Television: Top Gear (UK) News and Discussion Thread
10-03-2005, 02:39 PM
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1st Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9
2nd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0
3rd Ariel Atom - 1.19.5
4th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8
5th Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ford GT - 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Murcielago - 1.23.7
Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble - 1.25.0
Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG - 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR 350C - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
Dodge Viper SRT-10 - 1.28.5
MG SV - 1.28.6
Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1.28.9 (very wet)
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 - 1.29
Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 1.30.16
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3
I don't see a "W" besides anything but the 911 Car S which says very wet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/
2nd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0
3rd Ariel Atom - 1.19.5
4th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8
5th Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ford GT - 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Murcielago - 1.23.7
Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble - 1.25.0
Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG - 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR 350C - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
Dodge Viper SRT-10 - 1.28.5
MG SV - 1.28.6
Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1.28.9 (very wet)
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 - 1.29
Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 1.30.16
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3
I don't see a "W" besides anything but the 911 Car S which says very wet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/
10-03-2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
I don't see a "W" besides anything but the 911 Car S which says very wet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/
I never said anything about the online times, just on the show
10-03-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Minch00
I never said anything about the online times, just on the show
Since they thought to note very wet beside the Porsche's time you would think they would have at least put wet beside those that were run on a wet track.
We know for certain the top few were run in the dry, the Maserati, Enzo, GT3, 360 CS and Ariel were for certain. (watched the vids)
10-03-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Since they thought to note very wet besides the Porche's time you would think they would have at least put wet besides those that were run on a wet track.
We know for certain the top few were run in the dry, the Maserati, Enzo, GT3, 360 CS and Ariel were for certain. (watched the vids)
We know for certain the top few were run in the dry, the Maserati, Enzo, GT3, 360 CS and Ariel were for certain. (watched the vids)
Yeah, it's weird. I've been on a Top Gear binge recently, I watch at least two episodes a night after I get home from work to help me relax. I've had so many people at work because I use rediculous quotes from the show. "Crikey, it does look good" when a hot girl walks through the door, for instance. I've even started using the words "saloon" and "estate" in entirely new ways
10-03-2005, 03:14 PM
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so much hate. tell me a car show that's better. Motor Trend TV??? Motorweek???? 
those shows are light years behind Top Gear.
those shows are light years behind Top Gear.
10-03-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
so much hate. tell me a car show that's better. Motor Trend TV??? Motorweek????
those shows are light years behind Top Gear.
those shows are light years behind Top Gear.
Its the best car show around....but just point out some obvious flaws...You forgot Car and Driver TV
10-03-2005, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
the top gear course isn't really a tight track
That said, I think it's a pretty fair track, sure some will have an advantage, but it's got a little bit of a lot
That said, I think it's a pretty fair track, sure some will have an advantage, but it's got a little bit of a lot
it goes in a figure 8, from start to chicago, to hammerhead to follow through to bacharach then gambon/finish
10-03-2005, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
Dude, it's England. It rains a LOT.
So why not simply have a wet and dry comparison tower? they have supercar times up there tested when the track was wet.
The point is comparing things on a fair ground, not that it rains in England.
The track times from them are useless as you have no idea which was run wet to dry after the fact... then your looking at their track time numbers comparing cars... those numbers are useless without reference to conditions. Heavy rain could easily mean 5+ seconds of extra time.
10-03-2005, 04:32 PM
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I find comfort in their track times. As mentioned it's quite obvious when a car was run in the wet. But they use the same test driver and he is DAMN good and YES I do feel that conclusions can be made from his lap times, obviously when the track conditions are the same. i.e. when he ran a smidgen faster than the Enzo in the MC12, yes I believe the MC12 is faster and it SHOULD be faster in purely theoretical terms... the show must go on... rain or shine.
ps. the DBR9 is a full-blown race car built for and raced at Le Mans. It was a privilege for them to be able to test it on their show. The DBRS9 is a street car, and their times would not have been comparable, in any sense really.
ps. and this is not in Car Talk because....
ps. the DBR9 is a full-blown race car built for and raced at Le Mans. It was a privilege for them to be able to test it on their show. The DBRS9 is a street car, and their times would not have been comparable, in any sense really.
ps. and this is not in Car Talk because....
10-03-2005, 04:47 PM
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I'm actually tempted to get an Ariel Atom in the next few years.. who cares if its not street legal
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
10-03-2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I'm actually tempted to get an Ariel Atom in the next few years.. who cares if its not street legal
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
That think just looks like so much fun. 0-100-0 in under 11 seconds
And I'm 99.9% sure it's powered by a Honda motor.
10-03-2005, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
That think just looks like so much fun. 0-100-0 in under 11 seconds
Its amazing.
10-03-2005, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I'm actually tempted to get an Ariel Atom in the next few years.. who cares if its not street legal
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
I'd never drive it on the street even if it were
10-03-2005, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
That think just looks like so much fun. 0-100-0 in under 11 seconds
And I'm 99.9% sure it's powered by a Honda motor.
And I'm 99.9% sure it's powered by a Honda motor.
10-03-2005, 04:56 PM
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Yes, its a Civic Type R motor with a SC.
10-03-2005, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RSA_Secure
If I am not mistaken, it's powered by a supercharged version of Civic Type-R engine.
Hmm... yet it makes 220 horsepower according to their website. Which motor do they use in the Civic Type-R? Is it a K20?
10-03-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Hmm... yet it makes 220 horsepower according to their website. Which motor do they use in the Civic Type-R? Is it a K20?
K20A something
10-03-2005, 05:00 PM
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In the review they said 300 bhp
10-03-2005, 05:01 PM
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Nevermind I figured it out. They have different motors.
The supercharged K20 makes 300 horsepower which is about right. Basically the RSX-S motor with the jackson racing supercharger:
The supercharged K20 makes 300 horsepower which is about right. Basically the RSX-S motor with the jackson racing supercharger:
10-03-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Because a supercharged K20A2 makes a hell of a lot more horsepower than 220. 
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keat...atom-2-car.asp
As seen in the pic above, it's a lightweight roadster powered by a supercharged Honda Civic Type R engine. Thats 300 bhp pushing just over 500kg around. This is about as close to a street-legal F1 car as you can get. 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. I read a webpage where someone commented, "I about fell off my chair laughing when he said that" on the video. I'm with him! Unbelievable accerlaration Although I was drinking coffee at the time and nearly expelled it at hearing this car's stats. Further, during one part of the video the guy's face ripples and distorts from the G-forces (and wind) which make the astronauts' testing centrifuge look like a walk in the park!
10-03-2005, 05:03 PM
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600 bhp per ton
10-03-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
What will one of those set you back?
In other words, its a bargain.. my girlfriend is sold, we're going to get one in a few years.
10-03-2005, 05:07 PM
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10-03-2005, 05:09 PM
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0 to 100 mph in 6.86 seconds
0 to 100 back to 0 in 10.88
0 to 100 back to 0 in 10.88
10-03-2005, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
$33,000 US dollars
In other words, its a bargain.. my girlfriend is sold, we're going to get one in a few years.
In other words, its a bargain.. my girlfriend is sold, we're going to get one in a few years.
Yeah but is that for the supercharged 300 horsepower version?
10-03-2005, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yeah but is that for the supercharged 300 horsepower version?
10-03-2005, 05:12 PM
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Jesus.. their US sales office is in Ashland OR
Roadtrip!
Roadtrip!
10-03-2005, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RSA_Secure
Atom folks deem 2.0 HONDA i-VTEC as "best 4 cylinder production engine in the world" 
And I whole heartedly believe it. It's amazing what those RSX guys are doing.
10-03-2005, 05:16 PM
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10-03-2005, 05:16 PM
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And I whole heartedly believe it. It's amazing what those RSX guys are doing.
10-03-2005, 05:18 PM
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The scary thing about the Atom is that the "company" is staffed up with a whole 7 guys in a garage in England. That's it. They build them one-at-at-time in a garage.
Imagine had they used the K20 with a K-Pro in addition to the blower.
Imagine had they used the K20 with a K-Pro in addition to the blower.