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First big road trip in Baby Shark. I was damn impressed with what it was saying on the trip computer, but they're known to read higher than actual MPG. This was when we arrived in town after an all highway drive. It went down when we got in stop and go traffic. After all was said and done, it averaged 31.06 MPG for the entire trip.
My only gripe on the trip was the seat comfort. The seats are narrow with very thin padding, which makes for sore buttocks and hips after multiple hours in the drivers seat. That's a big problem for me. I don't really know what options I have, but I don't think I can deal with the discomfort for very long. I may look into the touring seats, but I don't know if they're a direct replacement.
You really just can't go wrong with these cars. I'm dropping my 7G Accord off for service for a couple days and I hope to get another Accord X as a loaner. That's mad good mpg for the power!!
You really just can't go wrong with these cars. I'm dropping my 7G Accord off for service for a couple days and I hope to get another Accord X as a loaner. That's mad good mpg for the power!!
Yeah for the performance, it's hard to beat. I just wish it was more comfortable for me. If I can't find a solution I may be looking for a different car much sooner than I was hoping.
I would think the Touring seats should bolt right in.
It'd be more if they have different electronics (more adjustment, heat/cool, memory) that may be the trouble.
I would think the Touring seats should bolt right in.
It'd be more if they have different electronics (more adjustment, heat/cool, memory) that may be the trouble.
That's my fear. The Touring seats have both cooling and memory, which the Sport doesn't, so the electrical connections might be different.
Unlikely, but would be pretty cool if you could get the memory & swamp coolers to work on a Sport.
Probably not as simple as a connector swap & some extra wires to run.
Unlikely, but would be pretty cool if you could get the memory & swamp coolers to work on a Sport.
Probably not as simple as a connector swap & some extra wires to run.
That would be nice, but yeah, I'm imagining it'd be a lot more work than is worth it, if it's even possible to do.
I didn't realize the seats were that big of an issue. I also noticed they were very flat and narrow when I had X Accord as loaners you could maybe figure out the pin out and get the electoral connection to work for the touring seats. I'd be worried about the airbag most of all
That would be nice, but yeah, I'm imagining it'd be a lot more work than is worth it, if it's even possible to do.
It's probably fine, more of a coding issue than anything else. Guessing the wiring harness is the same for all trim levels of the Accord so it would be a plug and play. Most modern series production cars use the same wiring harness for all cars. If a feature isn't present on that specific car, the computer either ignores those pins, the connector is tucked away, or the receiving end is just blank with no connection. It's way cheaper to do it this way than to have different harness SKU's for different trims. Features that your car doesn't have now would just be inop until you did the required supporting mods to accommodate them.
Also, RE: Airbag.
The SRS should be a separate connector & I would imagine it's the same from LX>Touring, as the guts of the seats are likely predominantly 1:1
Knowing Honda, it's likely really simple to add the cooled seats. The blower and ducting are all built into the seat. You just need the switch and power.
The floor harness for the Touring is part number 32107-TVC-AC0. The Sport uses 32107-TVC-AB0, so it's possible the additional wiring isn't there. But if you wanted cooled seats bad enough, I wouldn't be surprised if you could just tap into power, grab the cooled seat switches, and be done with it. I doubt any coding is required.
Thanks for all of the suggestions guys. This is a long rant/explanation, so buckle in.
After digging into the forums more, there's nothing I found to suggest the Touring seats have any additional padding, so that's not looking like a worthwhile swap after all. They appear to be the same exact seats just covered in leather vs. the vinyl/cloth combo in the Sport and with the addition of the ventilated/memory option.
After what seems like a hundred fine adjustments, I've finally found an acceptable position with the seat. It's better, I'd even go as far as saying it's good, but still not great. I've come to the conclusion there are multiple issues going on creating the perfect storm of uncomfortableness for me:
1. The legroom isn't as good as I was led to believe from all the reviews on the car, saying it's the roomiest of all the mid-sized sedans out there. It is for the backseat riders because there's a gargantuan amount of rear legroom, but it seems it was made at the sacrifice of front seat legroom. Being 6' 3" doesn't help obviously. I looked into seat rail extenders and found some for 7th, 8th and 9th gen Accords, but not 10th gen.
I emailed the company asking if they had any plans of making them for the 10th gen but never heard back. I came across someone else on a forum that had done the same years ago and the company told them they weren't planning on making any. So it seems my only option would be to take it to a custom fabricator. The shop that painted the hood on the Charger does custom work, so I may stop by at some point and see if that's a project they'd be willing to take on and what the cost would be.
2. I read that Honda engineers for some bizarre reason decided to move the front seats closer to the center console in the 10th gens in an attempt to create the illusion of more room around the driver and passenger,. That resulted in less hip room and narrower seats which might account for the hip pain I experienced on our road trip. The seats are no doubt narrower than the Charger's were, but that was a bigger car though.
3. The fabric used on the center portion of the Sport seats absolutely sucks. Looks-wise it's fine, but it grips my crotch in a weird way (TWSS) making me feel like I have a wedgie and gives me major swamp. Before I bought my Accord I test drove an identical one locally but it had a red Katzkin leather interior installed in it. At the time I never felt it was uncomfortable at all. It got me thinking, maybe getting a Katzkin interior installed (maybe not the red though) would help in the comfort department - less grip, more breathability and a more taught seating surface - so that's another option I'm considering.
I know, I know -- How could I test drive a car, buy it, then drive it 400 miles home and not realize it wasn't comfortable for me? The short of it is I thought the discomfort was just me needing to adjust to a new car. Pretty dumb, but it's the truth. I drove the one with the red interior for an entire day and comfort was never an issue. Why would I think a different material would make that much of a difference in comfort? I didn't, but I'm starting to think that now.
Regardless, despite the frustrations, at the end of the day I can't imagine getting rid of the Accord for something else. I love absolutely everything about it other than the seat comfort. There's really no other car I see as a direct replacement that I'd be happy with. The Kia Stinger gets me thinking hmmmm, but I've read it has terrible rear seat legroom and I would be going back to bad MPGs like the Charger. And with the way used car prices are, they're still commanding a premium. The Hyundai Elantra N intrigues me too, but there's a huge mark up on most of them right now, as well as a recall where they can't sell any new ones until they're fixed, which is crazy. I'm also not in love with the styling, but maybe I could get used to it. I don't know.
So, for the time being, my quest for 10th gen driver comfort continues.
Have an upholstery shop add some better foam under the padding! Also you can see if the seat rails can have new holes drilled in them to move them back further.
Why red? Were you planning to just do one window? That would have looked weird.
Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
You have better brakes. The Accord brakes are good, but not as good as Brembos.
Even the Caddy with 20 pistons worth of brembo did not stop as abruptly as the TL. Them brakes don't play!
Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
It's definitely not a hunting for gears issue. It's fine in that respect. The 2.0T Sport I test drove before this one felt similar, so that's why I'm leaning more toward it's a normal thing and I just got used to the 5 speed auto in the Charger, which proved to be a really good, smooth transmission. Probably because it was actually a Mercedes-Benz transmission lol.
Heyyyyy...I THINK that's the trans in my E320 also...robust and simple trans and if you don't overfill it by a liter and then drive it hard for 100 miles and blow out the front seal they are known to last
a very long time! With that said...I got to know the trans and car very well after this experience.
Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Yeah for the performance, it's hard to beat. I just wish it was more comfortable for me. If I can't find a solution I may be looking for a different car much sooner than I was hoping.
have you considered losing weight, you fat fuck?!!
Just fuckin with you bud...I know that feeling...take it a from a guy that has a lot of cars...we always find things wrong and then FOCUS on it like crazy.
Stupid question but how's your mattress? Have you recently injured yourself? Just like wheel vibrations...once you start looking for an issue and then think about it bothering you
incessantly...it doesn't go away easily.
Get a nice recaro for the driver seat!
Congrats, man...a buddy mine @veggiemonster is a die hard 2.0t 10 speed record holder...he totaled his last and just got another one (the blue this time).
He might be able to give you some good modding advice on it.
I was thinking, and this is probably a reach, but maybe there is custom fit padded seat covers?
Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN
Reminds me of endless RPM seat covers. They look great!
Originally Posted by csmeance
Have an upholstery shop add some better foam under the padding! Also you can see if the seat rails can have new holes drilled in them to move them back further.
Originally Posted by 1killercls
Maybe a set of these?
Those look comfy but I'd definitely be fearful of how much more swampy I'd be with all that fur under my gooch.
All you guys seem to be on the same page with recovering the seats. The RPM seat covers are a cheaper option, but I'm not sure I'd want just a cover vs replacing the stock covers, but it might be worth looking into as cheaper way of finding out if it would make as big a difference as I'm thinking. Thanks for the suggestions!
Originally Posted by rockstar143
Why red? Were you planning to just do one window? That would have looked weird.
I like weird.
Originally Posted by rockstar143
Even the Caddy with 20 pistons worth of brembo did not stop as abruptly as the TL. Them brakes don't play!
A BBK is on my radar if I do increase powwa.
Originally Posted by rockstar143
Heyyyyy...I THINK that's the trans in my E320 also...robust and simple trans and if you don't overfill it by a liter and then drive it hard for 100 miles and blow out the front seal they are known to last
a very long time! With that said...I got to know the trans and car very well after this experience.
Yep, the NAG1, the same trans as the E series. I had an electronic shift kit and it made a huge difference. Dare I say the trans was actually a bit of fun with firmer shifts? They are very reliable, but yeah, they don't like overfilling at all. I had mine just a tiny bit overfilled and could feel it slipping a bit, so I extracted fluid, remeasured, and after that it was flawless. I believe the E series also shares the same suspension with the Charger if I'm not mistaken, so if it's not creaking and thumping over bumps and turns yet, be prepared because it will at some point.
Originally Posted by rockstar143
have you considered losing weight, you fat fuck?!!
Just fuckin with you bud...I know that feeling...take it a from a guy that has a lot of cars...we always find things wrong and then FOCUS on it like crazy.
Stupid question but how's your mattress? Have you recently injured yourself? Just like wheel vibrations...once you start looking for an issue and then think about it bothering you
incessantly...it doesn't go away easily.
Get a nice recaro for the driver seat!
Congrats, man...a buddy mine @veggiemonster is a die hard 2.0t 10 speed record holder...he totaled his last and just got another one (the blue this time).
He might be able to give you some good modding advice on it.
I've actually lost 20 lbs over the last 6 months, so I know it's not that lol. It's my length that's my issue, not my girth, IYKWIM. But you're 100% correct with obsessing over with it. I've done the same with all my cars. The 7th Gen Accord always felt like there was a slight vibration, the MS6 had a clicking noise when accelerating and the turbo smoked whenever I was on a slight incline that drove me insane, the Charger creaked and moaned in the front suspension. So yeah, it's probably 90% in my head and 10% manageable if I just stop obsessing over it.
I was in fact introduced to @veggiemonster in the Official Honda Accord thread when I mentioned I was interested in a 10th gen Accord. I follow him on YouTube, too. I've done a lot of research on mods already, so at some point I'll definitely be getting a K-Tuner and Phearable Stage 3 tune at the very least. I won't be going nearly as far down the rabbit hole as he has though (famous last words before it's full bolt on with FK8 turbo).
Never read any complaints on Katskins when I was active on the F150 forum.
Hopefully a re-cover will alleviate your issues.
Maybe have some extra padding put in while the covers are off, if you can really identify where some extra bolstering/lumbar may be needed.
Good shit, man...
Sean is a good dude...
that car is fun...in some ways I kinda wish I had snagged one with a manual while they were available.
Get to have a fun FI car and it's a Honda...shit yeah.
About losing weight, good stuff, man...I need to too...I'm about 20 over also.
Just enjoy the car...or put a little memory foam pillow in that bitch and reposition shit and then tell yourself you're good.
I E320 has factory air rear on the wagon...and the front is typical bilstein German feeling...I would be shocked strutted if I had any clunking issues on that thing.
I'm still trying to adjust to the feel of the 10spd auto. The transmission has a tendency to be a little jerky at times, especially when letting off the gas pedal. I noticed a similar feeling the one time I drove a Challenger Scat Pack with the ZF 8spd auto, so maybe it's normal for modern 8, 9 and 10 speed autos to behave like that, I don't know. The fluid service is supposed to be every 30,000 miles so I still have 10,000 to go, but I may be having that done early if it helps.
Hey - cool to see you pulled the trigger.
For the trans issues, I would recommend a dealer stop to ask for a TCU reflash/wipe or any updates available. As a learning trans and a previous owner, the harshness is probably from different driving styles.
And btw, that's cool to see you follow on YouTube, appreciate it.
Never read any complaints on Katskins when I was active on the F150 forum.
Hopefully a re-cover will alleviate your issues.
Maybe have some extra padding put in while the covers are off, if you can really identify where some extra bolstering/lumbar may be needed.
Or, barring all that. Full Recaro swap
Ha ha Recaros would be nice. There is a guy who swapped in the red CTR front seats but no more heated function and he had to have a dealership reset the airbag sensor. Those seats are incredibly expensive so won't be happening with mine, but it's a cool idea. I will definitely ask about additional padding if I go the Katzkin route.
Originally Posted by rockstar143
Good shit, man...
Sean is a good dude...
that car is fun...in some ways I kinda wish I had snagged one with a manual while they were available.
Get to have a fun FI car and it's a Honda...shit yeah.
About losing weight, good stuff, man...I need to too...I'm about 20 over also.
Just enjoy the car...or put a little memory foam pillow in that bitch and reposition shit and then tell yourself you're good.
I E320 has factory air rear on the wagon...and the front is typical bilstein German feeling...I would be shocked strutted if I had any clunking issues on that thing.
Ah ok it has bags. That's an entirely different suspension then. I know it's on some E series though.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I've never once heard anyone complain that the 10G Accord didn't have enough room lol.
You haven't looked hard enough lol. I'm not the only one, there's others on the Accord forums, but generally it's only for larger than average humans. I'm around the size of an NFL linebacker, so that doesn't help.
Originally Posted by veggiemonster
Hey - cool to see you pulled the trigger.
For the trans issues, I would recommend a dealer stop to ask for a TCU reflash/wipe or any updates available. As a learning trans and a previous owner, the harshness is probably from different driving styles.
And btw, that's cool to see you follow on YouTube, appreciate it.
See you soon with a CTR turbo 😉
CTR turbo would be nice. So would Flex-Fuel. So many possible mods. I've actually gotten adjusted to the trans. It's not bad at all really, I just wasn't used to the gearing/feeling but I've gotten used to it.
Sportster CS' can be had with heating elements... just saying
Originally Posted by veggiemonster
Hey - cool to see you pulled the trigger.
For the trans issues, I would recommend a dealer stop to ask for a TCU reflash/wipe or any updates available. As a learning trans and a previous owner, the harshness is probably from different driving styles.
And btw, that's cool to see you follow on YouTube, appreciate it.
i drove my buddies 10G 2.0 sport too until I had a blow out on the freeway from the tire separating.
I was really impressed…
Sup Kev! It's a great car, minus the seats. I'm still trying to figure out a solution for them being so damn uncomfortable for me. But other than that I love it.
The Accord is sold. The shortest amount of time I've owned a car. It just wasn't meant to be. Hopefully I'll have an update on a new car in a few days.
Hope you got a decent turnaround on it.
Looking forward to seeing its replacement
I got exactly $1 more than I paid for it But that's not including the taxes/doc fees, so that part I did take a hit on, but hopefully it'll be worth it when I get the replacement.
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Congrats!/?
Curious to see what the replacement is.
Should be picking it up tomorrow, so I'll update as soon as I get it.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Holy shit, why the quick change?
See below
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Seat too small. Ass too big.
Yes, the seats were a gigantic PITA, no pun intended. There were other issues that I discovered along the way, too. They all kind of added up to not being happy. One thing I learned is I will never fly in to buy a car ever again. Only buying local.
04-26-2022, 09:14 AM
Those look comfy but I'd definitely be fearful of how much more swampy I'd be with all that fur under my gooch.
I've actually lost 20 lbs over the last 6 months, so I know it's not that lol. It's my length that's my issue, not my girth, IYKWIM. 
But you're 100% correct with obsessing over with it. I've done the same with all my cars. The 7th Gen Accord always felt like there was a slight vibration, the MS6 had a clicking noise when accelerating and the turbo smoked whenever I was on a slight incline that drove me insane, the Charger creaked and moaned in the front suspension. So yeah, it's probably 90% in my head and 10% manageable if I just stop obsessing over it.
CTR turbo would be nice. So would Flex-Fuel. So many possible mods. I've actually gotten adjusted to the trans. It's not bad at all really, I just wasn't used to the gearing/feeling but I've gotten used to it.
The shortest amount of time I've owned a car. It just wasn't meant to be. Hopefully I'll have an update on a new car in a few days. 
