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Old 05-23-2018, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Predatorbird View Post
There is an IS38 (Golf R turbo) swap option for the Alltrack and they hold their own down the 1/4 mile. The AWD launch puts them on par with GTI's with the same swap.

Maybe I'll give an SEL a drive, just to see.
Would have to be an SEL though, the interior on the S & SE Golf is Not a fan of the goofy looking vinyl.
Does the Alltrack get the launch control with the DSG?
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There is an IS38 (Golf R turbo) swap option for the Alltrack and they hold their own down the 1/4 mile. The AWD launch puts them on par with GTI's with the same swap.
Anything can be made fast with the right amount of time and money. I'm sure the Alltrack would be fast AF if you swapped the entire Golf R drivetrain into it. Question is how much warranty voiding work (and money and time) do you want to invest in a brand new car vs just getting what you wanted from the get go?

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Maybe I'll give an SEL a drive, just to see.
Would have to be an SEL though, the interior on the S & SE Golf is Not a fan of the goofy looking vinyl.
Does the Alltrack get the launch control with the DSG?
Yes it has launch control (every DSG model has it) but it's mostly useless. Just like how my old E46 Xi had hill descent control...wtf was that for?
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I love wagons.
I love lamp.

I hate that wagons aren't more popular here. I totally get why SUVs are a thing, but by and large a market will either offer plenty of trucks/SUVs/crossovers or hatchbacks/wagons but never both at the same time.
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I have to say though, I used to be "manual or nothing" but even automatics these days are so much better than they were a decade ago. Transmissions like the DSG are even better. I wouldn't mind that in my daily, commuting here in the Bay Area is awful, some here argue it's almost as bad as LA now.
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I was the same. The DSG in the VW is quite good, even the DCT in the new Elantra GT (i30) Sport is pretty good.
But, in a car like the BRZ or Miata, MT >>>>> AT. I couldn't imagine living with a Miata with an AT, even a DCT.
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There are some cars that are just made for an automatic and you can tell that's where the manufacturer put their time and effort to perfect. The MT in the Golf is totally an afterthought, the only reason to get it is if you're just a die hard who can't be bothered to even try the better (and faster) option. On the flip side, the Focus only comes with a manual and they put all of their time and money into that...but mostly the rest of the drivetrain.
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that's how it starts...
you convince yourself auto is better.
before you know it you're on the couch eating pizza at 3am wondering why your wife's happy hour is running so late.

don't do it. get a manual. it's never an afterthought.


an auto is good in traffic and if you're trying to beat a national world record for 60' times and quarterpounder miles...
manual is still a purists preference.

that said, I have 2 of each and I'm happy.
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Originally Posted by rockstar143 View Post
that's how it starts...
you convince yourself auto is better.
before you know it you're on the couch eating pizza at 3am wondering why your wife's happy hour is running so late.

don't do it. get a manual. it's never an afterthought.


an auto is good in traffic and if you're trying to beat a national world record for 60' times and quarterpounder miles...
manual is still a purists preference.

that said, I have 2 of each and I'm happy.
I have one of each and I'm happy but I would have been disappointed if I bought the Golf with the MT. The S2000 has spoiled me for what a good manual is. First time I drove a Focus ST, I thought the shift linkage was broken because it was too smooth.

Auto with low speed adaptive cruise in traffic is ultimate for laziness.
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I wish the V had a dual...
talk about lazy and sloppy...
but yeah, it can obviously handle the torque no problem...
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Originally Posted by rockstar143 View Post

I wish the V had a dual...
talk about lazy and sloppy...
but yeah, it can obviously handle the torque no problem...
A lot of the newer high torque cars are going back to normal torque converter autos because the dual clutch systems can't handle the torque for daily driving. Ferraris and such are exempt because they aren't daily drivers.
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And, some of the tc autos shift nearly as fast as DCTs. Corvette for instance, I seem to recall comparisons of it's tc auto to the PDK.
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A lot of the newer high torque cars are going back to normal torque converter autos because the dual clutch systems can't handle the torque for daily driving. Ferraris and such are exempt because they aren't daily drivers.
Yeah, the new S4 has an auto despite the A4 having a DCT...but no manual. WTF
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1 View Post
Anything can be made fast with the right amount of time and money. I'm sure the Alltrack would be fast AF if you swapped the entire Golf R drivetrain into it. Question is how much warranty voiding work (and money and time) do you want to invest in a brand new car vs just getting what you wanted from the get go?
Not everyone is all about that warranty life. The cost to go fast in the Alltrack is no more than the others. The turbo is $1400, then the usual ECU/TCU tunes, downpipe, etc. It's relatively simple and doesn't involve any crazy swaps.

https://drivetribe.com/p/aprs-golf-a...RhSD2nfjrcTsug
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I got to sit in on a drive in a Focus RS and ST, I can see where you're coming from. Plus I've seen some sell over sticker which has always been a laughable idea to me. "Market adjustment" my a** I didn't think I'd like the R until I drove one. The DSG is honestly the way to go with these. I know, I love manuals, but the DSG is just... better...
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Fine, if I'm ever in a position to buy one, I'll try both.
I am sure it's very satisfying to have instant shifts...
I guess since I've spent so much of my life with a knob in my hand (after I turned 12)
it just seems like it would be something hard to give up.
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Originally Posted by rockstar143 View Post
Fine, if I'm ever in a position to buy one, I'll try both.
I am sure it's very satisfying to have instant shifts...
I guess since I've spent so much of my life with a knob in my hand (after I turned 12)
it just seems like it would be something hard to give up.
It was hard for me to accept to. Shifting yourself is just more satisfying even though the auto is faster
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Originally Posted by projektvertx View Post


It was hard for me to accept to. Shifting yourself is just more satisfying even though the auto is faster

But, like Sam said, there are times where the manual was an afterthought & is just not a great drive.
Seems the GTI/R are this way & I remember the EVO X being similar, that the auto was much much better to drive than the 5MT, which seemed just an afterthought.
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I miss my ep3 shifter...
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So ... Sam.

Tuned yet?
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Between the wife and I ... we have 3 vehicles .... all of which are manuals.

I want an auto for daily commuting...
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Well, you have German and Japanese...
I'm thinking you maybe go American with your daily? Auto V sedan is affordable!
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I can't afford a $30-$40k daily

That's a nice thought though
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Back on topic at hand here.

Sam,

What's your average gas mileage with the Golf R so far?
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Originally Posted by Predatorbird View Post
Not everyone is all about that warranty life. The cost to go fast in the Alltrack is no more than the others. The turbo is $1400, then the usual ECU/TCU tunes, downpipe, etc. It's relatively simple and doesn't involve any crazy swaps.

https://drivetribe.com/p/aprs-golf-a...RhSD2nfjrcTsug
Eh, in that case there are other options I'd go with like an older TDI wagon or something along those lines. I don't find much value in buying a brand new car with the intent of dropping an ton of money to make it something different. If a project car is desired, then a used one is the way to go.

JMO of course.

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I got to sit in on a drive in a Focus RS and ST, I can see where you're coming from. Plus I've seen some sell over sticker which has always been a laughable idea to me. "Market adjustment" my a** I didn't think I'd like the R until I drove one. The DSG is honestly the way to go with these. I know, I love manuals, but the DSG is just... better...
You can grab a RS for pretty cheap now because people have realized that they are a one trick pony. They also depreciate rapidly and you can find lightly used ones from 2017 for thousands below new.

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Fine, if I'm ever in a position to buy one, I'll try both.
I am sure it's very satisfying to have instant shifts...
I guess since I've spent so much of my life with a knob in my hand (after I turned 12)
it just seems like it would be something hard to give up.
I really thought so too but it's not. I love a good manual but it has to be a good one. The manual in the Golf just isn't satisfying to use. The S2000 I wouldn't have any other way same with the STI I drove and the Civic Si. The manual in the Golf and the Focus just isn't a very satisfying one to use.

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So ... Sam.

Tuned yet?
Next year is the plan. Want to get further into the miles to let the cobwebs shake out some more. I'm going to reach out to APR to make sure that their warranty covers for the 6/72 period and if they do then game on.

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Between the wife and I ... we have 3 vehicles .... all of which are manuals.

I want an auto for daily commuting...
Buy a Jeep! Then we can basically match.
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I can't afford a $30-$40k daily

That's a nice thought though
I didn't believe you, so I looked...

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always believe him.
he deals in facts.
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I'm the last on the list to get a new car anyhow ... planning on picking up a new-ish Tacoma for the wife this year.
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Wife would look good in a Golf R lease...
with DCT, of course.
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I quote:

Wife: "If I'm going to get a newer car, I'm going to pick what I want."

Me: "Yes, ma'am"

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I can't afford a $30-$40k daily

That's a nice thought though
Between the car, mods, and maintenance of the B5 S4, you already drive a $30k-$40k daily.

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Back on topic at hand here.

Sam,

What's your average gas mileage with the Golf R so far?
In the city it's low to mid 20's if you're good. High teens if you're liberal with the skinny pedal. Cruising on the highway at 75 will get you ~32mpg so not bad at all.

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Wife would look good in a Golf R lease...
with DCT, of course.
Leasing the Golf R is a terrible idea, I looked into it a lot.
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I'm the last on the list to get a new car anyhow ... planning on picking up a new-ish Tacoma for the wife this year.
I'll give you a great deal on a 2.7 F150
Then you can have 2 TT 2.7 V6s in your garage.
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3 pages since the first round of pics....where they at, Sam!???
and congrats!
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I'll give you a great deal on a 2.7 F150
Then you can have 2 TT 2.7 V6s in your garage.


Check your PMs.
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3 pages since the first round of pics....where they at, Sam!???
and congrats!
Car is dirty AF right now after it rained. Will take more pics over the weekend especially after I give the S2000 a much needed bath.
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Check your PMs.


Sam, took an Alltrack for a spin & agree, not a contender. If the Alltrack had GTI power, I'd be sold, it just lacked some hustle. Otherwise, I really liked it.
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