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i can't agree more with this statement... AMG used to differentiate the performance line... now you can get an AMG in every model they offer... i mean c'mon a CLA AMG??? give me a f'king break!!! i was on board with the C63 AMG cramming the huge motor into a small car... but once they started producing multiple variants of the motor just so they could brand it an AMG, it pushed me over the edge...
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i can't agree more with this statement... AMG used to differentiate the performance line... now you can get an AMG in every model they offer... i mean c'mon a CLA AMG??? give me a f'king break!!! i was on board with the C63 AMG cramming the huge motor into a small car... but once they started producing multiple variants of the motor just so they could brand it an AMG, it pushed me over the edge...
I always considered Alpina to be more like Brabus is to Mercedes.
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Audi has shown a bit more restraint, I'd say. They keep it simpler with the RS line.
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What about Acura and Type-S?
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i can't agree more with this statement... AMG used to differentiate the performance line... now you can get an AMG in every model they offer... i mean c'mon a CLA AMG??? give me a f'king break!!! i was on board with the C63 AMG cramming the huge motor into a small car... but once they started producing multiple variants of the motor just so they could brand it an AMG, it pushed me over the edge...
To me I am not bothered by a CLA45 AMG. Reason being, AMG has always been about putting a lot of power and that model does that when compared to a CLA250.
We went to test drive a Cabriolet C300 yesterday for the wife. They also had a C43 AMG there, which we drove. TO ME, that C43 bothers me. The C63 AMG makes sense in the cabriolet, as does the C300 base. But to dilute the name with a C43AMG (which is not a full blown amg), doesn't make sense to me.
HOWEVER, per the sales person, inventory, the C43AMG Cabrio is selling. Locally from what I was offered for the wife, I could get a C300 Cabriolet, Red interior, Sports Package, for only $7,000 less than the C43AMG. So in the market the C43 AMG is filling a niche. I am just a old person and a luddite and think C63 as the pure AMG, and the C43 as the poseur AMG. Then again my wife really liked the C43, so what do I know
If you look at the C43 AMG vs C300, there is hardly any noticeable difference, which is beyond me. If I get a sports package on the C300, aside from the rear pipes, you can't even tell. That isn't cool. AMG should be different.
Though the bigger problem, I think is that the S and C and E looking so similar. It isn't a problem for me, when I buy a C. But think of the guy buying the S, and his Cabrio/Coupe has such similarities with the C.
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IDK, an M2 is a true driver's car and a little screamer. It is probably better suited for the "M" treatment than a 6 which is a big, heavy car.
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As long as it's a serious performance competitor in its class, I think it's fine putting M in front of a BMW or AMG at the end of a Merc. So M2 and C63 are worth it IMO.
Benz's new x43 AMGs aren't far enough removed from the regular lineup to maintain AMG's cachet, IMO. Now it's only the numerical digits that matter.
Benz's new x43 AMGs aren't far enough removed from the regular lineup to maintain AMG's cachet, IMO. Now it's only the numerical digits that matter.
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But that V12 though.
Riding in a twin turbo V12, accelerating from 60-120+ in just a few seconds with the utmost of smoothness is otherworldly. It's so serene that it's scary. The torque is instantaneous and omnipresent.
Riding in a twin turbo V12, accelerating from 60-120+ in just a few seconds with the utmost of smoothness is otherworldly. It's so serene that it's scary. The torque is instantaneous and omnipresent.
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Never been in a v12TT
but a friend had a F550 manual trans and that v12 torque was amazing. I mean you could start it in 4th gear from a stop sign without stallling
I can’t inagine the amazing torque on the v12TT
but a friend had a F550 manual trans and that v12 torque was amazing. I mean you could start it in 4th gear from a stop sign without stallling
I can’t inagine the amazing torque on the v12TT
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What I don't like are the packages. M-Sport, AMG-Sport, and S-Line. I am not a fan of those sport packages carrying the same name (or a similar variation of it) as the upgraded models. They should just simply be "sport" packages and that's that. I think that is where the dilution comes into play b/c many buyers do not know the difference, so John or Mary with the C300 that has the AMG sport package thinks they have an AMG, and that is where I think the brand takes a hit.
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"M-Sport" to BMW is a partial step to "M" status for my 650. It's got bigger brakes, a different exhaust, different spring rates, larger wheels, a nicer steering wheel, and a modified front air dam for starters. It's definitely a better looking and handling car than a non-M 650 and not as balls to the wall as the M6. My 650 is plenty fast enough and stops very well for a large car.
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"M-Sport" to BMW is a partial step to "M" status for my 650. It's got bigger brakes, a different exhaust, different spring rates, larger wheels, a nicer steering wheel, and a modified front air dam for starters. It's definitely a better looking and handling car than a non-M 650 and not as balls to the wall as the M6. My 650 is plenty fast enough and stops very well for a large car.
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I don't know about the C sedan, but the drive in the C300 vs C43 Cabriolet we posted above, was completely different. I think the wife is leaning towards the C43, because in real world, price difference is coming out to $7,100 when optioned the same and the drive/platform seemed much more engaging in our 45min drive of each.
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That thing is a rocket... isnt that the fastest car in the entire BMW/Alpina lineup?
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If you mean the B7 for top speed yes, quickest probably not (I8)
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I8 is faster?
I just saw a youtube video not too long ago stating that B7 has the fastest acceleration car in BMW's lineup.
Just did a quick research... B7 can run in the 11s and i8 is quite slow compare to B7 in any speed.
I just saw a youtube video not too long ago stating that B7 has the fastest acceleration car in BMW's lineup.
Just did a quick research... B7 can run in the 11s and i8 is quite slow compare to B7 in any speed.
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Doesn't the B7 have a 205 MPH top speed?
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i8
Zero to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds and 12.4 seconds in the quarter-mile confirm that BMW is earnest in its sports-car intentions. Hold the pedal down and the i8’s little-engine-that-can revs to 6000 rpm through the first five gears to a governed 155-mph top speed in sixth.
i8
Zero to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds and 12.4 seconds in the quarter-mile confirm that BMW is earnest in its sports-car intentions. Hold the pedal down and the i8’s little-engine-that-can revs to 6000 rpm through the first five gears to a governed 155-mph top speed in sixth.
b7
Here is enough power to rank the B7 as the quickest dealership-sold BMW we’ve ever tested, with 60 mph arriving in 3.4 seconds and the quarter-mile smoked like a robusto at the end of a Dyson vacuum: 11.6 seconds at 122 mph.
Here is enough power to rank the B7 as the quickest dealership-sold BMW we’ve ever tested, with 60 mph arriving in 3.4 seconds and the quarter-mile smoked like a robusto at the end of a Dyson vacuum: 11.6 seconds at 122 mph.
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a 5000 lbs tank can go 11.x in 1/4 miles... i dont even know what that feels like....
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Yup
it’s the best time to be alive as an auto enthusiast
I remember when Nissan Maxima and first gs400 could do 5.7-6.6 0-60 and people were amazed
nowadays a school teachers Camry/Accord can do that and no one is impressed
11 sec 1/4 mile
3s 0-60
600 hp
are almost requirements to have a conversation with a 16 year old
it’s the best time to be alive as an auto enthusiast
I remember when Nissan Maxima and first gs400 could do 5.7-6.6 0-60 and people were amazed
nowadays a school teachers Camry/Accord can do that and no one is impressed
11 sec 1/4 mile
3s 0-60
600 hp
are almost requirements to have a conversation with a 16 year old
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straight line yes they are equal, start turning and then, not so much as the B7 leaves the M760 behind.
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^^^ yeah, that would NOT be something I'd ever do. Alpina tune would more than suffice I'm sure.
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Given that BMW's continue to offer one of the few AWD sedans still available with 3 pedals, I've already decided the 4 series x-drive will be my next ride. Ugh....my way of driving for the past 20 years is going the way of the dinosaurs.
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Never driven a 4wd manual sedan From bmw.
Wifes 16WRX6MT is fun, but it’s a very low quality product
Wifes 16WRX6MT is fun, but it’s a very low quality product
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My wife won't buy an automatic-her last 2 BMW's have been 6 speed manual 3 series cars, a 330xi and a 335xi, both sedans. She has a sticker on the rear driver's side door window that says "Save the Stick!"
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What will be the wife’s next car, Chief?
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Probably another 3 series, it's the perfect size for her and she is a "car chick" through and through able to heel/toe, threshold brake, etc., damn good driver. I'm trying to talk her into an Alfa Romeo Giulia or an M3
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Same here
trying to talk wife into m4 cabriolet
she prefers the c43 Amg
trying to talk wife into m4 cabriolet
she prefers the c43 Amg
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it would be the wife’s first AT
p.s. I thought all Giula in Usa was AT?
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I thought you could get the quadrofoglio in 6spd?
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Hmmm on their site and looks like they changed it. Only the 8 spd now. If it’s the same 8spd from the mopars it’s a great gear box.
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I don’t know enough about the Giula. They are pretty and as you know like the F pace they are all over especially with the dirt cheap lease deal. I just thought they were AT only
I am sure Someone will correct me
we have no use for a sedan , so I don’t really follow
I am sure Someone will correct me
we have no use for a sedan , so I don’t really follow
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8 speed AT standard, nowhere to delete/replace with true manual.
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The 4-series is a two door boat (except for the M4 which has great proportions). The only thing I love about the 4-series is that it weeds out people from buying a 2-series. I literally see 10 or more 4-series for every one 2-series sighting.
"M-Sport" to BMW is a partial step to "M" status for my 650. It's got bigger brakes, a different exhaust, different spring rates, larger wheels, a nicer steering wheel, and a modified front air dam for starters. It's definitely a better looking and handling car than a non-M 650 and not as balls to the wall as the M6. My 650 is plenty fast enough and stops very well for a large car.
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Don't know about the Alpina, but I checked out the M760Li at a BMW event and the interior materials were outstanding. I liked it more than the A8 and S550 from the auto show.