Originally Posted by FiftyFive

27 lbs on a stock motor? First of all the stock turbo maxes out a 26 psi, at least on an 8. And on 27lbs with out meth or alky that motor wouldnt last more than couple of runs.

Originally Posted by JnC

I would respectfully disagree with your statement. The guy driving the evo is non other than the famous Drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya and you believe me when i say that he is eons better of a drive than Mr. Clarkson .


By the way here is some history on Tsuchiya's driving career.

Driving History: Keiichi Tsuchiya
Born January 1956
1977 Debut in Fuji Freshman series.
1977-1984 Ran selected entries in All Japan Touring Car championship.
1984 Fuji Freshman series race (Toyota AE86)= 6 wins
1985 All Japan Touring Car championship (Toyota AE86) 1st in Class 3
1986 Corolla Sprinter Cup-2 podium places
1987 All Japan Touring Car championship (Honda Civic)-1 win
1988 Toyota Cup-1st overall
All Japan Touring Car championship (BMW M30)-3rd in Class 2
Macau Guia race (BMW M3)-4th overall
1989 All Japan F3 championship
All Japan Touring Car championship (Ford Sierra Cosworth)-1 win
1990 All Japan Touring Car championship (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
Macau Guia race (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
New Zealand Touring Car series (Toyota)
1991 All Japan F3 championship (Ralt-Mugen)-10th overall
All Japan Touring Car championship (Nissan Skyline GT-R)-5th overall
1992 All Japan Touring Car championship (Nissan Skyline GT-R)
1993 All Japan Touring Car championship (Taisan Nissan Skyline GT-R)-1 win
Japan Endurance series (Honda Prelude)-2nd Tsukuba 12 Hours
1994 All Japan GT championship (Porsche 911T)-1 win
All Japan Touring Car championship (Honda Civic)
Suzuka 1000kms (Porsche 911T)-1st in class, 2nd overall
Le Mans 24 Hours (Honda NSX)-18th overall
1995 All Japan GT championship (Porsche911TRSR)
All Japan Touring Car championship (Honda Civic)
Suzuka 1000kms (Honda NSX)-5th overall
Tokachi 12 Hours (Honda NSX)-1st overall
Le Mans 24 Hours (Honda NSX)-1st in class
1996 All Japan GT championship (Honda NSX)-13th overall
Entered NASCAR Thunder Special race at Suzuka
Le mans 24 Hours (Honda NSX)-3rd in class
1997 All Japan GT championship (Porsche 911/Dodge Viper)
Fuji InterTec race (Toyota Chaser)
Suzuka 1000kms (Lark McLaren F1 GTR)-9th overall
Entered NASCAR Thunder Special race at Suzuka
Le Mans 24 Hours (Lark McLaren F1 GTR)-qualified 10th, retired from race
1998 All Japan Touring Car championship (Toyota Chaser)-7th overall
All Japan GT championship (Toyota Supra)-8th overall
Le Mans 24 Hours (Toyota GT-One)-9th overall
NASCAR at the California Speedway.
1999 Japan Touring Car Championship(Advan Altezza Touring car).
2000-2001 he joined team ARTA racing a NSX once again in the All Japan GT championship.

Originally Posted by ubnpast

Yes it does run at 26 all day long, and spikes to 27-28, completly stock motor and no meth or alky kits. Couple runs, are you kidding? She has put on over 30k miles and races anyone and everyone. Not a single problem as of yet, the car holds up exceptionally well. If you dont believe me, call her b/f keith at turbotrix.

EDIT: I am positive you have heard of them, excellent shop.

Originally Posted by FiftyFive

12.4 stock? Must be a world record, no evo is running a 12.4 completely stock

Originally Posted by ubnpast

Yes it does run at 26 all day long, and spikes to 27-28, completly stock motor and no meth or alky kits. Couple runs, are you kidding? She has put on over 30k miles and races anyone and everyone. Not a single problem as of yet, the car holds up exceptionally well. If you dont believe me, call her b/f keith at turbotrix.

EDIT: I am positive you have heard of them, excellent shop.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

If you would have read my comments after I meant stock turbo

Originally Posted by FiftyFive

I have heard of them, but i havent heard of a stock motor spiking to 28 lbs and lasting so long, i am surprised.

Originally Posted by srika

Originally Posted by FiftyFive

I have heard of them, but i havent heard of a stock motor spiking to 28 lbs and lasting so long, i am surprised.

Originally Posted by TLdriver022

I would take a 997 turbo over a ZO6 anyday. Corvettes are for hillbillies

Originally Posted by TLdriver022

I would take a 997 turbo over a ZO6 anyday. Corvettes are for hillbillies

Originally Posted by FastAcura

I agree with the first comment, but how old are you? A "hillbilly" could buy two TLs for the price of a Z06...but TLs are for women who love torque steer.

Originally Posted by FastAcura

I agree with the first comment, but how old are you? A "hillbilly" could buy two TLs for the price of a Z06...but TLs are for women who love torque steer.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

ANd the z06 is for people who love the depreciation on corvettes let alone american cars. 25K mark up here in Ft Lauderdale , Not worth it.
The amount of money you loose driving off the lot you could buy a tl cash

Originally Posted by ubnpast

Actually you can have 3 $30k tl's for the price of a z06 from the dealer.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

ANd the z06 is for people who love the depreciation on corvettes let alone american cars. 25K mark up here in Ft Lauderdale , Not worth it.
The amount of money you loose driving off the lot you could buy a tl cash

Originally Posted by ubnpast

Hey, you only live once, right?

Originally Posted by kobi2002

true but a stock evo here does 12.4- 12.8 stock 4 banger!!!!! flash and a boost controller its in th high 11's low 12's stock turbo!!!!!!!. none the less a 4 banger 2.0l vs 7.0 v8. Very simple mods to this car will kill a z06 ,STOCK TURBO!!!!!!. An d as for the fq 400, it is a big turbo, not the biggest since a gt35r on the evo's would put the car in the 600 to 700 hp range.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

true but a stock evo here does 12.4- 12.8 stock 4 banger!!!!! flash and a boost controller its in th high 11's low 12's stock turbo!!!!!!!. none the less a 4 banger 2.0l vs 7.0 v8. Very simple mods to this car will kill a z06 ,STOCK TURBO!!!!!!. An d as for the fq 400, it is a big turbo, not the biggest since a gt35r on the evo's would put the car in the 600 to 700 hp range.

Originally Posted by bigman

And another thing. About 2 years ago, i spent-
$350 on headers
$350 on true duals
$300 on a cam (T-Rex for you gm guys)
$200 On springs
$100 on pushods
$250 on tune
$200 on install parts

For about $1800 i made 411 rwhp without even doing heads. With heads i could have hit close to 500 at the wheels with that cam. And this was on an LS1. Ive changed setups a couple of times since, but that was the most inexpensive setup i had.

Originally Posted by bigman

Dude are you serious, there are bolt on z06's making 60 more horses. Thunder racing has a "baby" cam for the New Z06 that makes over 120 horses on the stock manifolds. I think that 7.0 liter v8 has an amazing amount of potential. Not to mention that a few members of the vette forums are crazy enough to run the Warhawk heads with a cam on the Z06's. All motor, they are pulling around 700rwhp. Not saying the evo doesnt havr potential, but dont say that the vette doesnt have it either.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

Also whp and horsepower from factory is diffrent just to let you know if you did not know already

Originally Posted by kobi2002

not to draw this thing dead, but an evo can make 330 whp with about $1000 or a little over and that is not pulling the motor at all, Stroker kit bigger turbo (Gt35 or gt40r) ecu and all that good stuff, skies the limit. i know of 2 evo's here in Ft lauderdale that has 900 and 1000 whp respectively. Now those two cars are far from stock and the motor was opened, butit was done. The one drawback is that you can not drive a car like that on the street everyday (not comfortable) but that is what you pay for horsepower and that goes for any car you push. Anyone who does not believe an evo can push 1000 whp just google ams evo or just look on google. They tunealot of evo's. Also look up billet design in pompano beach fl. That shop is where they have an evo pushing 1000 whp also. but hp like that cost money.

Originally Posted by bigman

Of course i know that, i have a 427 cu in motor in my Trans am. All th numbers i stated above were were at the wheels, hence the RWHP, Rear wheel Horse power.

Originally Posted by bigman

You dont have to pull the motor on an LS to do heads and a cam. A stroker kit for the LS will obviously need to have the motor pulled though. The thing i like about all motor GM V8's is that you can force induction them with a twin turbo setup to 700 plus horses and daily drive em, or you can heads, cam, stroker and be around a similar number andstill be daily drivable. Whereas the evo wont be good for a daily driver. Bottom line is that either motor can make lots of power for little money when compared to other cars.

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

Need to get out of state, or smaller areas. Our dealer has had 2 of them go for sticker

Originally Posted by FastAcura

You're beating a dead horse. I don't think this guy understands that there are cars out there that are faster than an Evolution.

Originally Posted by FiftyFive

Stop arrguing about which has more potential or this and that, they are two totally different cars mainly used for two different things, in two different price ranges.

Originally Posted by kobi2002

I just mentioned the potential of the evo and was not expecting an argument. Sorry for stepping on Z06 toes

Originally Posted by FastAcura

Right, a Z06 has no "potential" at all. What's the point of arguing modded vs stock?

Originally Posted by kobi2002

Not tring to get into who's penis is bigger

Originally Posted by ubnpast

Obviously, because I would win of course