dom

Z06 vs F430 (hope its not a repost)

Co-worker sent me this link claiming how the F430 can't keep up with a Z06. I don't nessessaraly doubt it but I don't thnk this particular F430 was pushing very hard? The video also makes it seem like the F430 is simply no match.

Thoughts?

Its long BTW

http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-vid...view.1013.0.25

fdl

Moog-Type-S

It all depends on the drivers....and yea, it does not seem that the F430 driver was pushing his car hard.

<----Would take the F430 over the Z06 any day of the week.

YeuEmMaiMai

i'm not buying it...looks staged

gocubsgo55

oh come ON

the F430 driver was NOT driving hard. Look dont get me wrong, the Z06 is an INCREDIBLE car for the price and I absolutely love it, but stock vs. stock it would never break down like that.

S14 n Tsx

he wasnt trying...

Black Tire

good lord I hate these vids hating on other cars and drivers.

vwong

The driver in the F430 seems to have coasted through many of the corners.

daemonicus

1/4 Vette = 11.7 @ 123 mph
1/4 F430 = 12.5 @ 116

Vette 0-150 mph = 17.7 s
F430 0-150 = 23.8 s

Vette 1.6-mile road course, lap time/mph = 1:15.85 / 75.9
F430 1.6-mile road course, lap time/mph = 1:18.20 / 73.7

Clearly the Vette is a faster car, shit, it gets to 150 mph an entire 6 seconds quicker! but...the driver in the F430 in that vid seemed like he was holding back.

Also, even though the Vette starts at $65, 690 and the Ferrari comes in at $174,535...I'd rather save up my entire life and spend 3 times the money and get an AMAZING supercar, than settle for a mediocre Chevy product.

fdl

First off, I'd forget about the straight line numbers. I dont think the F430 is a dragster.

The lap times are more important though, and are the interesting stats. Where did you get those numbers? Source?

AS3.0CL

the F430 wasn't even being pushed. practically no throttle imput on all the corners going through them. wasn't on it until he was going strait out of the corner, never really touched any rumble stripps, and to me never really breaked hard into the corner. i think that driver sucks to, some rich guy that thinks he knows how to drive and really sucks.

i agree with fdl bout how the ferrari isn't all about the strait line. but those stats seem off and i'm wondering who did the testing.

atleast the ferrari will hold it's value. and dam i'm a ferrari fan boy but that driver wasn't pusing it at all and a chevy is a chevy

fsttyms1

The Z06 is a faster car overall than the F430. I believe every thing i saw.
the Z06 ran a 7:42 on the ring.
the F430 ran a 7:55 at the ring

http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=476
http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php?t=12129

fsttyms1

And to play Devils advocate we dont know that the Z06 was pushing it either. (and im a ferrary fan boy too)

Donte99TL

Everyone who knows a little about these 2 cars, knows that the F-430 is clearly slower...If you want to be the fast on the track you buy the Z06. If you want to look cool on the streets you buy the F430.

vishnus11

Depending on the conditions, the F430 will be faster on some occasions and the Z06 may be faster round a track on others. The rags have compared both and the F430 has beat out the Z06 a few times and vice versa (with regard to lap times).

Who gives to shits about objective measurements when your talking about an F430 - its the subjective driving experience that really reveals the magic of that calibre of car.

dom

I'd probly agree. But as vishnus11 just said, depends on the track. Rag times differ. What bothers me about this vid is how one sided they make it seem. And how one sided my Vette loving co-worked believes it to be. Its pure propaganda.

Both cars are in my top 3 BTW.

starsh0t

The magic of F430 isn't in the numbers while z06 depends entirely on it.

Donte99TL

Well when the F430 cost 4 times as much I would hope it wouldn't depend on just one thing.

Donte99TL

I have never seen a review where the F430 was faster. Which review was it? I would like to read it.

Oh and if I could have either one of them it would be F430 any day. But if I had to pay for it well then I would have to go for the Z06.

daemonicus

The September '06 issue of Car and Driver. They also tested the 911 in that article.

Fibonacci

Reading this banter just makes me realize how much Honda needs to get the next gen NSX built NOW!!! And they'd better not fuck it up!

dom

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3768

Click the "View the Track Map" at the top of the page in the yellow box.

0-60:
ZO6 - 4.1
F430 - 3.8

1/4 Mile:
ZO6 - 12.2@118.7
F430 - 11.9@123

0-100-0:
ZO6 - 13.1
F430 - 12.5

Lap Times:
ZO6 - 1:19.5
F430 - 1:17.4

It should be noted that this F430 had the benefit of European launch control. R&T also seems to test the Z06 alot slower than any other mag for some reason. But I think its safe to say these cars should be alot closer that that vid made it seem.

We also talked about it here.

https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/sept-road-track-car-driver-usa-vs-europe-345277/

dom

Lap Times (1.6 mile)
Z06 - 1:15.85/75.9(mph)
911 - 1:17.55/74.3
F430 - 1:18.20/73.7

A C&D test. Its a toss up. Depends on track and driver.

fdl

Drivers race. Bottom line, vid =

Donte99TL

I think the average Joe would go a lot faster in the F430. I do recall reading that the Z06 is a handful to drive fast.

I wonder how fast the supercharged corvette will go when it comes out. Man that thing is going to be a hand full.

CCColtsicehockey

Yumcha

Tell you what, if I had had to choose which car's life to save if both were about to fall off a mountain, I'd still save the F430...don't really care how much faster the Corvette may be fictionally or literally.

dom

So I mentioned my thoughts to the guy at work and he claims he knows the F430 was at its limit cause he cousin has one. I explained his cousin in fact owns a 360, potent yes but no F430. Anyhow he says he could hear how the F430 was redlining every gear and pushing as hard as he could.

I just don't see that being the case.

CLpower

the only mag times i've seen differ are european mags where the 430 is equipped w/ R-compound tires; again those are the only tests i've seen where the 430 is as quick or quicker then the Z06 (in a straight line and on the track)

CLpower

BustedJack

I'd take the zo6 over the F430 anyday

fdl

Hardly seems like a solid opinion.

By the way, could an extra 200 lbs of passenger make a difference? Probably.

fdl

Score one more point for the Ferrari

Fibonacci

bigman

The vette isnt a dragster either. The vette is made for the track just like the ferrari. It is a well documented fact that the Vette is faster in every way than the Ferrari. It's faster in a straight line, from a roll and around the track. I'd rather have a Ferrari any day of the week, but i hear people saying they'd rather have the ferrari because the quality is better. Thats bullshit. The materials, fit, and finish may be better, but supercars like Ferraris and Lambos are always the cars you see in pics on fire. Ferraris are notorious for having problems that a car at that expense shouldnt have. Not to say that the vette doesnt have problems of its own. The thing about the F430 is that it isnt as hard a car to drive as the vette. The vette is more demanding and has less finesse. Seriously though, for the price of the ferrari, i'd rather by myself the vette, do 10 grand in mods, by myself a civic SI sedan, and my wife a Pilot and have some money left over.

fdl

Well, I wouldn't say its a "fact"
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3768

And the vette is not a dragster, but IMO its more a dragster than a Ferrari. I.E. Rear wheel drive american muscle car. I'm too lazy to do the calculations but I'm guessing the HP and Torque per lb ratio is higher on the vette.

I think most people would take the Ferrari because of its looks, heritage, performance, plus that something something that Ferrari's have.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

I think that's pretty obvious considering the 'vette weighs in the neighborhood of 3100 pounds while the Ferrari is closer to 3300 pounds.

ShavedH22CL

I think its legit. the zo6 is an insane car straight up.

bigman

I guess different day different driver, but with similar skilled drivers in both cars, i'd say 8 out of 10 times the vette would take the ferrari on the track.

Black Tire

According to Top Gears speed chart, Corvette Z06 did well.

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/

1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6
2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9
4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5
6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8
7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9
10 Ford GT 1.21.9
11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4
14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7
15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8
16 Noble M15 1.23.9
17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9
18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3
19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6
20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8