many games would one buy at launch anyhoo...? It'd be usually just one or two tops.
Well at 80 bucks a pop, I cant imagine, too many...

For 80 bucks, it better play itself.
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New survey showing that the lack of vibration feedback from the PS3 might hurt sells.



About three of every four respondents (74 percent) were not aware of Sony’s announcement that the rumble/vibration feature will be removed from the new PS3 controller and nearly six out of 10 gamers (58 percent) were disappointed with this news. Respondent disappointment may have been tempered by the fact that 82 percent believe there will be or probably will be third-party gamepad controllers that will support vibration feedback for the PS3 console system within the first year after its launch. However, thus far Sony has not announced capability in the PS3 console for vibration feedback, and it is believed that many console gamers are unaware that this capability must be present in the console to experience vibration feedback with any gamepad controller, first- or third-party.

However, among those who indicated they were planning to buy a PS3 in the next year, the desire to purchase is clearly affected by the lack of vibration feedback. If the PS3 does not support rumble in the console (for either existing PS2 or new PS3 games), 5 percent of people indicate that they will definitely not buy the PS3, and 32 percent are somewhat less likely to purchase, with 14 percent unsure how it might affect their purchase decision. Fewer than half (46 percent) reported they would definitely still buy or even be more likely to buy a PS3.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.?id=3194
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Originally Posted by Silver™
New survey showing that the lack of vibration feedback from the PS3 might hurt sells.



About three of every four respondents (74 percent) were not aware of Sony’s announcement that the rumble/vibration feature will be removed from the new PS3 controller and nearly six out of 10 gamers (58 percent) were disappointed with this news. Respondent disappointment may have been tempered by the fact that 82 percent believe there will be or probably will be third-party gamepad controllers that will support vibration feedback for the PS3 console system within the first year after its launch. However, thus far Sony has not announced capability in the PS3 console for vibration feedback, and it is believed that many console gamers are unaware that this capability must be present in the console to experience vibration feedback with any gamepad controller, first- or third-party.

However, among those who indicated they were planning to buy a PS3 in the next year, the desire to purchase is clearly affected by the lack of vibration feedback. If the PS3 does not support rumble in the console (for either existing PS2 or new PS3 games), 5 percent of people indicate that they will definitely not buy the PS3, and 32 percent are somewhat less likely to purchase, with 14 percent unsure how it might affect their purchase decision. Fewer than half (46 percent) reported they would definitely still buy or even be more likely to buy a PS3.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.?id=3194

I didn't know until now either...
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damn, never mind. changed my mind back. I'm not getting a PS3 yumchah
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Originally Posted by ghost_masterCL
damn, never mind. changed my mind back. I'm not getting a PS3 yumchah
Oh right right! I forgot again. See? It's good you remind me often.
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Thats the one thing I like about the 360, is that it is wireless and rumbles. But dont really like the position of the top two shoulder buttons.
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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
Well at 80 bucks a pop, I cant imagine, too many...

For 80 bucks, it better play itself.
That article is saying $70-$80 in Japan... not here.


Originally Posted by juniorbean
Yeah, my local EB and Gamestop have a list of games you can pre-order and all of the games are $59.99... right in line with the 360 game prices.
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And personally, I really don't care about the vibration feature. If it has it, fine, if not, fine. As long as the controller is comfortable, has dead on reaction times, and is comfortable, I don't give a rats ass if it vibrates or not.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
That article is saying $70-$80 in Japan... not here.
Why would they sell them for more in Japan?

So the console is gonna be the same price as Japan, but the games are gonna be cheaper here? Im confused.
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Question Microsoft Playstation 3...?

Interesting article...

Do the Math: Will Sony Go Broke?

For video game players, the competition among the three game console manufacturers must seem like a Dead or Alive tournament. There's always a winner and a loser, but someone else is always lined up for another bout with the winner.

Few tears were spilled when the No. 4 console maker, Sega, dropped out of the market a few years ago. But can you imagine if, in a year from now, there were only TWO console game makers?

Not only COULD it happen, but we're going to tell you why it WILL happen.

Can Video Games Bring Down a Multinational Corporation?

Sony has a book value of $27 billion. It has nearly $9 billion in cash. Sony's not going anywhere. Or is it?

Sony is looking at a potential for demise it has never faced before. With the failure of its TV and music electronics businesses and its up-and-down movie business, it has relied more and more on the video game business to keep profits up.

But now even its video game business can't save the company. In fact, it's the video game business that could put the whole company right down the toilet.

Here's a story of a company in trouble. Sure, you think you could help it by buying a new PS3 at the end of the year. But purchasing a PS3 this year could be the very thing that pushes Sony over the edge.

The Seeds Are Sown

Sony's troubles didn't just begin this year, but we all started to realize the wheels were falling off the train when Sony started delaying the release of the new PlayStation 3. The first excuse Sony made was that licensing issues were causing the delay from Spring 2006 to November 2006.

Around the same time Sony was putting off the release, analysts released a disturbing story about the disparity in the cost of raw materials for the PS3, compared with the estimated purchase price.

Analysts had predicted the PS3 cost would be in line with the cost of the Microsoft XBox 360 consoles.

In a February story for CNet, it was estimated that the total cost of components for the PS3 would be in the neighborhood of $725 to $905 -- and that was before it was rumored that Sony would have to put PS2 components in the box because the new chip lacked the ability to emulate the earlier PSOne and PS2 games.

The CNet story said, "The materials price estimates do not include marketing, software development, advertising or other costs, which will push Sony's total cost per console even higher."

That there is such a disparity between the price of materials and the suggested retail price for a new console is not unusual because most new consoles are sold as loss-leaders, with the game maker making up the difference with the high margin of profit they get by selling games for the console.

In contrast, the materials cost for the XBox 360 is estimated at only $501, and should continue to drop as the console ages. While Sony pays $200 to $300 for each raw Blu-ray drive, Microsoft pays only $20 for the simpler DVD drives.

The Truth Hits Home

With such estimates for raw materials, video game fans should have known that the new machine would need to cost a lot more. But a huge audience that was prepared to cheer the announced price of the PS3 instead sat in stunned silence when the suggested retail price was announced at the E3 conference: $499 for the basic system and $599 for the premium one.

Of course, the single most costly item in the PS3 is the Blu-ray drive. Analysts originally figured Blu-ray would add at least another $200 or so to the price of the machine, but that figure has gone way up.

First, there's more than just the mechanical equipment to figure in. Sony must also pay for all the codecs that must be licensed.

Second, the slow adoption of high density DVD technology will keep prices high for years.

Finally, all manufacturers of the blue lasers that are required for high density DVDs are having problems getting up to speed in creating the machines. This will result in low yields, further driving up the price of the drives.

Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi was not ambivalent about the pricing of the console -- he kept saying it was a premium machine, sold at a premium price. Want a PS3? Work a little harder!

"Our ideal," Kutaragi said, "is for consumers to think to themselves, 'OK, I'll work more hours and buy it.' We want people to feel that they want it, no matter what."

But the consumer reaction was swift -- and harsh. Even the Official Playstation Magazine had a bold cover headline that asked, "Is It Worth $600?"

In June, a month after Sony announced its price points for the PS3, analysts at Merrill Lynch estimated Sony would lose more than $1 billion in the console's first year of existence. By comparison, Sony lost only $458 million during the first year the PS2 was available. The company followed that with two strong years of profit -- $759 million in Year 2 and $1.3 billion in Year 3.

But Merrill Lynch warned that this generation of consoles was not like the last. Microsoft beat Sony for the next generation consoles by a year and a price reduction for the XBox could result in additional losses for Sony -- $730 million in Year 2 and $457 million in Year 3. That's nearly $2 billion in losses over three years.

The Cost of Doing Business

Of course, analysts questioning Sony's moves is nothing new. More than 10 years ago, just six weeks before Sony introduced the original PlayStation, the head of the project team quit amid rumors of difficulties in getting the console out on time.

Analysts at the time believed Sony could lose as much as $200 million on the project in the first year.

Sony's answer at the time was to require retailers to bundle the packages with one or two games, which still left Sony underwater, but not as much as it would have been.

This, of course, begs the question, "Will Sony pull the same thing this year?" It makes sense, especially considering that Sony will be charging a premium price for its games (above $59 and below $99, according to most sources).

The bad news for Sony this year isn't restricted to video game competition. The company is also liable for a large share in the laptop battery recalls being conducted by Dell and Apple. Nearly 6 million batteries have been recalled in the past two months -- all of them manufactured by Sony.

The battery fiasco alone could cost Sony as much as $500 million.

"The most important thing for Sony is maintaining the No. 1 quality, whatever the category or area," Sony Marketing (Japan) Inc. Senior Vice President Kiyoshi Shikano told MarketWatch this month. "So in that sense, unfortunately, the recent happenings have caused some small damage for the business."

In addition, Sony is far behind its competitors in the fast growing LCD flat-screen TV market and has lost its decades-long edge in portable music devices to Apple Computer's iPod players.

Sony is also likely to face a fight in Europe over its partnership with Betlesmann AG. A European court ruled in July that the European Commission was wrong to approve the venture. The court decision means Sony and Bertelsmann will have to re-apply to win European Commission approval for their venture.

At the movie box office, Sony has had great success with its Spiderman franchise, but must wait until May 2007 for the next installment to arrive. The company's biggest film this year has been Will Farrell's Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, which has made $145 million thus far, but lags far behind Disney's hit sequel for Pirates of the Caribbean, which has already made more than $1 billion worldwide this summer.

The Market Leader Goes Into the Cellar

Although the PS2 captured more than a 70 percent share of the previous generation of console sales, it is entering the next generation at a distant third, with Microsoft predicted to sell 10 million XBox 360 consoles and Nintendo selling 4 million of its new Wii consoles, while Sony will be able to push out only 2 million consoles to consumers by the end of this year.

That fact alone has analysts betting that Sony will introduce price cuts quickly. But price cuts, in combination with the losses Sony takes on each machine it sells, are a double-edged sword.

"By reducing the price, it appears that Sony may have prolonged its recouping period of initial investments on the PS3 by a few years," John Yang, a Tokyo-based analyst with Standard & Poor's, told the Wall Street Journal today. According to the Wall Street Journal article, Yang estimates the PlayStation 3 will be unprofitable for at least three years.

The Journal story brings up another point that may draw the most fear in the ranks of Sony -- the PlayStation will no longer dominate game developers. When the original PlayStation and PS2 were introduced, Sony had an impressive lineup of developers who made games exclusively for its consoles. That won't be the case with the PS3.

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," Michihiro Sasaki, senior vice president of Square Enix, told the Wall Street Journal. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

So the price cuts have already begun. On Friday Sony announced a price cut for Japanese buyers (about $410 in U.S. dollars for the low-end version), there was no indication that such a price cut would be given to American customers.

In addition to lowering the price of the low-end model, Sony added an HDMI port to the machine, which further increases the price of raw materials. Sony will undoubtedly be losing even more money than ever before.

Do the Math

As a result, Sony is forecasting an $862 million operating loss for the current fiscal year. But that's going to seem like chicken feed, compared to the loss it's liable to see in 2007.

How much will Sony lose in the next 12 months? Let's count it up.

Sony plans on making 6 million PS3 units before April. Let's say that they sell every one of them at full retail price. With what we know about the materials price -- particularly the price of Blu-Ray players -- let's say that they will lose only $300 for every PS3 they sell.


6,000,000 x $300= $1.8 billion

That's the same amount that analysts figure the PS3 will cost the company over the first three years. Why the disparity?

The analysts are counting on Sony making up the sales of machines with the sales of video games. But it's not going to be as easy for Sony this time. Few game developers are making games exclusively for the PS3.

Also, Sony has already said that games would be at least $10 more than the games for the XBox 360 and at least $20 more than the games for the Nintendo Wii. With everything being the same, would you pay $10 or $20 more for the same game that you could play on your XBox 360 or Wii?

In addition, Sony will be nickle-and-diming you at every opportunity -- particularly with the HDMI cable, which will likely cost between $99 and $129. (That's surely why they added an HDMI port for the low-end PS3. They'll make their money back on the cable for it.)

Surely the discounts will come quickly, but they'll all be a drag on Sony's bottom line. Let's say Sony loses $400 on every box they sell. Here are the numbers:


6,000,000 x $400= $2.4 billion

That really starts taking a mammoth chunk out of Sony's cash. Add to that the half-billion dollars of free laptop batteries they've got to give out and the losses start approaching $3 billion.

But a company like Sony can afford to lose $4 billion, can't it? Once upon a time, that might have been true, but Sony is a much different company today than it was just a few years ago.

The Japanese people who owned shares in Sony could see the value in building for the future. But, with its purchase of Columbia Studios and Columbia Records, Sony has become much more of a multinational company. Today, for the first time in its history, less than half of the company is owned by Japanese investors. Investors in the West demand more short-term benefits.

Devoting nearly half of its cash reserves to losses in the video game and computing sectors, with no guarantee of future profits for another two years, could send the company's stock into a tailspin, once its investors realize the full measure of the grave situation for the company.

In such a situation, Sony could start selling off large chunks of the company. But even that would come at a large cost. For example, selling off the movie division would result in the loss of the Spiderman franchise for the PlayStation. Without an exclusive there, Microsoft and Nintendo would gain the edge in game sales, since their games cost less than Sony's.

Sony has become a minor player in the music player and TV industries, so they wouldn't be able to make much money off selling their stake in the aging Walkman and Trinitron franchises.

When things are all said and done, the most valuable piece of the pie at Sony is its video game division. They could very well put it up for sale. And who could be the potential buyer?

Microsoft.

That's right. I said it. Just think about it.

Who could benefit the most by purchasing Sony's video game division?

Microsoft.

You might say there's no way the U.S. government would allow such a thing. Anti-trust, you say.

Just remember who's running the government. A Microsoft takeover would be treated with the same kid gloves that created DaimlerChrysler.

Who knows? This time next year you could be playing games on a PlayStation 360.

Want a PS3? Work a Little Harder!

So you want to save Sony. What can you do?

Well, as Sony's Kutaragi says, you need to work a little harder and make a little more money.

Stop complaining that the PS3 costs $600. It doesn't. In order to cut down on its losses, Sony is liable to do the same thing to consumers that it did 11 years ago at the original Playstation launch -- it'll require that you buy two games in order to get a machine. That'll boost the price for you to around $725 or so.

But there's more! Want an HDMI cable? That'll be another $100 to $125. Now we're at $850 or so. You've got a Blu-ray player, so you'll want a few Blu-ray movies -- Sony titles only, of course. Buy six of them while you're at it! At an average list price of $25 each, we're talking another $150. That pushes our total price to an even $1,000.

That'll go a long way to saving Sony.

Now who's going to save you?
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And oh, the panic about pricey games? Pfffft...I see $59.99.

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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
Why would they sell them for more in Japan?

So the console is gonna be the same price as Japan, but the games are gonna be cheaper here? Im confused.
B/C they can. Prices in Japan and prices in the US really have nothing to do with each other. Two different countries, two different markets, they can price things however they want.

Oh and BTW, Japan got a 5% price cut on the system... so as it stands now, system will be cheaper but games will be more expensive in Japan then here.
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
And oh, the panic about pricey games? Pfffft...I see $59.99.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...t=moviesmusic#


I personally cannot WAIT for the PS3 the launch. Not so much b/c I'm dying to buy one... but just so people will shut up. I mean seriously, I've never heard so much BS, speculation, and just plain crap about a system launch and I worked in a video game store in the early to mid-90's, so I saw everything from Genesis to SNES to NeoGeo to Sega CD to Sega32x to 3DO to the Atari Jaguar. It's like MS fans (both gamers and journalists) have nothing better to do. Why not shutup and play your 360, and just enjoy it for what it is rather then ragging on the Wii and PS3 to try to make the 360 look better...
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Well, the question more is, why do the Xbox fans and etc. want the PS3 to fail so badly...? Do these folks realize that competition makes the market better and hence better for the consumer...?

If the PS3 was to fail miserably and croak as many are inclined to wish for, it'll make the overall industry worse off IMO. Competition breeds quality, better pricing, and etc...
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
And oh, the panic about pricey games? Pfffft...I see $59.99.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...t=moviesmusic#



From the article you just posted...

It makes sense, especially considering that Sony will be charging a premium price for its games (above $59 and below $99, according to most sources).
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this is not good. why would they do this on like, a next-next gen Tennis game.. when 360 has it already. :shootingselvesinfoot:

http://ww.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19965

Sega confirms no online play for PS3 Virtua Tennis

Matt Martin 11:57 26/09/2006

Another developer drops online play from PlayStation 3 title

Sega Europe has confirmed that the PlayStation 3 version of its popular sports title Virtua Tennis 3 does not have any online features.

The news follows developer Neversoft's recent clarification that the PS3 version of upcoming extreme sports game Tony Hawk's Project 8 for Activision will not feature online play.

"Virtua Tennis 3 PS3 does not have an online mode confirmed at this time," said a statement from Sega.

The lack of online play raises questions regarding Sony's online service for its new home console.

The company last week revealed a range of online features for the PS3, including downloadable content and the ability to play emulated PSone and PS2 titles over the internet.

Sony also discussed the Global Mapping System, which allows users to upload photographs and data about their location and create a detailed view of the world around them - in the hope that consumers can help developers gather information for future game developments.

But with titles from key publishers such as Sega and Activision dropping online features for the PS3, Sony is handing a distinct advantage to Microsoft, in a next-generation battle where online play is becoming an essential - and standard - offering.

Virtua Tennis 3 is due for release in spring 2007 for the Xbox 360, PS3, PSP and PC.
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Well, the question more is, why do the Xbox fans and etc. want the PS3 to fail so badly...? Do these folks realize that competition makes the market better and hence better for the consumer...?

If the PS3 was to fail miserably and croak as many are inclined to wish for, it'll make the overall industry worse off IMO. Competition breeds quality, better pricing, and etc...

Who wants the PS3 to fail
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^ That's not too good.

There goes my hopes of one day e-smashing a tennis ball down srika's throat.
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I personally cannot WAIT for the PS3 the launch. Not so much b/c I'm dying to buy one... but just so people will shut up. I mean seriously, I've never heard so much BS, speculation, and just plain crap about a system launch and I worked in a video game store in the early to mid-90's, so I saw everything from Genesis to SNES to NeoGeo to Sega CD to Sega32x to 3DO to the Atari Jaguar. It's like MS fans (both gamers and journalists) have nothing better to do. Why not shutup and play your 360, and just enjoy it for what it is rather then ragging on the Wii and PS3 to try to make the 360 look better...

I think people will shut up when Sony finally gives us all the info about their product, until then all we are left with because of Sony is speculation
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Who wants the PS3 to fail
I didn't mention you did I, Herr Silverator...?


Just talking generally from what I see on other boards and etc.
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I think people will shut up when Sony finally gives us all the info about their product, until then all we are left with because of Sony is speculation
I agree.

when the console is *supposedly* les than 2 months away, and we dont' even have all the specs yet? that's kinda weird, and makes people (like me) think that sony itself doesn't really know what's going on yet.
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I didn't mention you did I, Herr Silverator...?


Just talking generally from what I see on other boards and etc.

I for one plan on buying a PS3, but thus far I am not very overwhelmed with the news I am reading.

For the first time though, I am thinking that Sony will lose this round of console wars.
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I agree.

when the console is *supposedly* les than 2 months away, and we dont' even have all the specs yet? that's kinda weird, and makes people (like me) think that sony itself doesn't really know what's going on yet.
Specs?

What specifically do you want to know?

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...s-topnav-specs
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Specs?

What specifically do you want to know?

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...s-topnav-specs


Rumors about price drops, rumors about price increases for games, rumors about third party vibration support, etc...

They decide barely two months before it's release to revamp the base PS3 to add HDMI, it sounds like they don't know for sure what it is going to come out as
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yeah the whole project sounds like a crapshoot.
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One thing is for sure -- Sony HAS to bring the PS3 out before Christmas 2k6 ... otherwise the investors will certainly hammer it. (I hear Cramer hit 'the house of pain' button on MadMoney if it doesn't make it...) I've invested enough in MSFT ... maybe this will push it up a couple of bucks so I can cash out a little bit ...

Weird that the full-specs (I mean packages ... not hardware) didn't come out at a major event like CES, E3, or something? (Or did I miss the post entirely? )
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Rumors about price drops, rumors about price increases for games, rumors about third party vibration support, etc...

They decide barely two months before it's release to revamp the base PS3 to add HDMI, it sounds like they don't know for sure what it is going to come out as
See, that's the exact thing. Who cares about those rumors? To me it seems like Sony knows EXACTLY what they're doing. Just b/c they're not releasing the info to the general public right away doesn't mean anything to me. Just means they're being smart with what info they choose to leak and what info they're keeping internal. With rumors constantly floating around about HDMI support, HD-DVD add-ons, and price drops for the 360, why would Sony show their hand now? I completely agree with Sony's strategy. They do not have to release anything to anyone right now. In fact, them being quiet about everything is just generating even more buzz about the system. It's great that they decided to add HDMI support to the "base" PS3, there's another advantage over the 360. Who says they didn't plan this all along and just released the info recently?

It just seems like gamers feel they deserve every little piece of information, and they want it yesterday. Sony has no obligation to do so. Just like the way Honda/Acura is very secretive about redesigns until they choose which autoshow they want to use to unveil it. Sony is being the same way, except they're waiting for launch (or close to it) to release every bit of info. Good for them. I do not think Sony slowly releasing info about pricing or changes is indicitive of anything except showing that gamers and internet geeks really have nothing better to do, and if they aren't the first to know about Sony's plans, feel betrayed and start crying foul. When the system comes out it will be a huge success and they will leapfrog ahead of MS rather quickly. Then they will be battling it out with Nintendo for the top spot of the next-gen console wars.

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I for one plan on buying a PS3, but thus far I am not very overwhelmed with the news I am reading.

For the first time though, I am thinking that Sony will lose this round of console wars.
What are you not overwhelmed with? Look at the facts... The specs are better then the 360. HDMI 1080p support on both versions, 360 is only component and 720p. A next-gen BluRay player normally $1000 as a stand-alone unit is built in while the 360 will need a $200 add-on for HD-DVD. Wireless motion sensitive bluetooth controller. A launch lineup that will rival the 360's current game lineup even though MS had a full year head start. Everything seems to me like it's going according to Sony's plan and they're poised to jump right into the mix of the next-gen console wars.

Instead of people complaining about Sony's delay and rumors they should be bitching about MS rushing their product to market which was ripe with hardware problems from the start, and has had nothing but lackluster titles for last year minus a select few notables. Maybe MS should have followed Sony's plan.

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this is not good. why would they do this on like, a next-next gen Tennis game.. when 360 has it already. :shootingselvesinfoot:
Wait... I'm confused. So you think b/c Sega decided to pull online play out of their game Sony is shooting themselves in the foot? I see several problems with this...

1) It's Sega's decision
2) Sony has nothing to do with it
3) Who gives a shit about online play with Sega Tennis?
4) It will only hurt Sega's sale of the game, not console sales
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What are you not overwhelmed with? Look at the facts... The specs are better then the 360.

Most experts think that the graphics will be about equal, at most a negligible difference for most.


HDMI 1080p support on both versions, 360 is only component and 720p. A next-gen BluRay player normally $1000 as a stand-alone unit is built in while the 360 will need a $200 add-on for HD-DVD.

1080p is worthless to me and virtually everyone else. I just bought a new HDTV last year and have no desire to spend $3,000 again for slightly better graphics for a game console. 90% of what I use the TV for is watching cable, and that sure won't be 1080p for a long while. So 1080p does not overwhelm me one bit.

Blu-Ray is a format that might or not make it. Not a big deal to me

Chances are that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be upstaged by ondemand video anyways.


Wireless motion sensitive bluetooth controller.

I would rather have it give me feedback (rumble)

A launch lineup that will rival the 360's current game lineup even though MS had a full year head start.


And more importantly I have been playing those games for the last year instead of sitting on my butt waiting for the Sony delays to finally end.


Instead of people complaining about Sony's delay and rumors they should be bitching about MS rushing their product to market which was ripe with hardware problems from the start, and has had nothing but lackluster titles for last year minus a select few notables. Maybe MS should have followed Sony's plan.

Yea, it doesn't seem like Sony is rushing to make it to market in time before 2007 or anything.

If you don't think there will be similar issues with the PS3, I have a bridge to sell you.
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See, that's the exact thing. Who cares about those rumors? To me it seems like Sony knows EXACTLY what they're doing. Just b/c they're not releasing the info to the general public right away doesn't mean anything to me. Just means they're being smart with what info they choose to leak and what info they're keeping internal. With rumors constantly floating around about HDMI support, HD-DVD add-ons, and price drops for the 360, why would Sony show their hand now? I completely agree with Sony's strategy. They do not have to release anything to anyone right now. In fact, them being quiet about everything is just generating even more buzz about the system. It's great that they decided to add HDMI support to the "base" PS3, there's another advantage over the 360. Who says they didn't plan this all along and just released the info recently?

It just seems like gamers feel they deserve every little piece of information, and they want it yesterday. Sony has no obligation to do so. Just like the way Honda/Acura is very secretive about redesigns until they choose which autoshow they want to use to unveil it. Sony is being the same way, except they're waiting for launch (or close to it) to release every bit of info. Good for them. I do not think Sony slowly releasing info about pricing or changes is indicitive of anything except showing that gamers and internet geeks really have nothing better to do, and if they aren't the first to know about Sony's plans, feel betrayed and start crying foul. When the system comes out it will be a huge success and they will leapfrog ahead of MS rather quickly. Then they will be battling it out with Nintendo for the top spot of the next-gen console wars.

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How could keeping your product a secret be a good business decision less than 2 months before it is released???

It's not like a competitor is going to steal their ideas and release a copy next year.

Besides yourself, I don't think most consumers or investors think that Sony is really handling this correctly.


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