USA Today: Navigation Systems Hurt Resale Value
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USA Today: Navigation Systems Hurt Resale Value
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In-car navigation takes a new turn amid resale woes
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
Built-in navigation systems increase the depreciation of a car or truck, a startling fact that has some car companies rethinking their approach to the $2,000 factory-installed systems.
"Navigation could be like cellphones built into cars in the '70s and '80s; those big, blocky phones that nobody has now. Everybody has a small, personal cellphone," says John Krafcik, vice president for product development at Hyundai Motor America.
Hyundai will begin offering built-in navigation on top models later this year, but for most models it emphasizes Garmin International's (GRMN) $750 Nüvi portable units sold by Hyundai dealers.
"You can unplug them, take them along when you travel, use them in your rental car, even listen to music or watch movies on some of them," Krafcik says.
Toyota (TM) plans to announce later this year that it will offer lower-price, "entry-level navigation on some models," says Paul Williamsen, product education specialist who oversees training of dealership employees and recently was named manager of what Toyota calls Lexus College.
"We're sensitive to the issue" of navigation depreciation "and hope to reduce the gap between what a buyer pays new and what it's worth used."
He says the entry setup will lack voice command and will have a lower-resolution display but will retain touch-screen controls. "That's an expensive component but highly valued by consumers," and it distinguishes built-ins from most add-ons, he says.
Posh brand Land Rover made navigation optional on its LR2 small SUV to avoid pulling down the resale value of all LR2s.
"I had to assign special VINs (vehicle identification numbers) to the ones with navigation," says product planner Greg Gilliland.
LR2 without navigation will be worth 55% of its original value after three years, while one with navigation will be worth 52%, Automotive Lease Guide (ALG) has projected. ALG is a major forecaster of so-called residual values, used as a guide for lease contracts and as a measure of expected depreciation.
Two reasons that navigation isn't worth much in a used vehicle:
•Used-car buyers are looking for bargains, not technology, says James Clark, senior manager of consulting for ALG.
Clark's example: A high-end 2007 Acura TSX sedan should be worth 55% after three years without navigation, 53% with. The $2,000 navigation option winds up adding no more than $600 to the value of the 3-year-old car, he says.
Other technology that usually depreciates fast, according to Clark: adaptive cruise control, night vision, cooled seats.
•Technology changes. "The development cycle on these (portable) units is a year or less," says Ted Gartner, Garmin spokesman.
Selling portable systems through auto dealers "is an easy way to offer the latest and greatest unit to the customer in the showroom, already in a buying mood. Rolling $750 into a car note isn't that much," he says.
For $1,000 or less, portable navigation units can provide Bluetooth phone compatibility, real-time traffic updates, weather reports and locations of the cheapest gasoline.
Plug-in software cards can show the latest restaurant ratings, movie listings and other features that equal or better $2,000-and-up factory-supplied systems.
A major difference: Some automakers' units can be controlled by voice commands; most portables can't.
Garmin's financials are telling. The company reported a net income jump to $514 million last year vs. $311 million in '05, largely driven by a 270% boost in auto and portable navigation revenue, to nearly $1.1 billion.
Honda's (HMC) luxury brand Acura, a pioneer of navigation systems, remains committed to factory-installed units, says John Watts, Acura product planning manager.
"People who buy luxury cars don't want something stuck on their dash," he says. "And they're fearful of theft."
Honda's own lender, American Honda Finance, shows navigation-equipped models are worth 1 percentage point less as used cars than non-navigation models, Watts says, though "five years ago, they were at the ALG level of 2 or 3 points difference."
Alpine Electronics of America sells built-in systems to car companies for factory installation and has discussed models out to 2012, so it doesn't see automaker-installed navigation vanishing.
But portables are growing so fast that Alpine decided it had to develop those, too, and jumped into the market in 2005.
"It's the only growth area of the automotive electronics segment, and it's triple-digit growth" from year to year, says Stephen Witt, Alpine's vice president of marketing.
So many companies are rushing out new portables, he says, that units as cheap as $200 or so are "sold everywhere. You have Bed Bath & Beyond selling portable navigation these days. It's bizarre."
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
Built-in navigation systems increase the depreciation of a car or truck, a startling fact that has some car companies rethinking their approach to the $2,000 factory-installed systems.
"Navigation could be like cellphones built into cars in the '70s and '80s; those big, blocky phones that nobody has now. Everybody has a small, personal cellphone," says John Krafcik, vice president for product development at Hyundai Motor America.
Hyundai will begin offering built-in navigation on top models later this year, but for most models it emphasizes Garmin International's (GRMN) $750 Nüvi portable units sold by Hyundai dealers.
"You can unplug them, take them along when you travel, use them in your rental car, even listen to music or watch movies on some of them," Krafcik says.
Toyota (TM) plans to announce later this year that it will offer lower-price, "entry-level navigation on some models," says Paul Williamsen, product education specialist who oversees training of dealership employees and recently was named manager of what Toyota calls Lexus College.
"We're sensitive to the issue" of navigation depreciation "and hope to reduce the gap between what a buyer pays new and what it's worth used."
He says the entry setup will lack voice command and will have a lower-resolution display but will retain touch-screen controls. "That's an expensive component but highly valued by consumers," and it distinguishes built-ins from most add-ons, he says.
Posh brand Land Rover made navigation optional on its LR2 small SUV to avoid pulling down the resale value of all LR2s.
"I had to assign special VINs (vehicle identification numbers) to the ones with navigation," says product planner Greg Gilliland.
LR2 without navigation will be worth 55% of its original value after three years, while one with navigation will be worth 52%, Automotive Lease Guide (ALG) has projected. ALG is a major forecaster of so-called residual values, used as a guide for lease contracts and as a measure of expected depreciation.
Two reasons that navigation isn't worth much in a used vehicle:
•Used-car buyers are looking for bargains, not technology, says James Clark, senior manager of consulting for ALG.
Clark's example: A high-end 2007 Acura TSX sedan should be worth 55% after three years without navigation, 53% with. The $2,000 navigation option winds up adding no more than $600 to the value of the 3-year-old car, he says.
Other technology that usually depreciates fast, according to Clark: adaptive cruise control, night vision, cooled seats.
•Technology changes. "The development cycle on these (portable) units is a year or less," says Ted Gartner, Garmin spokesman.
Selling portable systems through auto dealers "is an easy way to offer the latest and greatest unit to the customer in the showroom, already in a buying mood. Rolling $750 into a car note isn't that much," he says.
For $1,000 or less, portable navigation units can provide Bluetooth phone compatibility, real-time traffic updates, weather reports and locations of the cheapest gasoline.
Plug-in software cards can show the latest restaurant ratings, movie listings and other features that equal or better $2,000-and-up factory-supplied systems.
A major difference: Some automakers' units can be controlled by voice commands; most portables can't.
Garmin's financials are telling. The company reported a net income jump to $514 million last year vs. $311 million in '05, largely driven by a 270% boost in auto and portable navigation revenue, to nearly $1.1 billion.
Honda's (HMC) luxury brand Acura, a pioneer of navigation systems, remains committed to factory-installed units, says John Watts, Acura product planning manager.
"People who buy luxury cars don't want something stuck on their dash," he says. "And they're fearful of theft."
Honda's own lender, American Honda Finance, shows navigation-equipped models are worth 1 percentage point less as used cars than non-navigation models, Watts says, though "five years ago, they were at the ALG level of 2 or 3 points difference."
Alpine Electronics of America sells built-in systems to car companies for factory installation and has discussed models out to 2012, so it doesn't see automaker-installed navigation vanishing.
But portables are growing so fast that Alpine decided it had to develop those, too, and jumped into the market in 2005.
"It's the only growth area of the automotive electronics segment, and it's triple-digit growth" from year to year, says Stephen Witt, Alpine's vice president of marketing.
So many companies are rushing out new portables, he says, that units as cheap as $200 or so are "sold everywhere. You have Bed Bath & Beyond selling portable navigation these days. It's bizarre."
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Never thought about it, but it makes a lot of sense. Portable navi systems are still kinda ghetto when you think about it, but I definitely would take one of those for $1,000 less to sacrifice the ergonomics of the built-in system and voice commands.
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Screw that, I'd take a built in anyday. Resale value differences mean nothing to me as compared to the hassle of having to make sure my portable is hidden everytime I drive and stop somewhere. It's also cleaner looking than having something hanging off your windshield.
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Screw that, I'd take a built in anyday. Resale value differences mean nothing to me as compared to the hassle of having to make sure my portable is hidden everytime I drive and stop somewhere. It's also cleaner looking than having something hanging off your windshield.
My main concerns are the durability of the touchscreen, and perpetually getting updated maps -- I'm already finding stale data in the gf's 06 TSX nav system.
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When I bought my wife's 2007 TSX, I thought about the navi, since she has such poor direction and I don't want her looking at a Mapquest print out as she drives. ![Yuck](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yuck.gif)
Nevertheless, I was going to buy her a Garmin or some other portable GPS device instead for Christmas because I couldn't justify the cost of a built-in system. Until there is economy of scale, the portable unit makes far more sense to me (maybe because I'm a cheap bastard!
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Nevertheless, I was going to buy her a Garmin or some other portable GPS device instead for Christmas because I couldn't justify the cost of a built-in system. Until there is economy of scale, the portable unit makes far more sense to me (maybe because I'm a cheap bastard!
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I for one wish I had navi in my TSX, and I have thought about getting a Garmin or other portable unit, but I just hate having things on my dash like that. I already have an XM radio propped up on one of the air vents, and wish to high heaven I had an '05 or later that has them built in.
I think the resale (navi-wise) is probably worse for cars like BMW that don't have as nice a navi system as Honda/Acura. If it's a well-built and easy to use system, it's more likely that people will want it, but if it sucks, it's not going to be desirable, especially on an older car.
I think the resale (navi-wise) is probably worse for cars like BMW that don't have as nice a navi system as Honda/Acura. If it's a well-built and easy to use system, it's more likely that people will want it, but if it sucks, it's not going to be desirable, especially on an older car.
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I think the article above is flawed ...
All the above options are found on high end cars ... depreciation on high end cars generally are greater than low end cars. Those who can afford a $40k+ car don't buy used ... they'd rather buy one new. Those who buy $20k-$30k cars may be in the market for a used car with those options ... and those shoppers definitely look for bargains. Duh -- why else would they depreciate faster?
Other technology that usually depreciates fast, according to Clark: adaptive cruise control, night vision, cooled seats.
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I beleive if the built-ins had more frequent updates, or even real time satellite linked updates they would be more sought after.
I would also like to see this same depreciation study done on other car upgrades. We all know that you lose value on upgrades it isn't just limited to navi.
I would also like to see this same depreciation study done on other car upgrades. We all know that you lose value on upgrades it isn't just limited to navi.
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When I bought my wife's 2007 TSX, I thought about the navi, since she has such poor direction and I don't want her looking at a Mapquest print out as she drives. ![Yuck](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yuck.gif)
Nevertheless, I was going to buy her a Garmin or some other portable GPS device instead for Christmas because I couldn't justify the cost of a built-in system. Until there is economy of scale, the portable unit makes far more sense to me (maybe because I'm a cheap bastard!
)
![Yuck](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yuck.gif)
Nevertheless, I was going to buy her a Garmin or some other portable GPS device instead for Christmas because I couldn't justify the cost of a built-in system. Until there is economy of scale, the portable unit makes far more sense to me (maybe because I'm a cheap bastard!
![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
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The downside with portable GPS units is that their screens can be smaller than some of the good in-dash systems, and because they aren't in-dash, the interior doesn't have a nice clean look (have to find a spot to place the GPS unit). That kinda sucks.
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True to some extend. Unless you want to sell the car 10 years from now, it really doesn't make a difference. A 2004 TL with Navi is still better than a 2004 TL without a Navi.
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In general (historically speaking and as derrick pointed out), any higher end models will depreciate more than that of a lower end models particularly given the fact that depreciation is value driven. (In many cases, the same applies towards trim levels within particularl model lineups). If any thing, the writer of that article is
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That said, I have an oem nav system (07 Accord), an aftermarket indash Pioneer nav system (00 Quest) and a Tom Tom One for use in our Murano. Honestly, the Pioneer AVIC-D1 in our minivan is the best of the three particularly as it can be expanded to incorporate: XM radio, XM traffic, Sirius radio, rear view camera, etc,… The purchase and install only totalled $1,268…which is far below the typical 1,800-2,200 an indash OEM navi costs at a dealership. But, Costwise:utility the Tom Tom is hard to beat for $300….had I known how good the TT1 was prior to buying the Accord, I might have gone with a non-Navi model. (Do not get me wrong: the OEM navi screen completes the dashboard but the voice activation/control lost its novelty by week two of my ownership.
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That said, I have an oem nav system (07 Accord), an aftermarket indash Pioneer nav system (00 Quest) and a Tom Tom One for use in our Murano. Honestly, the Pioneer AVIC-D1 in our minivan is the best of the three particularly as it can be expanded to incorporate: XM radio, XM traffic, Sirius radio, rear view camera, etc,… The purchase and install only totalled $1,268…which is far below the typical 1,800-2,200 an indash OEM navi costs at a dealership. But, Costwise:utility the Tom Tom is hard to beat for $300….had I known how good the TT1 was prior to buying the Accord, I might have gone with a non-Navi model. (Do not get me wrong: the OEM navi screen completes the dashboard but the voice activation/control lost its novelty by week two of my ownership.
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I agree the article is flawed. It's not just the navis that add to the depreciation of the car. It is dead on that most used car shoppers are looking for bargains and not all the gadgets.
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btw, I didn't post this thread because I agree with it, but because I find it interesting... in fact, prior to buying my FX, I've always said "My next car WILL have navi". I told everyone that... but when I stumbled onto the deal I had with the FX, I took the opportunity of a great deal... but it doesn't have navi... I can live with it... but what bothers me is... the FX's w/o navi has a big orange screen...
.... while it functions as a display for A/C, radio, average mpg, your next service count down etc etc... it's WAY TOO big for what it does. It's overkill, people that get in my car the first time always ask "...is that navigation?"
Can it be converted to be a navi?
Can you buy the factory navi and have it installed? I believe you can... but it's VERY pricey. This is the part I don't understand. Why can't they make it so that people can have the factory navi installed later, and NOT cost an arm and a leg? I know with the TL-S, I felt the same way... all the none navi people over at the FX forum feel the same too... I know it's just some kind of marketing... but I bet if it only cost say... $1000 vs... $2000-$3000 or more... more people would do it
If the car companies did so... it would also take away some profits from companies like Pioneer. Personally, I don't care for aftermarket decks, I'm fine with the stock radio, but if I really wanted a navi setup, I might have to go that route... It may even take some business away from the portable GPS market as well...
or going back to the article... say, you buy a used car with outdated navi... they should make it affordable for people to upgrade to something comparable to what's current technology.
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.... while it functions as a display for A/C, radio, average mpg, your next service count down etc etc... it's WAY TOO big for what it does. It's overkill, people that get in my car the first time always ask "...is that navigation?"
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or going back to the article... say, you buy a used car with outdated navi... they should make it affordable for people to upgrade to something comparable to what's current technology.
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Originally Posted by is300eater
btw, I didn't post this thread because I agree with it, but because I find it interesting... in fact, prior to buying my FX, I've always said "My next car WILL have navi". I told everyone that... but when I stumbled onto the deal I had with the FX, I took the opportunity of a great deal... but it doesn't have navi... I can live with it... but what bothers me is... the FX's w/o navi has a big orange screen...
.... while it functions as a display for A/C, radio, average mpg, your next service count down etc etc... it's WAY TOO big for what it does. It's overkill, people that get in my car the first time always ask "...is that navigation?"
Can it be converted to be a navi?
Can you buy the factory navi and have it installed? I believe you can... but it's VERY pricey. This is the part I don't understand. Why can't they make it so that people can have the factory navi installed later, and NOT cost an arm and a leg? I know with the TL-S, I felt the same way... all the none navi people over at the FX forum feel the same too...
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.... while it functions as a display for A/C, radio, average mpg, your next service count down etc etc... it's WAY TOO big for what it does. It's overkill, people that get in my car the first time always ask "...is that navigation?"
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Originally Posted by is300eater
This is the part I don't understand. Why can't they make it so that people can have the factory navi installed later, and NOT cost an arm and a leg?
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Personally, I would rather have navi on my car then not. I have it on two of my vehicles, and is a must for all future cars. As far as the "outdated" comment, as long as it's a DVD based system that can be updated, it doesn't really matter. It will do the job. Shoot, I would still be happy with my '01 CL navi if I still had the car.
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I'll take the built-in Navigation in my G35 Sedan any day over an aftermarket one. I'd much prefer having everything integrated with the rest of the car. Being able to launch a voice command by a button on my steering wheel is invaluable to me.
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I don't think anyone questions whether or not having a built in Nav is a great thing to have, because it obviously is. But just don't expect a used car buyer to pay a 2K premium for Nav equipped model vs a non nav. It won't happen.
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Originally Posted by BoostedJack
Because my friend, it's called "marketing." If you CAN install the factory navi later or mount an aftermarket navi, then nobody would get the navi in the first place.
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Originally Posted by dom
I don't think anyone questions whether or not having a built in Nav is a great thing to have, because it obviously is. But just don't expect a used car buyer to pay a 2K premium for Nav equipped model vs a non nav. It won't happen.
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i think the title of the thread (or article ??) is a little misleading.
Given a car model A and B, A being equipped with navi...
MSRP A: $20k
Navi: A: $2,000
Total: $22,000
MSRP B: $20k
No Navi
Total: $20k
5 years later:
A: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Navi $2000 @ 70% depreciation = $600
Total: $10,600
$10.6k / $20k = 48% retained value
B: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Total: $10,000
$10k / $20k = $50% retained value.
Both cars depreciated the same (50%). But the car equipped with the navigation has a lower average simply because the depreciation of the navigation brought it down.
I would say the average depreciation is higher on a navi equipped model, but i would not go as far as saying having a navi hurts resale.
having a tranny with higher than normal failure rate hurts resale; having too much mileage on a car hurts resale; having heavy discounts from MSRP hurts resale...having a navigation just lowers the resale average of that particular model vs. that SAME model without navigation.
Given a car model A and B, A being equipped with navi...
MSRP A: $20k
Navi: A: $2,000
Total: $22,000
MSRP B: $20k
No Navi
Total: $20k
5 years later:
A: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Navi $2000 @ 70% depreciation = $600
Total: $10,600
$10.6k / $20k = 48% retained value
B: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Total: $10,000
$10k / $20k = $50% retained value.
Both cars depreciated the same (50%). But the car equipped with the navigation has a lower average simply because the depreciation of the navigation brought it down.
I would say the average depreciation is higher on a navi equipped model, but i would not go as far as saying having a navi hurts resale.
having a tranny with higher than normal failure rate hurts resale; having too much mileage on a car hurts resale; having heavy discounts from MSRP hurts resale...having a navigation just lowers the resale average of that particular model vs. that SAME model without navigation.
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I personally find the OEM nav system in my 06 6MT TSX to be extremely useful, particularly with the incorporated voice controls. I can change a CD, adjust A/C, and modify my navigation route all without having to take my hands off the steering wheel or the shifter. I definitely feel much safer driving when using this "gimmick."
In this sense, I think an OEM nav system with voice controls is infinitely more valuable to manual drivers than automatic drivers
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In this sense, I think an OEM nav system with voice controls is infinitely more valuable to manual drivers than automatic drivers
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
i think the title of the thread (or article ??) is a little misleading.
Given a car model A and B, A being equipped with navi...
MSRP A: $20k
Navi: A: $2,000
Total: $22,000
MSRP B: $20k
No Navi
Total: $20k
5 years later:
A: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Navi $2000 @ 70% depreciation = $600
Total: $10,600
$10.6k / $20k = 48% retained value
B: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Total: $10,000
$10k / $20k = $50% retained value.
Both cars depreciated the same (50%). But the car equipped with the navigation has a lower average simply because the depreciation of the navigation brought it down.
I would say the average depreciation is higher on a navi equipped model, but i would not go as far as saying having a navi hurts resale.
having a tranny with higher than normal failure rate hurts resale; having too much mileage on a car hurts resale; having heavy discounts from MSRP hurts resale...having a navigation just lowers the resale average of that particular model vs. that SAME model without navigation.
Given a car model A and B, A being equipped with navi...
MSRP A: $20k
Navi: A: $2,000
Total: $22,000
MSRP B: $20k
No Navi
Total: $20k
5 years later:
A: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Navi $2000 @ 70% depreciation = $600
Total: $10,600
$10.6k / $20k = 48% retained value
B: $20k at 50% depreciation = $10k
Total: $10,000
$10k / $20k = $50% retained value.
Both cars depreciated the same (50%). But the car equipped with the navigation has a lower average simply because the depreciation of the navigation brought it down.
I would say the average depreciation is higher on a navi equipped model, but i would not go as far as saying having a navi hurts resale.
having a tranny with higher than normal failure rate hurts resale; having too much mileage on a car hurts resale; having heavy discounts from MSRP hurts resale...having a navigation just lowers the resale average of that particular model vs. that SAME model without navigation.
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They should see if a car w/ navi sells QUICKER than a car w/o navi
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personally, I can care less if a car (supposedly) is worth less by a couple of % when it comes time to trade in or sell, you have to factor in the years of ease of driving directions, finding POI... etc etc...
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Originally Posted by is300eater
personally, I can care less if a car (supposedly) is worth less by a couple of % when it comes time to trade in or sell, you have to factor in the years of ease of driving directions, finding POI... etc etc...
Same with all other stuff that may "mathematically" bring down the average retained value...from cooled seats to upgraded stereo systems or whatever. Unlike a defective tranny, you get to enjoy/use/choose these options.
but of course the article wouldn't be news-worthy if it made that clarification.
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i would also prefer a car with a built-in navi than a portable unit. and resale value doesn't really affect me either because i plan on keeping my '05 tsx for a long time anyways.
there are times when i wished i had a portable unit, but for my car, i do prefer the built-in navi for all the reasons stated above. i definitely don't regret paying an extra $2k for the navi, and when i bought my car, i had every intention of keeping it for a very long time anyways.
and besides, the interior looks a lot better with the navi screen than without it. i've yet to meet a car owner that regretted buying a navigation system.
but i just with the upgrade dvds were cheaper...
there are times when i wished i had a portable unit, but for my car, i do prefer the built-in navi for all the reasons stated above. i definitely don't regret paying an extra $2k for the navi, and when i bought my car, i had every intention of keeping it for a very long time anyways.
and besides, the interior looks a lot better with the navi screen than without it. i've yet to meet a car owner that regretted buying a navigation system.
but i just with the upgrade dvds were cheaper...
#34
I shoot people
Thread Starter
^^^how much are the DVD's?
#35
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iTrader: (1)
imho, if i were in the market for a late model cpo vehicle and one had navi and the other one didn't i would pay $600 bucks more or whatever they're saying it will be worth/depreciates for the vehicle w/ navi.
#37
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by is300eater
personally, I can care less if a car (supposedly) is worth less by a couple of % when it comes time to trade in or sell, you have to factor in the years of ease of driving directions, finding POI... etc etc...
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But I still can't quite justify a navi when I live in a city of 250,000 and getting from one end of the city to the other takes 20 minutes or less on the expressway.
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#39
I shoot people
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by derrick
^ IS300eater ... all you need is a navi that has bluetooth and can link up to your phone. Have the computer learn your voice and can text message (like Naturally Speaking on the PC) ... that would be the PERFECT system for your car! LOL. ![Tomato](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/tomato.gif)
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and it actually works really good... AND I can also use it in Vancouver B.C. when I'm up there...
But I still can't quite justify a navi when I live in a city of 250,000 and getting from one end of the city to the other takes 20 minutes or less on the expressway.
If I lived in the Detroit area or a big city like Chicago, then I could definitely see the benefit in a navi that links to Bluetooth (like the Honda / Acura system).
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#40
'Big Daddy Diggler'
I loved the navi in my 99TL. With the newer cars getting all in one entertainment centers, the navi is a bonus. In a few years most luxuxry and entry level luxury cars will have hard drive for music, ipod interfaces, and other media centered abilities. So the navi will be a part of the whole package.