View Poll Results: Which would you have... Ford Mustang GT vs BMW M3
BMW M3
103
73.57%
Ford Mustang GT
37
26.43%
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Poll: Ford Mustang GT vs BMW M3
#121
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Well there is all kinds of supposed Mustang "love" going on in this thread but the poll results clearly show that over 70% of AZiners would take an M3 over the new Mustang. Frankly, I'm astounded its not more.
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
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If I could afford an M3, I'm probably buying it because the Mustang has a stigma of drag racing knuckleheads with straight pipes that I don't want to be associated with ...
Of course BMW has the issue of pretentious collar-popping frat boy douchebags too ... And I have no interest in that demographic either.
But if I had to choose, I'd probably go with the spray-tan dickhead.
Of course BMW has the issue of pretentious collar-popping frat boy douchebags too ... And I have no interest in that demographic either.
But if I had to choose, I'd probably go with the spray-tan dickhead.
The ignorance in this thread is starting to reach the levels moron-ism.
Everyone needs to knock it off.
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Well there is all kinds of supposed Mustang "love" going on in this thread but the poll results clearly show that over 70% of AZiners would take an M3 over the new Mustang. Frankly, I'm astounded its not more.
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
2) The domestics are showing they are trying hard, and because of the many people are willing see what the hullabalo is about and they are walking away impressed. I myself was out of town for a week and picked an all new Tauras SEL for my rental...color me impressed, I'd consider one as a daily driver, it was that good.
3) Again....scalpel vs chainsaw and what is your desire.
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Lets relax on the name calling meow. This topic was going just fine without it. Remember folks, everyone has their own opinion! Its crazy.. i know.
I thought about something else. What would you rather have... V6 Stang or an E46 M3? Now that be interesting as well.
I thought about something else. What would you rather have... V6 Stang or an E46 M3? Now that be interesting as well.
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Mustangs shouldnt have 6 cylinder engines, so that argument is bunk.
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Believe it or not, I don't buy certain products because of the "stereotype" some carry. And there are people out there who make that choice as well...
I won't lie that I chose the FX over the BMW X5 because of what "stigma" the BMW holds. Same reason why I didn't consider a Mercedes. Is it narrow-minded, perhaps. But, there's a big-deal in perception IMO. So, if I can get something comparable...why not?
I'd argue the same goes for clothing.
But, whatever...I still think this comparison of the Mustang versus the M3 is a bit off-to-orbit. Sure, the Mustang has "M3-like" performance numbers, but, please...they are in different markets and for different buyers!
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^ That'd be the Miata and (sometimes) the SLK, Bimmer-breath.
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#133
I drive a Subata.
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E46, of course.
#134
I drive a Subata.
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Miata
#135
Think so? I always thought that part of the success of the Mustang was it's broad appeal and accessibility. You could have a very basic powertrain but still with that particular Mustang appeal, or a rumbling V8 with plenty of performance. Although the Mustang has had it's ups and downs, I believe this broad appeal is what allowed it to survive, whereas the offerings from across town struggled, and even ceased production at times.
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There's nothing wrong with a V6 Mustang, IMO.
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Think so? I always thought that part of the success of the Mustang was it's broad appeal and accessibility. You could have a very basic powertrain but still with that particular Mustang appeal, or a rumbling V8 with plenty of performance. Although the Mustang has had it's ups and downs, I believe this broad appeal is what allowed it to survive, whereas the offerings from across town struggled, and even ceased production at times.
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But the muscle car fan part of my brain still says meh
#138
E92
It would be nice, but the real question is whether they would do it without adding another 400 pounds
#139
E92
And I don't think these cars are so dissimilar. They're performance cars, but one is more expensive because it's more refined and prestigious. There. The whole thing in one sentence. What's so hard about that?
#140
Whats up with RDX owners?
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It's a suit and I'm sure if one looks hard enough, you'll find one which fits decently.
#142
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Funny question. I believe it was a simple "If you had to chose one" question. For me, it's pretty simple, outside of the late 60's, the Mustang never did anything for me. I just never warmed up to them.
Having lived in Europe (Germany) for more than 10 years of my adult life), BMW really impressed me as a "drivers machine". No joke. I drove them there (never owned one), and it was impressive.
So my opinion, and that is all it is, is I would expect the majority to pick the M3 based on tradition and panache, the later being a bit silly in this day and age.
Having lived in Europe (Germany) for more than 10 years of my adult life), BMW really impressed me as a "drivers machine". No joke. I drove them there (never owned one), and it was impressive.
So my opinion, and that is all it is, is I would expect the majority to pick the M3 based on tradition and panache, the later being a bit silly in this day and age.
#143
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With the $30K I save with the Mustang I am renting a Gulfstream to fly me across the country
#144
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^ Love the avatar, Silver!
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I never buy or don't buy cars (or any item) b/c of stereotypes. I could care less what other people think. I buy what I want b/c I like it/want it.
And for the record, I'd likely look at the Challenger or Camaro before the Mustang... but neither is a part of this article. So I can't say that officially
#147
The 2011 5.0 Mustang is a continuation of the modern S197 platform introduced for the 2005 Mustang, but it happens to have a brand new engine and many significant improvements, more than the typical MMC. Then again it has been 6 years.
I'd love an M3 despite whatever stigmas are associated with BMW drivers, same goes for the Mustang GT.
However, I doubt they would make a Lincoln with a solid rear axle. The solid rear axle is highly appealing for drag racers and drifters.... not so much for a potential Lincoln buyer, who probably wants a cushy, Lexus-like ride.
Well there is all kinds of supposed Mustang "love" going on in this thread but the poll results clearly show that over 70% of AZiners would take an M3 over the new Mustang. Frankly, I'm astounded its not more.
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
I can't imagine anyone being offered a choice of either car free of charge and picking the Mustang....
I don't see how that even matters. Someone can always pull up the sales numbers for Mustang GTs vs. M3s over the years and see what the entire public thinks
Its just that it doesn't offer the things that make the Mustang GT so attractive. Plentiful aftermarket, incredible all-around performance from the factory, any options you would need (not sure if the HIDs/heated seats/navigation/etc. is available on the V6) and plenty of great standard features already.
Those pros also factor in for the Mustang GT vs. the M3. Without even checking I can confidently guess that the GT is cheaper to mod, from engine parts to suspension, cheaper to maintain, and probably more reliable too. The simplicity of the Mustang wins out for me, since I'm a DIY mechanic. And even then, since it's a new car, it would be nice to have peace of mind too so I can spend more time driving my own car and less time driving loaners.
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I never buy or don't buy cars (or any item) b/c of stereotypes. I could care less what other people think. I buy what I want b/c I like it/want it.
And for the record, I'd likely look at the Challenger or Camaro before the Mustang... but neither is a part of this article. So I can't say that officially
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I think this thread needs to be renamed to something along the lines of if it was your money in your current financial status what would you purchase.
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#154
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There are many things that factor in to something as important and personal as a new car purchase besides simply "which one is the fastest".....
#155
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Those pros also factor in for the Mustang GT vs. the M3. Without even checking I can confidently guess that the GT is cheaper to mod, from engine parts to suspension, cheaper to maintain, and probably more reliable too. The simplicity of the Mustang wins out for me, since I'm a DIY mechanic. And even then, since it's a new car, it would be nice to have peace of mind too so I can spend more time driving my own car and less time driving loaners.
Also maintenance is included for 4 years 50k miles on the BMW so unless you keep cars for a long time, there really won't be a huge difference in maintenance costs.
#156
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Interestingly this is how I ended up in another G37. I wanted an M3 but just couldn't afford one. I looked at the Camaro (couldn't stand the interior/no nav option), the Genesis coupe (cheap interior/disappointing performance), and even the GTi (too slow for the price). The G37 was the only car that fit my performance/luxury criteria while still being remotely affordable. Even had the new Mustang GT been available, I would still have gone for the G37 for many reasons (styling/interior/quality/).
There are many things that factor in to something as important and personal as a new car purchase besides simply "which one is the fastest".....
There are many things that factor in to something as important and personal as a new car purchase besides simply "which one is the fastest".....
#157
My Lincoln has a solid rear axle and still has a semi cushy ride. Granted its a full size truck, but they've done it before if it suits the needs of the vehicle. If Ford ever did a luxury mustang I would see them bringing back the Cougar moniker instead of sticking it under Lincoln.
It'll also be more difficult to offer a solid rear axle in a luxury performance car. As you mentioned, Lincoln has offered a solid rear axle before..... if it suits the needs of the vehicle. I'm not sure if FoMoCo will deem it suitable for a Lincoln, let alone will Lincoln customers who are looking for a performance car. Actually, wait a second.... will Lincoln customers even look for a performance car?
The Mark LT (guessing this is the full-size truck you have) was another badge-engineered Ford (F-150) that didn't last very long. In addition Ford is moving towards IRS and unibody (at least with the Explorer) and considering the market trend of declining full-size truck sales, I doubt anything similar will happen anytime soon.
You can barely work on a standard outboard motor today without a computer cars are no different anymore, even muscle cars.
Also maintenance is included for 4 years 50k miles on the BMW so unless you keep cars for a long time, there really won't be a huge difference in maintenance costs.
Also maintenance is included for 4 years 50k miles on the BMW so unless you keep cars for a long time, there really won't be a huge difference in maintenance costs.
Despite offering free maintenance for 4 years, I'm disappointed by BMW's extended OCI. Free oil changes every 15k miles, isn't it? I know you are/were a tech at one point, and I don't know whether or not the extended OCI coincided with the free maintenance or not, but I'm sure in order to give something they had to take something else too.
I hate to assume things also but I'm pretty sure an oil change for an M3 is not cheap. I'm going to guess (at least) 10 quarts of full synthetic, plus the drop-in filter of course, and however much it costs for labor. Who is going to wait 15k for the oil change? Not me.
#159
Went right over your head
The Mustang and TL are apples and oranges.... or more like watermelons and grapefruits. I didn't say the Mustang and TL were similar.... but the fact remains that they are nearly in the same price range. I'm pretty sure most members here with a TL would like to trade up to a M3, if they really wanted to and could.
But the main factor here is money... if there are so many people here that would take a $60k car over a $30k car, then why aren't there more members on AZ in a $60k car instead of a $30k car?
Can't say the same for current M3 owners, going down to a Mustang GT would be a downgrade in several ways, surely. But the Mustang has a lot more going for it than people give it credit for.
The Mustang and TL are apples and oranges.... or more like watermelons and grapefruits. I didn't say the Mustang and TL were similar.... but the fact remains that they are nearly in the same price range. I'm pretty sure most members here with a TL would like to trade up to a M3, if they really wanted to and could.
But the main factor here is money... if there are so many people here that would take a $60k car over a $30k car, then why aren't there more members on AZ in a $60k car instead of a $30k car?
Can't say the same for current M3 owners, going down to a Mustang GT would be a downgrade in several ways, surely. But the Mustang has a lot more going for it than people give it credit for.
Most people here with a 30k dollar acura have practical priorities that can't be satisfied with a 60k dollar BMW, or a 35k dollar RWD 2 Door mustang.
They are all different cars, tending to different needs. Put peformance aside, since I'm not racing to the supermarket.
GET IT NOW?
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And this is all in response to this:
"I like how people are picking the M3 and ignoring the price factor. If its "M3 hands down" then why aren't they putting their money where their mouth is and instead of buying a $35k 3G TL-S (or a $35k Mustang) why didn't they buy an E90 M3? Or instead of a $30k TSX why didn't they get a $40k 335i?"
In case you forgot what came out of your keyboard.
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#160
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No. It went right over your head.
Most people here with a 30k dollar acura have practical priorities that can't be satisfied with a 60k dollar BMW, or a 35k dollar RWD 2 Door mustang.
They are all different cars, tending to different needs. Put peformance aside, since I'm not racing to the supermarket.
GET IT NOW?
Edit
And this is all in response to this:
"I like how people are picking the M3 and ignoring the price factor. If its "M3 hands down" then why aren't they putting their money where their mouth is and instead of buying a $35k 3G TL-S (or a $35k Mustang) why didn't they buy an E90 M3? Or instead of a $30k TSX why didn't they get a $40k 335i?"
In case you forgot what came out of your keyboard.
Most people here with a 30k dollar acura have practical priorities that can't be satisfied with a 60k dollar BMW, or a 35k dollar RWD 2 Door mustang.
They are all different cars, tending to different needs. Put peformance aside, since I'm not racing to the supermarket.
GET IT NOW?
Edit
And this is all in response to this:
"I like how people are picking the M3 and ignoring the price factor. If its "M3 hands down" then why aren't they putting their money where their mouth is and instead of buying a $35k 3G TL-S (or a $35k Mustang) why didn't they buy an E90 M3? Or instead of a $30k TSX why didn't they get a $40k 335i?"
In case you forgot what came out of your keyboard.