Tyler's Owdi B5 S4 Build & Update(s) Thread
10-31-2016, 09:44 AM
#721
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B5 expert? Does he see a therapist on the regular?
Awesome that you got all that stuff done. Looks like an expensive endeavor...
Awesome that you got all that stuff done. Looks like an expensive endeavor...
10-31-2016, 09:59 AM
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Funny thing, we have a few things in common and I'd say we're optimistic to say the least - not every person can own this car and it's certainly not meant to be a daily driver. Crazy though, he's been through 3 motors in 300,000 miles and has done build after build himself. I'm one lucky mofo to have him within an hour and a half drive but the key is getting the car up there and not getting stranded
10-31-2016, 10:19 AM
#724
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Say what you will but my B7 A4 2.0T with a Stage One Tune has been a very dependable car. I only had one big expense the whole time I have had it. Fan control module and the 2 front fans. 1000 bucks. Ouch. But other than that change the oil, put gas in it and buy tires. She still runs like a raped ape and now has 87k on her. The best part is she is payed for. Was going to get something new...I think I will keep her another year or so. Timing belt and water pump at 100k, she may go another 100k.
10-31-2016, 10:20 AM
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I was ambitious and wanted to do it myself, but after a few incidents we went through getting the PS Pulley off (seized on there) and a few other issues, I'm glad I took it to an expert and got it done correctly. It's the last thing I wanted to second guess especially when you're running more than 150whp over stock
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10-31-2016, 10:36 AM
#727
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When you have the correct tools and patience it sure makes the job a lot easier! I love the kiddie pool underneath the car for any fluids and the lift inside a garage is a dream of mine!
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10-31-2016, 11:12 AM
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Funny thing, we have a few things in common and I'd say we're optimistic to say the least - not every person can own this car and it's certainly not meant to be a daily driver. Crazy though, he's been through 3 motors in 300,000 miles and has done build after build himself. I'm one lucky mofo to have him within an hour and a half drive but the key is getting the car up there and not getting stranded
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10-31-2016, 11:33 AM
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Say what you will but my B7 A4 2.0T with a Stage One Tune has been a very dependable car. I only had one big expense the whole time I have had it. Fan control module and the 2 front fans. 1000 bucks. Ouch. But other than that change the oil, put gas in it and buy tires. She still runs like a raped ape and now has 87k on her. The best part is she is payed for. Was going to get something new...I think I will keep her another year or so. Timing belt and water pump at 100k, she may go another 100k.
I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
10-31-2016, 11:35 AM
#731
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I wouldn't doubt it, the 2.0T is a beast. My coworker has the same car (auto) - it's been pretty dependable and he's well over 100k. I believe your car has 1 x K03 Turbo and they're good for ~15 psi all day long, dependable turbos IMO (Mine are at 120k and there's a slight whine in the morning, but as soon as oil temp gets over ambient temperature it goes away).
I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
10-31-2016, 12:25 PM
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10-31-2016, 12:26 PM
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I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
10-31-2016, 12:44 PM
#735
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I wouldn't doubt it, the 2.0T is a beast. My coworker has the same car (auto) - it's been pretty dependable and he's well over 100k. I believe your car has 1 x K03 Turbo and they're good for ~15 psi all day long, dependable turbos IMO (Mine are at 120k and there's a slight whine in the morning, but as soon as oil temp gets over ambient temperature it goes away).
I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
I've learned a lot about the 2.7T and maintenance is essential. You can't skip services and use cheap parts. The B5 expert says the reason why the B5 S4 gets such a bad reputation because people think they know what's best for their cars, not the engineers or the manufacturer who invests millions of dollars to design it.
Never go cheap on parts OR fluids either. ALWAYS do the maintenance...
10-31-2016, 01:15 PM
#737
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I had the same thing with my old BMW, need to replace the control arm bushings every 50-60k miles to keep the awesome suspension tight. Have to replace the oil with 8qts of some unicorn blood every 7k to keep the engine happy. Have to replace the entire cooling system every 50k miles to keep the expansion tank from exploding. Great car and amazing to drive but dear god does it suck to own. I've thought about getting an E90 M3 for a while now but couldn't do it with the required maintenance. I'm happy I can live vicariously through Tyler though lol.
10-31-2016, 01:39 PM
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10-31-2016, 01:45 PM
#741
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10-31-2016, 01:59 PM
#743
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Not talking about the PITA for when something goes wrong but just a PITA for actually doing the work. Have to remove half the car to change out a belt? Sucks. Have to do it often to prevent engine from eating a itself? FML.
I had the same thing with my old BMW, need to replace the control arm bushings every 50-60k miles to keep the awesome suspension tight. Have to replace the oil with 8qts of some unicorn blood every 7k to keep the engine happy. Have to replace the entire cooling system every 50k miles to keep the expansion tank from exploding. Great car and amazing to drive but dear god does it suck to own. I've thought about getting an E90 M3 for a while now but couldn't do it with the required maintenance. I'm happy I can live vicariously through Tyler though lol.
I had the same thing with my old BMW, need to replace the control arm bushings every 50-60k miles to keep the awesome suspension tight. Have to replace the oil with 8qts of some unicorn blood every 7k to keep the engine happy. Have to replace the entire cooling system every 50k miles to keep the expansion tank from exploding. Great car and amazing to drive but dear god does it suck to own. I've thought about getting an E90 M3 for a while now but couldn't do it with the required maintenance. I'm happy I can live vicariously through Tyler though lol.
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10-31-2016, 02:09 PM
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The S2000, Civic Type R, Integra Type R, BRZ, FRS, Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, SS, and others all beg to differ. Yes, most of those companies also make appliances but so do most of the Germans. The most common lease spec 320i isn't anything special.
10-31-2016, 02:17 PM
#748
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I love German and euro cars...just wouldn't own one outside of warranty ever again.
10-31-2016, 02:24 PM
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10-31-2016, 02:45 PM
#752
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Hey I have had a bunch of different cars in my lifetime. My Audi is just different. Can't quite put my finger on it...but it's different..in a GOOD way. Also ...AWD is really what makes it special.
10-31-2016, 03:13 PM
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Not talking about the PITA for when something goes wrong but just a PITA for actually doing the work. Have to remove half the car to change out a belt? Sucks. Have to do it often to prevent engine from eating a itself? FML.
I had the same thing with my old BMW, need to replace the control arm bushings every 50-60k miles to keep the awesome suspension tight. Have to replace the oil with 8qts of some unicorn blood every 7k to keep the engine happy. Have to replace the entire cooling system every 50k miles to keep the expansion tank from exploding. Great car and amazing to drive but dear god does it suck to own. I've thought about getting an E90 M3 for a while now but couldn't do it with the required maintenance. I'm happy I can live vicariously through Tyler though lol.
I had the same thing with my old BMW, need to replace the control arm bushings every 50-60k miles to keep the awesome suspension tight. Have to replace the oil with 8qts of some unicorn blood every 7k to keep the engine happy. Have to replace the entire cooling system every 50k miles to keep the expansion tank from exploding. Great car and amazing to drive but dear god does it suck to own. I've thought about getting an E90 M3 for a while now but couldn't do it with the required maintenance. I'm happy I can live vicariously through Tyler though lol.
The labor rate is high because of these clearances, things need to come out. Example: A timing belt job can be as high as $1400 from a regular Audi shop. Parts are no different - Oh, you broke the plastic PVC spider hose during the tear down? That's another $250.
I'm starting to develop an overall understanding of why it requires frequent service intervals and 2 things come to mind:
High pressure:
A boosted car can get unhappy very quickly, especially a car with 2 turbos
. The smallest leak can cause all sorts of issues. Oh, you're overboosting? Wastegate issues, tons of 1 way valves, under a spaghetti plate of vacuum hoses / boost hoses. Car not boosting? Oh, car thinks it has a leak and can hurt itself .. so it limp modes. Turbos whining? Time to start saving for Stage 3. Sometimes, it takes very thorough data monitoring to get an idea of what exact component is failing. There are times a CEL won't even trigger, but the Vagcom will reveal everything.High heat:
This is undoubtedly the hottest car I've ever owned, literally. 2 turbos, tight clearances, 2 intercoolers, 2 water pumps, the AC condenser sits right in front of the radiator blocking airflow, just to name a few. I can come back from a night of driving and the car will make the garage warm for me the next morning, it's insane lol.
Couple these 2 items with a platform that's 15 years old, it's not rocket science on why these cars are so maintenance heavy ... rubber / plastic deteriorates with heat and that's that.
Just my 2 cents.
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10-31-2016, 03:20 PM
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I wish. Honestly, we had a packed day and if I brought the coilovers .. I'd be asking him to constantly adjust the lift up and down as he was working on it. Sounds easy with a lift, but the last thing I wanted to do was interrupt him. Best to let him do his thang.
I can do the coilovers on my own time, no biggie.
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10-31-2016, 03:26 PM
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I will say that the best ALL AROUND car I have ever driven, was the S5. Fast, fun, connected, handled, refined...
it fucking rocked. V is the fastest, TL was the best all around value and looks, and 87 Corolla was best JDMYo street cred.
We're car lovers...not brand lovers.
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10-31-2016, 03:27 PM
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I wish. Honestly, we had a packed day and if I brought the coilovers .. I'd be asking him to constantly adjust the lift up and down as he was working on it. Sounds easy with a lift, but the last thing I wanted to do was interrupt him. Best to let him do his thang.
I can do the coilovers on my own time, no biggie.
10-31-2016, 03:45 PM
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One project at a time braj, one project at a time. Seriously though, it was hard not to watch the guy work ... it was also awesome seeing the condition of each layer of the engine as it was being torn apart. 
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10-31-2016, 03:45 PM
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10-31-2016, 03:49 PM
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