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Old 11-29-2004, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
The '03 Cobra makes 390 crank horsepower, not 420. They should make around 320 at the wheels. I'm not that far off from that number. Plus my dyno was done when it was still 75-80 degrees regularly. On a 45 degree day the blower makes noticably more power, in both cars. I never said I beat one, but I wasn't falling back as far as he would have liked me to. He was definitely bone stock too. Stock exhaust, etc. Those cars are pretty quiet until you swap the exhaust or add a new pulley on the blower. It was a silver convertable.

Yeah, and LS1 Camaro's were rated at 305hp, so they SHOULD put down ~270rwhp. Problem is that they dyno consistently at 300+rwhp. The 03/04 Cobra's are underrated, as is the Mach 1 & new 05 Mustang GT. Ever since the 99 Cobra debacle Ford has been conservative with hp claims.

And dont just look at the hp number, thats very decieving. The Cobra makes 100+wtq more than you, which would show itself much more if you raced from a stop.

Here steve, read these if you dont believe me:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ght=cobra+dyno

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ght=cobra+dyno
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
There is a difference between Dinan and Saleen though. Dinan is a tuner, Saleen is a manufacturer which asigns their unique vehicles their own VIN number, not a Ford VIN.

I also think technically dinan requires you to have a certain amount of their parts before youc an label it a dinan
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true but Dinan badges can be found on ebay


So if dinan thinks you are worthy of their badge then they will give it to you. I think since he had steve sign his car then that gives his car enough credit as if it was a dinan.


If that CL-P owner got a letter from acura saying it was a type-s, then by all means who are we to deny that.
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On this same note, if someone takes a Plymouth Cuda, and drops in a 426 Hemi........do we recognize it as a Hemi Cuda, therefore the resale value skyrockets?
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Originally Posted by CLpower
I also think technically dinan requires you to have a certain amount of their parts before youc an label it a dinan

Yeah it works on a point system, I was like 5 points shy give or take (was missing one add on from what I remember)......but my salesman got me the badge.

What a sport after spending $5k+.
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
Yeah, and LS1 Camaro's were rated at 305hp, so they SHOULD put down ~270rwhp. Problem is that they dyno consistently at 300+rwhp. The 03/04 Cobra's are underrated, as is the Mach 1 & new 05 Mustang GT. Ever since the 99 Cobra debacle Ford has been conservative with hp claims.

And dont just look at the hp number, thats very decieving. The Cobra makes 100+wtq more than you, which would show itself much more if you raced from a stop.

Here steve, read these if you dont believe me:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ght=cobra+dyno

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ght=cobra+dyno


I believe you, i know what kind of power the car makes. I'm just saying, the COBRA didn't pull very hard on me.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I'm just saying, the COBRA didn't pull very hard on me.

Details please!!!!!
Old 11-30-2004, 10:29 AM
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I would like to hear this story as well. It's not everyday a cl runs with an 03/04 cobra. Can you give us the whole story Steve? Was it at the track, the street what happened?
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It was on the street. 3 lane road. I pulled in behind him and we were casually weaving through traffic waiting for an open gap in traffic. Finally we did and he punched it and so did I. He got the jump on me (obviously, he was infront of me) and he pulled about 4 car lengths before I could react and get on it. After I was WOT he didn't pull anymore at all until he shut it down at 100 MPH. Then we got caught in more traffic. I got infront of him and we found open lanes again and I jumped on it. He stayed 2 cars back and didn't pull an inch. After I let off at 95 MPH or so he pulled up next to me and gave me the and was very impressed. A minute or two later we had open traffic and we were still side by side. Three honks and we were off. Neither of us got the jump but he slightly pulled on me. We started at 50 MPH dead even and by 80 MPH his door was at my bumper. At 110 when we shut it down my front bumper was at his rear bumper. I was pretty impressed with the CL that day It loves temps 50 degrees or lower.
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Way to hang with the big boys. It was a bone stock convertible 03/04 cobra right?
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Yeah bone stock as far as I know. Stock exhaust, suspension height, etc. Once you add the smallest of mods on those cars they get sick
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Maybe you are capable of better than 13.44 @108.
Those Cobras are really underrated from the factory. Most dyno @ over 360rwhp bone stock!!!
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I am definitely capable of better than 13.44. That run was on all season tires with 40k miles on them.

More track times this Friday on new tires. I made one pass so far with them and my 60' dropped nearly 1 tenth, but I smacked the rev limiter on the 1-2 shift so I only ran 13.5 @ 106.
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Where are you located in Mo county? I'd like to check out your ride. It sounds sweeet.
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Silver Spring. If you wanna check out my ride come to the meet we are having on Dec. 4th. Check the meet and greet forum for details.
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I'm in Silver Spring also now. I won't be able to make it to the event on DEC 4th. Maybe I'll see you around though.
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Where in Silver Spring?
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Colesville- near New Hampshire and Randolph
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No Shit. My parents live in Colesville on Twig Road.
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Good Hope?
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The "race" with the Cobra happened on New Hampshire from Randolph to Rt. 198
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Good Hope?

Off of Good Hope on Twig Road. Between New Hampshire and Briggs Chaney
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Near the rec center. If you are ever in the area let me know so we can meet up!!!
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Yeah right in the neighborhood.
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Yeah right in the neighborhood.
Looks like we made a love connection :ultraghey: :gheyfight:
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A slow one too!



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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
true but Dinan badges can be found on ebay


So if dinan thinks you are worthy of their badge then they will give it to you. I think since he had steve sign his car then that gives his car enough credit as if it was a dinan.


If that CL-P owner got a letter from acura saying it was a type-s, then by all means who are we to deny that.

but he didn't get a letter from saleen he got an autograph. so the president of acura signs the cl-p that makes it a type s??
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but he didn't get a letter from saleen he got an autograph. so the president of acura signs the cl-p that makes it a type s??
What makes it a Saleen a V8? No. Its the approval of the maker (steve saleen) and a serialized limited edition number, with engraved plaque. Which I have all. You people just don't seem to understand.

Mr.Steve good job. I could see how you would keep with an 03 on the freeway. It had to have been bone stock, because with a change of an intake, pulley, and exhaust and your pusing 450+rwhp. What MPH did you guys start at in each race? Conditions? What are your mods?
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What makes it a Saleen a V8? No. Its the approval of the maker (steve saleen) and a serialized limited edition number, with engraved plaque. Which I have all. You people just don't seem to understand.

Mr.Steve good job. I could see how you would keep with an 03 on the freeway. It had to have been bone stock, because with a change of an intake, pulley, and exhaust and your pusing 450+rwhp. What MPH did you guys start at in each race? Conditions? What are your mods?
I feel a flame war beginning....
Dont fuck w/ Mr. Steve..
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The runs started around 50 MPH which is perfect for my car.

My mods are listed in my signature. I put down 295whp/243wtrq in 75 degree weather.

In 75 degree weather the car ran 13.5 @ 106.
In 45 degree weather the car ran 13.4 @ 108.

The car pulls significantly harder once the temp falls below 50 degrees.

I had 40k miles on my tires and thus launching was impossible so I left the line as a street start, i.e. didn't go WOT until about 5 MPH. My 60' times were worse with the S/C than without.

I have new tires now and they dropped my 60' by 1 tenth with a soft launch as well. I didn't wanna push it too hard on their first run. I missed the shift from 1 -> 2 (gate shifting) and it bounced of the limiter. I ran 13.5 @ 106 for my one and only run that night. I should be able to get it moving harder off the line this Friday night.
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where is the approval because he gave you his autograph and a plate with your vin number on it?? And what makes it a saleen is the fact that it comes FROM steve saleen's factory not from ford slick
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unless it was built by his factory its not a saleen. you can't change that because he signed, you still bought it from a ford dealership and still paid to have the kit and the rims put on
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so what were his specs again?...
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
The runs started around 50 MPH which is perfect for my car.

My mods are listed in my signature. I put down 295whp/243wtrq in 75 degree weather.

In 75 degree weather the car ran 13.5 @ 106.
In 45 degree weather the car ran 13.4 @ 108.

The car pulls significantly harder once the temp falls below 50 degrees.

I had 40k miles on my tires and thus launching was impossible so I left the line as a street start, i.e. didn't go WOT until about 5 MPH. My 60' times were worse with the S/C than without.

I have new tires now and they dropped my 60' by 1 tenth with a soft launch as well. I didn't wanna push it too hard on their first run. I missed the shift from 1 -> 2 (gate shifting) and it bounced of the limiter. I ran 13.5 @ 106 for my one and only run that night. I should be able to get it moving harder off the line this Friday night.
My friend pretty much has the same setup as you. Power3dfx . He's car is extremely fast as well. The good thing about your cars is Vtec and high redline, which is why your FWY racing is improved. Good work, have you tried to tune it yet? Its difficult but you can with the e-manage, wideband, and rhe right stuff.
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Intercooler, more boost, and E-Manage are coming soon,
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STNG2NV

Not a Big Mustang Fan, but your car looks good, At 19 looks like you of to a good start.

Welldone
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Intercooler, more boost, and E-Manage are coming soon,
You dyno'd at about 300 rwhp @ what psi? How much more you gonna bump it up, for my car its roughly 10-12 hp per pound of boost. Intercooler would help you out, just make sure you tune it right so it will last and your engine won't go to crap.
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Not a Big Mustang Fan, but your car looks good, At 19 looks like you of to a good start.

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Thanks, to be honest im not a big fan of Acura CL's nor TL's, but some of them are hella fast/nice.
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Originally Posted by STNG2NV
You dyno'd at about 300 rwhp @ what psi? How much more you gonna bump it up, for my car its roughly 10-12 hp per pound of boost. Intercooler would help you out, just make sure you tune it right so it will last and your engine won't go to crap.

I'll probably see 340 at the wheels at 8.5 psi.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I'll probably see 340 at the wheels at 8.5 psi.
Not bad. Ive been starting "when my engine blows" fund. When my engine gives out, im selling the blower and getting a V8, preferably turbo'd. Or the 03 cobra engine, which ever is more economical


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