It's more tossable but it's likely not even close to that of a S2000 when you get it on a track. The inherent flaws of the car (front engine, FWD) are things you can never change. The S2k comes from the factory the way a performance car should be, front/mid engine, RWD and with perfect weight distribution.

 

I feel like I'm talking to a tofu box.

 

Took the RSX to the track yesterday - first things first, people were really surprised how fast it went around the track - one person was videotaping told me after that I almost had it on three wheels in one area

the problem is the typical issue with most FWD - under-steer

at the limit, the only two ways to avoid the under-steer is to either lift the hand brakes to make it over-steer, or let go the gas and jerk the wheel right and left - but it's not fun to do that all the time obviously

The one FWD car I saw there that actually had over-steering capabilities stock was the Focus ST - that was amazing.

Will take the S2000 to the track in June and report back

but for now, even though the RSX feels really good on the street, it does suffer from massive under-steer at the limit

I suspect the TL-S I sold would have been the same?

 

Best way to get a FWD car to oversteer is turn in a corner, floor it mid corner, wait for the weight to transfer to the back, and then quickly lift off. You basically have to actively try to unsettle the rear of the car but note that this method is not at all easy to control as power oversteer would be. FoST can do it because of chassis rigidity and driver skill.

TLS would likely been worse given the higher weight and longer wheelbase.

 

Why the eff would you need a 3 inch exhaust, you're actually losing power here.



Srs..


Are you fucking kidding me..

 

NSX7, we told you this.




can we get a user name change to tofubox pls?

 

I can understand all these if the RSX or your TL was your only car.

But you have the s2000 already. If you want to drive something tossble or on the track, just take the s2000.

I thought the whole point of having another car besides the s2000 is to have some different and more practical....

 

 

 

at ralph eating glue

 

 

2 reasons - 1. the S2000 sits all winter, hence the quest for another fun car (call it greedy)

2. I didn't want to track the S2000 as I don't want to take that chance and hit it - I was told by many people that it is not a forgiving car to track and mistakes are usually costly in that car.

I did think about selling it - but with value of the car appreciating, why not keep it since I have fun with it in the summer anyways

 

You go to the track in the winter in Toronto?

 

Fellow Aziner just took first place in his TL..

 

So you don't want to track your S2K because you don't want to take the risk and wreck it? You don't have to drive fast to learn how "tossable" the car is.

Don't you think you can learn how to properly drive your RWD car with some instructions? Anybody can do it. Just need to learn how to control the car before really going balls out at the track.

Nobody's telling you to push your car to the limit. That's the predominant misconception of track driving.

This is not an opinion, it's a fact. The S2K is one of the most "tossable" and capable cars.

Nobody's arguing that RSX-S is a tossable car. It is a tossable car. But stop saying that you THINK it is as tossable as capable car as S2K is. Because it's not.

 

Sign up for driving school. Bring the S2k. Learn the limits and how not to exceed them.

 

Yep. The only way to learn how to not to exceed the limit is to go over the limit...

 

Ask for a ride in one. You'd be amazed at how easy it is to kick the rear out in the Focus ST. Especially with a larger rear sway bar.

It's fun.

But you're missing out on the S2K. Listen to these intelligent folks and bring it to the track with some supervision/instruction. You'll fall in love with it.

 

You have an S2000 and yet you but an RSX to track it instead?

 

^


he doesnt want to hurt himself.

 

Come on man, you can't track a S2000 in the winter. RSX was naturally the next best choice.

 

Should have sold your S2k.

 

WHAT IF HE WRECKS IT!???

Why not!?

 

I keep seeing 50/50 weight distribution in this thread. 50/50 weight distribution being perfect is as big an automotive myth as premium fuel increasing the mileage of your 1995 accord.

50/50 is not perfect, the best handling cars are closer to 40/60.

 

we are not talking about the best handling and 50/50 or 40/60 is debatable.

But it is one of the best balanced/fun, tossable car.

Some people define best handling as best performance
Some people define best handling as best lap time
Some people define best handling as most fun/tossable

But a lot of the times they are not the same thing as Best Performance =/= Best Lap time =/= most fun/tossable

 

How is a car tossable if it doesn't handle well? I can toss my jeep into a corner just as fast as you can an S2000. My jeep will roll over 3-15 times and end up in a ditch an your S2000 will be a half mile down the road.

Unless we are talking about tossing a car out of control, a tossable car has to be good handling by default.

I'd say a cayman/boxster or a lotus Elise is much more tossable than a s2k. That back end feels much more planted than the honda and they are also closer to that 40/60 distribution mark. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 50/50 is bad, I'm just saying it's highly over rated as "the ultimate setup".

In full truth weight distribution being dumbed down to 50/50 40/60 or 60/40 is only a fraction of the weight distribution equation. The more weight you can keep low and between the front and rear axles is key. Weight that hangs off the front or rear causes more pendular motion in a corner. Simply splitting the distribution down the mathematical mid point of the car over simplifies reality.

 

OP wanted to see if TLS can be made as tossable as S2K.

And he got a RSX-S and thinks it is as tossable as S2K.

No reason to really go into super technical detail. Trust me. There's no need to go there.

 

I don't think i have ever disagreed with that?

 

If tossable means easy to drive fast with little chance of "losing it", I might agree. It's pretty easy to push too hard and lose the back end of a s2k. A pro driver is going to turn faster laps in a s2k than in a RSX-S but an amatuer may be quicker and more in control of the fwd platform

 

Uh why don't you ask OP what he meant by tossable? I don't know.

You are assuming shitload of stuff In your post. Not sure what you are trying to get from this.

 

That was a funny mental image.

 

There's a place in New Jersey that specializes in tossing things

 

 

Closed down..

 

What makes a salad tossable? Is it the ability of the salad to be tossed? Or is it the tosser's ability to toss? I always ask myself this question. /philosoraptor

 

40 ketchup / 60 mustard according to black label.

 

I don't think that makes a good dressing.

 

Jelly.

 

60 PB / 40 Jelly

 

How would you know?