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06-10-2011, 02:21 PM
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06-10-2011, 04:23 PM
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I just got back from test driving the silver IS-F. It was nice, but two things - 1) it's powerful, but it didn't really have as much "punch" as I expected. Don't know if it would give me more in "Sport Mode" (I forgot to hit that button 
); and 2) the interior is rather bland. I was surprised it just didn't catch my attention as much as my own TL. They offered to come down to $37,500 for it.
); and 2) the interior is rather bland. I was surprised it just didn't catch my attention as much as my own TL. They offered to come down to $37,500 for it.
06-10-2011, 04:55 PM
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06-10-2011, 05:08 PM
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SMG is fast, but can also seem pretty harsh for daily driving. This is from driving/riding in my friends E46 M3. The newer dual clutch units on the new M3 and future M5 are much smoother from what everyone is saying.
In regards to the 6-speed on that generation M5, I have heard people complaining about it a lot. Apparently BMW just lifted the 6-speed from the previous gen M5 and dropped into that generation, without changing the gearing for the new engine. I guess it hurts the performance #'s a bit...
In regards to the 6-speed on that generation M5, I have heard people complaining about it a lot. Apparently BMW just lifted the 6-speed from the previous gen M5 and dropped into that generation, without changing the gearing for the new engine. I guess it hurts the performance #'s a bit...
06-10-2011, 07:16 PM
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SMG is fast, but can also seem pretty harsh for daily driving. This is from driving/riding in my friends E46 M3. The newer dual clutch units on the new M3 and future M5 are much smoother from what everyone is saying.
In regards to the 6-speed on that generation M5, I have heard people complaining about it a lot. Apparently BMW just lifted the 6-speed from the previous gen M5 and dropped into that generation, without changing the gearing for the new engine. I guess it hurts the performance #'s a bit...
In regards to the 6-speed on that generation M5, I have heard people complaining about it a lot. Apparently BMW just lifted the 6-speed from the previous gen M5 and dropped into that generation, without changing the gearing for the new engine. I guess it hurts the performance #'s a bit...
06-10-2011, 10:12 PM
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Whachu talkin about GM quality? I lucked out and got a first year CTS-V with only minimal problems. 
. Almost 26k miles and still trucking with no problems, even modded. C'mon in, the American car waters are just fine.
The M5 is hot, I'd do it if I wanted a sports car with a back seat big enough for my son. I say do it.
. Almost 26k miles and still trucking with no problems, even modded. C'mon in, the American car waters are just fine.The M5 is hot, I'd do it if I wanted a sports car with a back seat big enough for my son. I say do it.
06-10-2011, 10:41 PM
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06-11-2011, 12:47 AM
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My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
06-11-2011, 07:52 AM
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BS BS
My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
06-13-2011, 07:11 AM
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I just got back from test driving the silver IS-F. It was nice, but two things - 1) it's powerful, but it didn't really have as much "punch" as I expected. Don't know if it would give me more in "Sport Mode" (I forgot to hit that button ); and 2) the interior is rather bland. I was surprised it just didn't catch my attention as much as my own TL. They offered to come down to $37,500 for it.
); and 2) the interior is rather bland. I was surprised it just didn't catch my attention as much as my own TL. They offered to come down to $37,500 for it.If you want it to be sports car fast you have to put it in "Sports Mode". Pretty much you really need to go back and drive it again cause in my opinion it is a completely different car in "Sport Mode" there really is no comparison. Also you need to make sure you fully push the gas pedal down. When you get in the car push it down while the car is off because there is actually a spring loaded button under the pedal with a stiff spring that you can actually feel click in when pushing in with the car off. This tells the car you actually want full WOT instead of just closed. Also use the paddle shifts if you want the 0.1 second shifts while going WOT.
I personally didn't fully like the interior 100% at first however since owning it for a while I have actually begun to really like the less is more feel I really get from the interior. Everything is really accessible from the drivers seat and there is nothing more than what is needed on the dash. No extra trim to add reflection or get scratched just gauges, vents, and navi/radio.
I would go into a little higher cost of ownership but since you are considering an M5 and the costs for maintenance on IS-F would be considerably less. However the IS-F although a little slower it will be a lot more reliable in my opinion. I have not seen any over 60k miles yet but no one on the Lexus boards has had anything other than standard maintenance. The only part that seems to be an issue is the water pump but that seems to be plaguing all IS models 250/350/F until 2010 when they changed to a new model pump.
I really do believe though that you need to go back an test drive the IS-F again cause driving it without in "Sports Mode" you just don't get the real feel of the car at all.
Hope this helps
06-13-2011, 10:44 AM
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BS BS
My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
My M5 was first west coast car, build in august 2005 and delivered to me in late september 2005. (bought from BMW of Salem- used to be De long)
SMG- i never had issue with mine.
So far after 22k miles and almost 6 years of owning it. It left me stranded exactly once due to steering angle sensor.
Maint. is not cheap. Around $1500. But it only requires maint stop every 10k miles or within a year. I just had another maint done at BMW Mountain View.
So far my out of pocket expense are as follows-
1 set of PS 2 at $2000
Maint once at $1500
$3500 so far for 22k miles
I spend more than $1500 when i had the 00 TL- which left me stranded once with the lousy automatic. Several brake jobs, and maint.
I am getting ready to dump the E60 for F10. I don't think its that bad owning a BMW out of warranty. So far my BMW have been more reliable and cheaper to own than my honda/acura.
. I'm sure the performance and handling is awesome but what good is trying to enjoy the car when you're constantly afraid somethings gonna break? Screw that, I'd just rock a CTS-V like NeuronBob or get that IS-F like the OP is considering and beat up on them knowing that the won't grenade like the M5 might.Those two are probably solid 200K mile cars if maintained correctly. The M5 is a "lease-only" vehicle.
06-13-2011, 02:29 PM
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Agreed.
06-14-2011, 06:35 AM
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I agree with this not only cause I have one but because I considered both. To be exact I also considered used M3 and 335i and decided since I wanted this car as a DD and expected to take it north of 100k miles. To achieve that a german car was not going to get it done. Especially a M5 for one without a huge expensive repair list by the time I get to 100k.
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Unfortunately not in that price range at all yet. When I was looking 9months ago they were high 40s for one with 30k miles or more still. You seem to be able to get one for mid 40s now with same miles. To get a certified one you are still looking in the 50s for one.
06-14-2011, 10:51 AM
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I agree with this not only cause I have one but because I considered both. To be exact I also considered used M3 and 335i and decided since I wanted this car as a DD and expected to take it north of 100k miles. To achieve that a german car was not going to get it done. Especially a M5 for one without a huge expensive repair list by the time I get to 100k.
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Still hope you go back and test drive the F with the Sport Mode on as I would like to hear your comparison from someone who doesn't drive the car on a regular basis.
06-14-2011, 02:06 PM
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Lol! You're not kidding.
The silver one I originally linked (and drove last Friday) was sold over the weekend, so I'm definitely not getting that one. I did look at a black one yesterday, but I'm starting to come back around to reality. I have a 30 mile commute each way to and from my office. I pack on the miles. A car like that probably isn't a good idea if I just can't keep it reliable (and the reviews are very mixed as far as that is concerned).
The silver one I originally linked (and drove last Friday) was sold over the weekend, so I'm definitely not getting that one. I did look at a black one yesterday, but I'm starting to come back around to reality. I have a 30 mile commute each way to and from my office. I pack on the miles. A car like that probably isn't a good idea if I just can't keep it reliable (and the reviews are very mixed as far as that is concerned).
06-14-2011, 02:08 PM
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06-14-2011, 02:56 PM
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Big plans not enough $$$
06-14-2011, 03:24 PM
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06-14-2011, 03:28 PM
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How about this one
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06-14-2011, 03:45 PM
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06-14-2011, 04:04 PM
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Cool, here are these, I dont know what color you wanted but there are 4 here.
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