Whats up with the Acura stated power?
07-24-2006, 10:45 AM
#1
Whats up with the Acura stated power?
I went on the Acura page today and all the cars crank hp ratings dropped. the 260hp MDX is now 253, The TL instead of 270 is not 253, the RSX is 201 instead of 210, RL is 290 instead of 300 and TSX is 205 instead of 215.....what the crap? Did the cars power actually drop or do they still make the same power to the wheels?!
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07-24-2006, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by n3o
really? I could of sworn it was 215 rated hp
The '04 and '05 were rated at 200. The '06 models got a little power bump from improved breathing and would make around 210hp if it were rated with the old SAE system.
07-24-2006, 11:23 AM
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The funniest thing was that some idiot Infiniti salesman tried to tell me that Acura dropped the power on its cars because the FWD couldnt handle it!?!
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
07-24-2006, 11:49 AM
#7
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
The '04 and '05 were rated at 200. The '06 models got a little power bump from improved breathing and would make around 210hp if it were rated with the old SAE system.
Originally Posted by Hondata
The 06 TSX has the following improvements:
Increased intake flow:
Intake valve + 1 mm oversize
Intake cam High lift lobe with 0.9 mm more lift and 12 degrees more duration
Throttle body increased from 60-64mm
Radius on some intake pipes increased from 70-80mm
Increased exhaust flow
Exhaust Head pipe increased from 60-65mm
Higher flow catalytic converter
Main (single) exhaust pipe increased from 54-57mm
Rear (twin) pipes increased in diameter from 42.5 to 45mm
Block improvements:
Additional air passages in crankcase for reduced pumping losses
Other
Stronger connecting rods
New crankshaft with more counterbalance weight
Revised pistons with more valve-piston clearance
04 TSX and 06 TSX comparison
This compares a stock 06 MT TSX with a stock 04 MT TSX. Both cars had less than 1000 miles at the time of the dyno. As you can see differences are mainly at the top end on the high cam. On the high cam, the 06 generates about 15HP more
Increased intake flow:
Intake valve + 1 mm oversize
Intake cam High lift lobe with 0.9 mm more lift and 12 degrees more duration
Throttle body increased from 60-64mm
Radius on some intake pipes increased from 70-80mm
Increased exhaust flow
Exhaust Head pipe increased from 60-65mm
Higher flow catalytic converter
Main (single) exhaust pipe increased from 54-57mm
Rear (twin) pipes increased in diameter from 42.5 to 45mm
Block improvements:
Additional air passages in crankcase for reduced pumping losses
Other
Stronger connecting rods
New crankshaft with more counterbalance weight
Revised pistons with more valve-piston clearance
04 TSX and 06 TSX comparison
This compares a stock 06 MT TSX with a stock 04 MT TSX. Both cars had less than 1000 miles at the time of the dyno. As you can see differences are mainly at the top end on the high cam. On the high cam, the 06 generates about 15HP more
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07-24-2006, 12:01 PM
#9
What Would Don Draper Do?
Originally Posted by moomaster_99
The funniest thing was that some idiot Infiniti salesman tried to tell me that Acura dropped the power on its cars because the FWD couldnt handle it!?!
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
07-24-2006, 12:02 PM
#10
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
I forgot about that. It looks like Acura is being very conservative with the 205hp rating.
07-24-2006, 12:38 PM
#11
Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
They're getting about as understated as Porsche.
07-24-2006, 01:05 PM
#12
Originally Posted by phile
Not sure that's a wise move on Honda's part when competitors like Toyota and Nissan are starting to up the ante on hp.
Better to under-promise and over-deliver than to have to deal with the backlash of over-promising and under-delivering...:cough:mazda:cough:
07-24-2006, 01:06 PM
#13
Originally Posted by moomaster_99
The funniest thing was that some idiot Infiniti salesman tried to tell me that Acura dropped the power on its cars because the FWD couldnt handle it!?!
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
So, I told him that he doesnt know what hes talking about and then he told me, "Then why did the power drop?" (With a bit of smirk)
and I replied, " Because Honda has moved to the new SAE standard of rating hp, which Nissan hasnt done yet cause then a lot of their cars would no longer make 300+hp!" (I said this very loudly so everyone in the showroom could hear)
Nothing like telling a salesman he's an ignorant tool in front of all his customers. Nicely done.
07-24-2006, 04:46 PM
#14
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Better to under-promise and over-deliver than to have to deal with the backlash of over-promising and under-delivering...:cough:mazda:cough:
I was selling for Honda when that happened. That was funny shit. They were giving away buy backs on the cars, refunds of a couple grand if they wanted to keep the car, and huge, free warranties. Typical Ford management.
07-25-2006, 03:40 PM
#16
I was told buy a salesperson .. that they have started rating there HP at the wheels now.. and not at the crank.. so the number they are advertising.. is wheel HP not crank.. dunno how true that is..
07-25-2006, 03:42 PM
#17
Senior Moderator
So, without looking it up, what are the actual HPs for the CL-S and TL-S...? Are they 260 or are they over-stated...?
07-25-2006, 03:46 PM
#18
Originally Posted by Yumchah
So, without looking it up, what are the actual HPs for the CL-S and TL-S...? Are they 260 or are they over-stated...?
Hard to say. It's not a matter of overstating so much as the standard was adjusted to account for a slightly varied set of factors. If I had to guess, I would say that 260 hp translates into about 253 hp under the new SAE standard.
07-25-2006, 03:47 PM
#19
Photography Nerd
Originally Posted by JdmStyle
I was told buy a salesperson .. that they have started rating there HP at the wheels now.. and not at the crank.. so the number they are advertising.. is wheel HP not crank.. dunno how true that is..
It's still crank hp. Google SAE J2723 if you want to learn how it's measured.
07-25-2006, 06:10 PM
#20
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Better to under-promise and over-deliver than to have to deal with the backlash of over-promising and under-delivering...:cough:mazda:cough:
07-26-2006, 06:01 AM
#21
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
It's still crank hp. Google SAE J2723 if you want to learn how it's measured.PLUS.. he was a pushy salesman.. I hate that... I'm already driving a TSX.. leave me alone..lol
07-26-2006, 06:09 AM
#22
Photography Nerd
Originally Posted by JdmStyle
I didn't really know.. cause we weren't talking numbers.. just that they had changed the way they rate HP..
PLUS.. he was a pushy salesman.. I hate that... I'm already driving a TSX.. leave me alone..lol
PLUS.. he was a pushy salesman.. I hate that... I'm already driving a TSX.. leave me alone..lol
I was told that the Accord coupe was AWD by a salesman when it first came out.
07-26-2006, 07:06 AM
#23
Originally Posted by phile
Or...just state the real hp, and deliver on that. Seems to be working fine for everybody else.
07-26-2006, 12:05 PM
#24
Registered Abuser of VTEC
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Not true. A lot of companies intentionally underrate their hp for a variety of reasons. The Neon SRT-4 is a good example. Since there are so many factors invovled in the hp that a particular engine makes, some companies are simply playing it safe by offering a slightly lower number.
07-26-2006, 12:05 PM
#25
Registered Abuser of VTEC
Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
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I was selling for Honda when that happened. That was funny shit. They were giving away buy backs on the cars, refunds of a couple grand if they wanted to keep the car, and huge, free warranties. Typical Ford management.
I was selling for Honda when that happened. That was funny shit. They were giving away buy backs on the cars, refunds of a couple grand if they wanted to keep the car, and huge, free warranties. Typical Ford management.
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