Yumcha

Okay, is it just me or does it seem that the TSX is a bit overpriced...? I visited the Acura (Canadian) website and configured a TSX with full body kit, MP3 player, 17-inch rims, fog lights, and a few other goodies and it came out about as much as a TL-S...

I dunno, but if that were the case, I'd pick the TL-S over the TSX any day! My thinking is (correct me if I'm wrong) that Acura is not making a whole lot of sense because the TSX is kinda playing in the TL's field...?

juniorbean

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It's not really overpriced b/c the TL will be moving up in price once the '04 is released this fall. From what I've been reading, the MSRP on the TL will be $32k w/o Navi, $34k with. Combine that with the rumors of the CL disappearing, and the TSX is well positioned in between the RSX and the TL.

Zapata

Overpriced? You on crack? It's obvious you haven't sat in one or even driven one. It is a STEAL at 27k.

Yumcha

The stuff I'm on? It's GOOD sh*t, buddy...

While I don't doubt the abilities of the car, I was just very surprised how after I added in the extras that it would come out to be the same price as a TL-S...But, juniorbean did raise a very good point that I have forgotten: the TL is due for a new look and price hike in 2004ish...so...

But...for the moment, I still stand by my comment on me picking a current 2003 TL-S over a TSX. The TL has got more room, more HP, better interior...

Acura Sensei

yumchah,
so ... you like drinking tea? or dimsum?
nevermind.

i'm with you about your comment of picking the current 03 TLS over the TSX. you're definitely getting more for that kind of money.

but let's see what the new 04 model has in store.

anyone going to the NY International Auto Show?

juniorbean

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More room, yes... more HP, yes, better interior.. no way. When the specs and photos came out on the TSX almost everyone who had a CL or TL was hoping and wishing that even half of the features the TSX had would make it into the next gen TL. The inside of the TSX is so hot... you have to see it to fully appreciate it. Check out www.acura-tsx.com for some good pics and info as well as reaction to the car itself....

Davediego

TL-S has a better interior? not a chance, its not even close. actually i think the TSX has a bit more head room then the TL, it felt roomier than my TL for some reason when i test drove it even though i know its a smaller car. the TSX has everything on the TL but power... personally i cant wait for a TSX-S hoping they'll make one for 05, i should have enough cash to trade in for one around then too

Yumcha

Acura Sensei

ever see that email chain about how to write chinese? pretty funny.

Ni Ho Ma?

Zapata

That good? Pass some on this way bro.....share the wealth Especially from BC

Right now, it'd be a hard choice for me. TSX is beautifal. Power is nice but the qaulity in the long run and the mods that will be out for the k24a2 engine as it also has production in europe and japan make the purchase of the car that much more appealing. For me....i'd prolly pic the TSX.

ferizzo

I'll wait for either the v6 TSX or 04 TL. the TSX does look pretty damn sweet!

ComptechType-S

Im waiting to get my hands on a 6spd TSX before i decide. The TSX has all the gadgets you could ever want. It does "feel" a little small but seats 4 sub 6 footers fine. I think the availability of mods will sway me also. I'll have to take another look at the mazda 6 S (w/sport pkg) again also.. A very nice alternate to the TSX. I hope they do a Mazda Speed version

Sarlacc

Until the TL-S get a manual tranny my choice is the TSX. Besides the TL may over take the TSX on the highway, the TSX will outhandle the TL.

fast_daddy_car

What kind of trade in are the CL-S going to get now, either on a new TLS or TSX?

bl^5

What happened to you man? I stopped by D.McD. and they said that you weren't there any more?

The TSX is nice, but come on, it's not better than the TL/CL! I drove a 6 speed and liked it but I was thourouhly dissapointed in the mpg figure! I was hoping that with the 4 banger it would do a bit better in that category. The factory system is truly NICE! The interior is nice as well and I WISH I had dual climate control in my ride. As a matter of fact the only things that I would want from the TSX would be the larger navi screen, the dual climate control, and the side view mirror blinkers. Put those on a CL/TL and the TSX would be put in its place!

ccshamrock2004

i think it's a steal. i test drove one today while the dealership was installing a free titanium shift knob on my rsx(they had to take aoart the counsel). the 6 speed is smooth as silk and the interior and exterior are gorgeous in person. my dad is considering one......next year.

SilverCL225hp

I would definitely take TSX over TL Type S since I think TL is too long in my taste. By the way, I think TSX's tailights are the best looking in Acura lineup.

cnatra

How does a TSX compare to a Jetta GLX ???
( or loaded 1.8T GLS for that matter ?)

about the same size, features & build quality, Jetta has more HP

Sarlacc

Jetta is an overpriced VW piece of junk that will have engine failure or electrical problems in the first 20K.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, no where near the build quality.

And the cost to maintain the car for what it is...Rediculous!

Also imo they have the worst feeling clutches.

VTECPOWER

come on guys, its still a accord!!! A good looking accord and A shitty looking accord. why would u guys pay that much $ for a accord with "A" mark and so-so nice interior?? I dunno!

Zapata

LOL, what is a Lexsus or an infinity? Better toyotas and nissans.

Have you gone and sat inside and driven one?

I am RobG

i dunno man i put the stock kit, foglights, 5 spoke 17's, and spoiler and some goodies and that tsx is looking pretty fuckin good right about now. I'd have to test drive it to see if it meets my speed needs

ComptechType-S

What up bl^5! Sorry i missed you. Well, I kind of quit, took another job, was counter offered and an on vacation now I dont know what the hell im gonna do. The new job sucks but i dont want to go back to a job that i quit. Other than that.. Im chillin. I guess i'll wait until the new Acura store opens in south Austin.

juniorbean

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You could always just wait for the 2004 TL..... http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=89452

eclipse23

Why, I paid for a CLS which is nothing but a glorified accord, what's the difference?

Yumcha

Heh! No probs...I'll have my people call your people!

Well, I dunno...I saw the car when the recent car show came into town and was not totally blown away. I was more impressed with the TL-S A-Spec...AND for some reason, I found the interior of the TSX to somewhat resemble the 1.7 EL...Ack, I dunno...I think it's time to visit my dealership and go for a spin...

NJTypeS

All the TSX needs is the CLS/TLS engine. Its a great looking car. That car would be quick as hell with the type s engine and its lighter weight. With the Type S engine it could possibly be a BMW 3 series killer. I know people say it won't fit under the hood but look at BMW and mercedes. They have their 2 seater roadsters Z3/Z4 and SLK with a V6. Why can't acura put a V6 into their smaller cars? IMO the TSX will not get any respect with a 4 cylinder engine. 4 cylinders does NOT equal luxury.

Chaptorial

I still have to drive it to make an honest decison but as of now i'd take the TL-S over a TSX.

joeandcarol2

A steal at $27K? For a 4 banger? Not for me.

scalbert

The BMW engine is an inline 6. They fit because they are RWD with the engine mounted longitudinally.

But IMO, the J32A2 could easily fit in that bay. It might be tight but certainly could be done. However, it would increase the front end weight bias which is probably one of the reasons why it is not available.

AcuraFan

Right, because the only thing that's important in a car is the number of cylinders.

This is a great car. It lacks a little torque but most test drivers don't seem to care. And it's probably not going to be all that much slower than the TL Type S. It has a better interior, more features, and as much power as any car in it's class for thousands less. YES, it is a "steal" at $27K.

AcuraFan

Because a V6 is heavy and will screw up handling. Plus, you can get just as much power out of a smaller engine (seems to be doing fine for the S2000...a C&D Top Ten).

The TSX is the replacement for the Integra Sedan...and the Integra did infact get a lot of respect. It also sold like crazy. I could be wrong, but wasn't the Integra one of the most profitable luxury cars? (atleast as far as Japanese imports go.)

cnatra

Volvo has I5's & I6's transversely mounted in their cars driving the front wheels (& AWD too)

heck the 1st gen A4 had a longitudinaly(sic?) mounted 2.8L V-6
driving the front wheels & it wasn't a big car

TinkySD

Displacement is good and more cylinders are good but there is more to an engine than just those figures: the torque curve. 90% torque from 2000-7100rpms and 95% torque from 2500-6800 rpms. stock for stock man/man auto/auto it will out run a a4 1.8t and be just as fast as a 325..plus this engine is a tuners delight. HOndata and comptech already have apps in the work. I am a tsx owner and I'm not really a speed freak but this thing moves just fine for what it is.

Allout

I saw it tonight and I'm not overly impressed. It's a great car for a 4 cylinder. It was definitely more roomy than I originally thought. As far as weight, it's only a couple of hundred pounds lighter than a TL-S running with a motor with a heck of a lot less torque. The 6 speed is a plus. 17X7" wheels are also standard rather than the 17X6.5" on the TL-S. Front brake diameter is the same but rear rotors on the TSX are smaller (10.0 I think) as compared with the TL-S's 11.0" rears.

There will be aftermarket parts around in time. Comptech had one in their shop today so they will eventually market some performance parts for it.

I would still take the TL-S over the TSX.

joeandcarol2

Gee I'm glad I'm a loser just because I have a different opinion. There is more to a car than the number of cylinders but you have to look at the competition in this class. Name me a car that sells for $26 - $30K that has a normally asperated 4 cylinder engine (other than the TSX)? If the TSX sold at $22 to $25K it would do fine. But the automotive world is into power now at the TSX price levels.

Sarlacc

No you're just thinking from days of yore. When everywhen said a plague on four cylinders. Well times have and technology have changed.

If youre going to spout shit about it, then at least ante up and go drive the thing first.

I guaruntee you the car will sell with no problems, as a matter of fact it already is...

AcuraFan

No, differing opinions are good...however, all you can do is hate on the car (that you've probably never driven) because it doesn't have as many cylinders as the cars in higher classes. (and the thing is just all in fun.)

"Name me a car that sells for $26 - $30K that has a normally asperated 4 cylinder engine (other than the TSX)?"
Again, you're going back to the idea that the # of cylinders is what's important. To answer your question, none. But that's not the point. So it's normally asperated. So what? It's still more powerful than the A4 1.8t. It's still more powerful than the 325. And they both cost more than the TSX. I just think the hate is unfounded and have to chuckle when people scream "4-BANGER!".

dbox

i still cant get over the power of my s2000. fun lil car

jimcol711

i shudder at the comparison between the TSX and the integra sedan. the integra was never luxury, ever....

the TSX is very nice, its easily on par with a A4 1.8T

the integra was just.....uuugh....the integra (up until its final generation) was such a peice of shit, ugly as hell and cheap looking, anyone who calls that luxury should be shot... the may run very well and have well built drivetrains, but what an ugly, cheap POS they were.... even the last generation, while a MAJOR step up from the shitty beginnings, was still nowhere near luxury. it offered nothing in terms of luxury that a corolla, sentra, cavilier, etc doesnt offer. not a single thing. in terms of a tight little package, fuck yeah, the IT-R was great, but not luxury by any stretch of the imagination. TSX is in a new segment for acura. they have always had bigger luxury sedans, i think this is the first time acura has had a true SMALL luxury sports sedan. i like it alot, i hope it does well.