CAgine

This time, would Porsche be able to justify its hefty price tag on it, and all future 911s after? Rumor is that the 991 turbo will be a lot faster than the 997 around the track (go figure)...but the 13' Godzilla just did 7:16 around the track (although a rumor as well, but video should confirm it when released)

Crazy Bimmer

If the past is any indication then the Porsche will still be more fun to toss around. IMO

achenator

It's gonna be a constant battle. The new Turbo will beat the GT-R and then the GT-R will beat the Turbo and so on and so forth. Buy what u like.

charliemike

Fortunately they aren't the same cars so Porsche doesn't need to justify beating the Nissan to charge what they will for the 991.

If I have the money for a 991 Turbo, that is what I am getting if I wanted it.

If I don't then the GT-R is a really, really nice alternative.

CLpower

exactly....you don't understand 911's till you drive them.


plus...shifting > pointing

KieranM37

well said. Can't really complain either way. both incredible cars

JS + XES

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This 100%.

Mr Marco

OP, Is this your opinion, or can you state/post some facts/stories on the issue. Maybe some pics of the GTR crossing the line ahead of the 911. At least something to make this thread interesting. Lots of boring news here in AZ lately.

savage

I think that at the end of the day, Porsche's primary clientele will still buy the Porsche regardless of the cost over a GTR.

I would also believe that the Porsche owners that care about track times and intend to do a lot of track days will likely buy GT3 or GT3-RS over the relatively posh Turbo or GTR.

The Dougler

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laptimes don't dictate retail pricing.

iforyou

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I think the official new record for the GT-R is 7:18.6 by Nissan's official driver. The actual lap time was 7:19.1 but Nissan engineers deducted 0.5s because there was a turn where the GT-R was blocked for a bit so the test drive had to lift off from the throttle momentarily.

Anyway, IMO, while the GT-R is meant to be a beast on a track, the 911 isn't all about that. The 911 will continually do well on the track, but it's the unique driving feel that's probably more important for 911 owners.

juniorbean

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/thread.


I know right? Come to an automotive discussion board and it's filled with discussions. Crazy...

Moog-Type-S

...and one is beautiful, the other

achenator

Well the 991 Turbo should be better looking than the 997 so that should help it a bit.

speedemon90

you're biased you get no say

dallison

A porsche is more fun to drive, less nannies.

Steven Bell

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Porsche keeps winning best overall car everywhere I read. Besides, I like the looks better than the GT-R.

Dr. Colorado

+1

+1. Carrera S, Turbo and Turbo S are everyday supercars that make excellent daily drivers. GTR from my driving experience was more harsh and uncomfortable in stop and go traffic, it really needs an open road for the turbos to shine. GTR is like a surgical scalpel, incredibly precise with astounding performance for its weight, but at least for me, lacking the emotional appeal of a rear-engine, RWD and nimble c2S. I had more fun with my RWD C2S than AWD C4 or Turbo. The latter 2 felt heavier and less spry. The Turbo's exhaust is subdued, definitely needs an aftermarket exhaust or PSE.

I respect the Skyline heritage and what Nissan engineers have accomplished. In the end, competition benefits the consumer. Nissan forced Porsche's hand, without the GTR we may not have seen a 997.2 TurboS running 2.8 0-60 time.

In a similar vein, the MP4-12C is good competition for the Italia, free ECU upgrades for Macca customers is nice to see. I'm positive Ferrari will make the Monte Carlo (458 Scuderia) a work of art thanks to Macca's competition.

Spoken like a true Porschephile. There is no substitute...well except for Ferrari LOL. Actually, Porsche 960 should be spectacular. Mid-engine supercar with Italia and MP4-12C as competition. With a price tag of >$300K it better deliver though. At that pricepoint, one has to entertain the F12.

918 looks good too, impressive tech and performance. That is until the Ferrari F70 debuts with KERS tech.

Rick_TL-S

The Nurburgring is but one track & does not dictate all others to start.

Secondly, the 991 Carrera S has run lap times next to the 997 GT3 & Turbo, who in turn can run times at around the same pace as the GT-R, though they're a bit slower on average. Given that information, I'd be surprised if the new Turbo did not run lap times at least as quick, if not even faster than the GT-R. The new GT3 should be right there as well now that it will have the optional PDK gearbox.

achenator

Don't get me wrong i'd love to have a GT3 or Turbo variant. I'm nervous enough driving my $70k car on the track much less a $170k car. I can afford the car but I can't afford to total a GT3 RS with no insurance.

achenator

By the way I let 2 PCA instructors drive my car on the track on 93 octane about 520 whp or so and they were both AMAZED. Neither one complained about the car "driving itself"

StreetKA

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I think new turbo will be available with pdk only

james357

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until i can throw a GTR into a corner with the calculated effort it truly takes the mental ability to control a Porsche 911 through the same corner, i have no respect for the GTR.

If i wanted to mindlessly throw my car at corners I'd drive a GTR.

If I wanted to control every input as I carve through a corner as if I were a scalpel mid-heart surgery I'd own a 911.

Given the two in a comparative analysis, I'd hope you poor souls that claim to be car enthusiasts would disown the engineering feat that is the GTR in favor or controlling all the aspects around a 1974 manual Porsche 911 with a carburetor and pedals that hinge from the floor not this pussy autotragic garbage. Take racing back to its basics not this new-age computer controlled point & go type of chassis.

Rick_TL-S

I love the misconception that anyone can jump into a GT-R & act like the car will transform you into Michael Schumacher.

james357

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I've driven both. next assumption?

Even still you know you can throw the GTR in harder with less to care about than most 911's knowing it will sort it all out in the end.

juniorbean

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Funny how you reply to his assumption with an assumption. He didn't quote your post, so how do you know that comment was directed at you specifically?

Not a big deal... just made me chuckle.

mmafighta

GT3 manual.

NwTSXmt

So tell us what do you drive now?....On Topic both cars are the SHIT...

Dr. Colorado

TurboS you could DD. GT3RS is track only, basically unsuitable for daily use. The front on my boy's 997.2 GT3RS was so slammed he couldn't even negotiate the entrance into our building's parking garage. Clutch was heavier than GT3, you will get left calf hypertrophy for sure.

997.2 TurboS is PDK only

991 GT3 may be PDK only. Spy shots and test-mules confirm PDK with no visual evidence of manual tranny.

http://www.porscheboost.com/content....h-transmission

achenator

I wouldn't DD any of the above cars, I don' t daily my GT-R. I prefer a pickup or SUV. If I daily'd a fast car, my driving record would be poo.

Mr Marco

The real issue is that I can't afford either of them because my wife blew to much fucking money on a home remodel for a house that we owe more on than market value so I'm pissed off that I got stuck with these Acura's for the next 10 years and I take my anger out on the poor OP instead of confronting my wife about her bad decisions and coming clean with her about my addiction to Vodka and Interweb Porn.

Mr Marco

Since OP seems to have run away from this thread, let's all watch a video,

Rick_TL-S

Good for you! Let's point out the part now, where I said you didn't.

My point remains the same about people's idea that a GT-R's driving aids can allow anyone to drive fast. The GT-R does not automatically substitute electronics for driver skill. And nowhere in my post did I say anything about the 911.

juniorbean

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OK... now that made me laugh. Good show...

nokiaman

The clutch on the gt3.2rs isn't as bad as you describe, it was certainly made a lot more user-friendly at least compared to the earlier RS models.

To play the devil's advocate you shouldn't expect a clutch as friendly as say a Honda Civic...I suspect it most likely feels that way to someone who wasn't necessarily used to P's clutches. If you want heavy, try a 996 GT2. You can certainly dd a GT3 rs depending on where you live and I know of a few gentlemen that choose to do so on Rennlist. I personally found it too much a car to daily everyday.

As far as the 991 GT3 is concerned, rumor is the RS might have a reworked version of the current 7-speed manual.

nokiaman

Track day insurance.

Dr. Colorado

Roger. GT3 or RS then. Or CaymanR and save some coinage. Coming from a GTR, I anticipate you will get great pleasure in the linear and precise power delivery, sublime throttle response, and spot on steering.

Do you get used to the "rubber band" effect of the turbo spooling in the GTR over time?

Eh 4 years of DD not enough Mark? J/K. I never drove RS but 997.1 GT3 clutch was heavy for me. Traffic around here is a byooitch and I'm spoiled by Maranello's superb DCT. Lightyears ahead of F1 tranny IMO.

nokiaman

My sincere apologies.