Stick drivers? Do you row all the gears?
08-18-2005, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
I guess there’s a lever that comes out and “blocks” 2nd gear and your downward pull eases it into 4th instead.
I took a 6-Speed C6 Vette out for extended test drive and it didn’t happen once.
But I didn’t do any NANNY SHIFTING at 2,000 RPM either.
I took a 6-Speed C6 Vette out for extended test drive and it didn’t happen once.
But I didn’t do any NANNY SHIFTING at 2,000 RPM either.
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08-18-2005, 01:28 PM
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What needs to be asked is if the engine speed needs to adjust significantly when the shift is completed. If you are rowing along and make a casual shift up two gears and the revs are basically where they will end up being, what wear is there. The synchros are hardly being used.
Now if you take it to redline in 2nd and go straight to 6th in a power shift, it may be somewhat detrimental.
It is really about how extreme the change is and what RPM you end at. But the act is done so infrequently that I doubt any noticeable effect would be seen. I have always done this especially when having a higher torque vehicle. When I had the CL-S6SCIC and now the S4, the midrange torque was enough that I would often go from 2nd to 4th once out in front of traffic. The shift would be casual and complete so there was no serious wear on the transmission components.
Heck, if it were a problem I seriously doubt GM would employ the skip shift functionality.
Now if you take it to redline in 2nd and go straight to 6th in a power shift, it may be somewhat detrimental.
It is really about how extreme the change is and what RPM you end at. But the act is done so infrequently that I doubt any noticeable effect would be seen. I have always done this especially when having a higher torque vehicle. When I had the CL-S6SCIC and now the S4, the midrange torque was enough that I would often go from 2nd to 4th once out in front of traffic. The shift would be casual and complete so there was no serious wear on the transmission components.
Heck, if it were a problem I seriously doubt GM would employ the skip shift functionality.
08-18-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
What needs to be asked is if the engine speed needs to adjust significantly when the shift is completed. If you are rowing along and make a casual shift up two gears and the revs are basically where they will end up being, what wear is there. The synchros are hardly being used.
Now if you take it to redline in 2nd and go straight to 6th in a power shift, it may be somewhat detrimental.
It is really about how extreme the change is and what RPM you end at. But the act is done so infrequently that I doubt any noticeable effect would be seen. I have always done this especially when having a higher torque vehicle. When I had the CL-S6SCIC and now the S4, the midrange torque was enough that I would often go from 2nd to 4th once out in front of traffic. The shift would be casual and complete so there was no serious wear on the transmission components.
Heck, if it were a problem I seriously doubt GM would employ the skip shift functionality.
Now if you take it to redline in 2nd and go straight to 6th in a power shift, it may be somewhat detrimental.
It is really about how extreme the change is and what RPM you end at. But the act is done so infrequently that I doubt any noticeable effect would be seen. I have always done this especially when having a higher torque vehicle. When I had the CL-S6SCIC and now the S4, the midrange torque was enough that I would often go from 2nd to 4th once out in front of traffic. The shift would be casual and complete so there was no serious wear on the transmission components.
Heck, if it were a problem I seriously doubt GM would employ the skip shift functionality.
08-18-2005, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
It MAKES you skip gears?! What if you're trying to race? That just gives me another reason not to buy from them. The last thing I need is more nannies! 
under full throttle it'll let you shift through, it goes from 1st to 4th I believe under normal acceleration. There is an aftermarket delete that many people do
08-18-2005, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
wow that's the est thing ever
est thing evernot really, it really saves on gas, cause the car has enough power to accelerate good in 4th. It's 4th gear is your TL's first
08-18-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
not really, it really saves on gas, cause the car has enough power to accelerate good in 4th. It's 4th gear is your TL's first
08-18-2005, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Of course it saves on gas. But I question WHY they have to force you? If I'm driving that car, should I not have the sense to upshift myself if I'm trying to save gas?
08-18-2005, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
By forcing it they were able to meet the requirements for fuel economy.
08-18-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Wow, that's sure a cheap way out if you ask me. Instead of improving engine technology (reducing pumping losses, vvt, etc), they do this...
08-18-2005, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Of course it saves on gas. But I question WHY they have to force you? If I'm driving that car, should I not have the sense to upshift myself if I'm trying to save gas?
I heard it’s real easy to do. Unplug one cable and then insert the adapter and plug it back together.
No warranty issues either because you can simply unplug it if you go in for warranty work.
If you’re handy with a soldering gun the resistor only costs like 20-cents at Radio Shack.
And plans are available for free for all models on the Vette Forums.
08-18-2005, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Wow, that's sure a cheap way out if you ask me. Instead of improving engine technology (reducing pumping losses, vvt, etc), they do this...
08-18-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
If you spend 50,000 for a Vette, most people don’t have issue with spending another 20 bucks for the fix.
I heard it’s real easy to do. Unplug one cable and then insert the adapter and plug it back together.
No warranty issues either because you can simply unplug it if you go in for warranty work.
If you’re handy with a soldering gun the resistor only costs like 20-cents at Radio Shack.
And plans are available for free for all models on the Vette Forums.
I heard it’s real easy to do. Unplug one cable and then insert the adapter and plug it back together.
No warranty issues either because you can simply unplug it if you go in for warranty work.
If you’re handy with a soldering gun the resistor only costs like 20-cents at Radio Shack.
And plans are available for free for all models on the Vette Forums.
Some one has been doing an awful lot of research
08-18-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Wow, that's sure a cheap way out if you ask me. Instead of improving engine technology (reducing pumping losses, vvt, etc), they do this...
08-18-2005, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
If you spend 50,000 for a Vette, most people don’t have issue with spending another 20 bucks for the fix.
I heard it’s real easy to do. Unplug one cable and then insert the adapter and plug it back together.
No warranty issues either because you can simply unplug it if you go in for warranty work.
If you’re handy with a soldering gun the resistor only costs like 20-cents at Radio Shack.
And plans are available for free for all models on the Vette Forums.
I heard it’s real easy to do. Unplug one cable and then insert the adapter and plug it back together.
No warranty issues either because you can simply unplug it if you go in for warranty work.
If you’re handy with a soldering gun the resistor only costs like 20-cents at Radio Shack.
And plans are available for free for all models on the Vette Forums.
I agree with that. I'm sure those people also don't mind spending extra money for gas.
08-18-2005, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
So you’re saying that an all aluminum 400 Horsepower V8 that moves the car from 0-60 in about 5-seconds, has a top speed of near 200, still 50-State Emission legal and gets 28 MPG on the highway isn’t technologically advanced enough for you ???
08-18-2005, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by danny25
when I had a stick I would usually go through all the gears. Unless I was accelerating hard in a low gear then I might skip up to 5th when I got up to speed.
Originally Posted by srika
if you have the throttle down far enough it won't skip shift.. if your driving casually, it will force you from 1-4... lame as hell when it happens - you feel so out of control.
but... swap out a resistor and you can bypass it
oh yeah GTO has the same setup.. 1st to 4th...
but... swap out a resistor and you can bypass it
oh yeah GTO has the same setup.. 1st to 4th...
My cuz z06 has it, not a bad feature... It you need the power just shift right and its there...
08-19-2005, 10:50 AM
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I go thru them all too...The Vette has the 1-4 upshift to save fuel economy, but it will only force the 4th gear upshift if you're feathering the accelerator.
08-21-2005, 07:20 PM
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CAGS - or Computer Aided Gear Selection or "Skip Shift" for short, was first introduced on the 1992 6-speed Corvette and eventually found its way into all 6-speed equipped Corvette, Camaro Z28/SS, Firebird Trans Am and Formula models as well as the new Pontiac GTO.
My 2005 GTO has the feature and I can honestly say that it doesn't bother me at all. The conditions for skip shift to occur are between the speed of 16-21mph at a throttle position of below 22% with an engine speed between 2,100 and 2,500rpm in first gear and at a pre determined operating temperature.
As you can believe, the number of times you are actually in a situation like that is almost zero. And yes, as others have stated a $20 dollar part from any speed shop that specializes in F-body/GTO's/Corvettes will eleminate the system.
The LSx series of engines are great engines. No they may not have variable valve timing or multiple cams, but 400hp and 400lb/ft of torque with a revlimit of 6,600rpm and 28mph on the freeway is quite impressive. Not to mention the double over drive nature of the T-56 (100mph in 6th gear = 2,500rpm)
And boy was I glad I didn't get hit with a gas guzzler tax and CAGS is what allowed that to happpen.
So yea, you can skip gears and no it work hurt anything.
My 2005 GTO has the feature and I can honestly say that it doesn't bother me at all. The conditions for skip shift to occur are between the speed of 16-21mph at a throttle position of below 22% with an engine speed between 2,100 and 2,500rpm in first gear and at a pre determined operating temperature.
As you can believe, the number of times you are actually in a situation like that is almost zero. And yes, as others have stated a $20 dollar part from any speed shop that specializes in F-body/GTO's/Corvettes will eleminate the system.
The LSx series of engines are great engines. No they may not have variable valve timing or multiple cams, but 400hp and 400lb/ft of torque with a revlimit of 6,600rpm and 28mph on the freeway is quite impressive. Not to mention the double over drive nature of the T-56 (100mph in 6th gear = 2,500rpm)
And boy was I glad I didn't get hit with a gas guzzler tax and CAGS is what allowed that to happpen.
So yea, you can skip gears and no it work hurt anything.
08-22-2005, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadmaster
28mph on the freeway is quite impressive.
08-22-2005, 01:11 PM
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