Toyota: Americans too stupid for factory work
07-13-2005, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by runnerX
couldn't agree more with the article. Union ppl are killing themselves and the company. GM, Ford, and DC could make better cars if it wasn't their union. How can one expect quality work or quality design from those lazy union workers? these people automatically get raise annually without working hard to earn it. I just feel sorry for those companies. Unions are draging US economy down cuz their products are not competitive at all.
Nowhere else in America can an industry suffer losses and still afford to give their employees raises on a consistent basis.
07-13-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jdone
Just so you know, your Acura CL was assembled in Marysville, Ohio. 
I am in the process of buying a 1992 acura legend w/182,000 miles on it that is far superior in fit an finish at 13 years old
07-13-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by charlesgage
Thanks, that's actually good to know. But my main point was that this is the squeakiest, most poorly constuctructed honda/acura i have ever had. It is also the only american made honda / acura i have ever had. Coincidence? Very possibly, but maybe not.
07-13-2005, 04:20 PM
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Parents have a 2004 max, it has been in the shop 5 times for rattles / noises. They got it mostly fixed after replacing:
Entire powersteering system
Glove Box
Most of the Center Console
Some pulleys and belts
Still one HELL of a car though
Entire powersteering system
Glove Box
Most of the Center Console
Some pulleys and belts
Still one HELL of a car though
07-13-2005, 09:32 PM
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Kid tax! 1st 2 children free. 3 and more get charged. We'll keep a national registry of kids at schools so that we can keep track. Home schooling like the Quakers will the the only way you can escape this one.
07-14-2005, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Well, when you're too dumb to do anything useful, you tend to stay at home and fuck 
The bell curve is fattening on the wrong side. 
07-14-2005, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
This article is borderline moronic itself, kind of ironic. The Japanese Auto mfgs. wouldn't be anywhere today if they didn't basically copy American manufacturers in the years after WW2. It took the ideas and concepts of an American named Deming to help them build up their automotive and technology industires. Oh and I blame unions and corporate beuracracy for the average products that Detroit has been putting out for years.
funny how the tables have turned and now the american car makers are copying the japanese
07-14-2005, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
yeah that first link is totally not something what a Toyota spokesman would have said... it is BASED on a real story but the words have been made up.... the 2nd link is the actual story.
sorry but no Toyota spokesman is gonna say:
lol...
sorry but no Toyota spokesman is gonna say:
lol...
Was it the president of Japan that (during Bush Sr's admin) called American workers "fat and lazy"? I think we've come a long way since then...but we're no where near the discipline of Japan. We're the country with the most freedom...which means we're free to be lazy.
07-14-2005, 12:26 PM
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Union today is the biggest drag in the economy and main reason manufacturing jobs are oursourced:
They treat everyone with the same wages and do not reward higher productivity
They protect underperforming individuals who cheat on timesheet, medical leave, and excuses for poor performance
They go against productivity improvement that could cost them their job, regardless of any improvment in quality
Their wages and raises are automatic, regardless of whether you are responsible or irresponsible, whether you improve your skill or not
They have no disipline whatsoever. Got a problem with your manager? File a complain to the union, not your boss.
And worst of all, they are paid higher than engineer by default, which do not encourage them to work hard at all.
They treat everyone with the same wages and do not reward higher productivity
They protect underperforming individuals who cheat on timesheet, medical leave, and excuses for poor performance
They go against productivity improvement that could cost them their job, regardless of any improvment in quality
Their wages and raises are automatic, regardless of whether you are responsible or irresponsible, whether you improve your skill or not
They have no disipline whatsoever. Got a problem with your manager? File a complain to the union, not your boss.
And worst of all, they are paid higher than engineer by default, which do not encourage them to work hard at all.
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07-14-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by charlesgage
Parents have a 2004 max, it has been in the shop 5 times for rattles / noises. They got it mostly fixed after replacing:
Entire powersteering system
Glove Box
Most of the Center Console
Some pulleys and belts
Still one HELL of a car though
Entire powersteering system
Glove Box
Most of the Center Console
Some pulleys and belts
Still one HELL of a car though
07-14-2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
^^^ Reasons why I prefer my rattle-LESS/squeak-LESS, Made in Japan 02 Maxima over the current Maxima/Altima. Outside of a bad MAF sensor, the car's been SOLID for the 3 1/2 years that I've had it.
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