The Official Wagon/Avant Discussion Thread

Old 01-05-2018, 03:05 PM
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I love that RS4 Avant, too bad they don't offer it here..
Old 01-05-2018, 03:16 PM
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But I'd still have a C63 Estate over it. Again, not available here.
Old 01-06-2018, 08:54 AM
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:25 AM
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2

But I'd still have a C63 Estate over it. Again, not available here.
Yeah, I really like the C63S Estate it's faster and is looks good. But something about an RS4 Avant in Nardo Grey that pulls me in..And while my experience with 4-MATIC in my previous ML's was good it's not quattro, and I get to pocket about $10K.. But seriously I'll take either so feel free to throw one my way..LOL
Old 01-09-2018, 11:37 AM
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Out of my budget either way, but one can dream.
Old 01-10-2018, 11:56 AM
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Please, please, please. Give us a Stinger Wagon.


Old 01-10-2018, 12:55 PM
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Get rid of the ugly chrome strip at the top of the sides.
Old 01-10-2018, 12:59 PM
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But, the taillight strip in the rear qtr panel is gone. One of my only complaints, aesthetically, on the Stinger.
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This concept, known as the KIA "Sportspace", was shown in Geneva in 2015.
Old 01-11-2018, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
Get rid of the ugly chrome strip at the top of the sides.
Buick did that too with the TourX. I don't understand it.
Old 01-12-2018, 08:47 PM
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The love continues ....

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-audi-rs4-avant-first-drive-review


Some of Europe’s most enticing cars don’t ever make it to the United States, and the Audi RS4 Avant is likely to remain one of them. Due to Americans’ aversion toward station wagons, Audi has decided not to send it here, although we get parts of it divided between the mechanically similar RS5 coupeand the four-cylinder A4 Allroad, an A4 Avant that uses a raised suspension and plastic body cladding to cosplay as a crossover.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:07 AM
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Audi hates us some, US regulations on cars hate us more, and stupid American love for the CUV/SUV finishes it off. Oh well we can keep dreaming.
Old 01-14-2018, 09:38 AM
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I want someone to negotiate away the "25 year rule" for imports. I say let people import what they want. An Audi RS4 Avant will not kill more people in the US than it does where it is currently sold. There is no safety issue with it. Just bureaucratic, protectionist BS.

So how about a Nissan Stagea with the RB26 motor? Not everyone's cup of tea.

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Old 01-15-2018, 09:27 AM
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If I wasn't worried about reliability man this would be a tempting upgrade.



Kleeman Stage 3 upgrade increases output to 850 horsepower and 960 lb-ft of torque. It included an ECU flash, new turbos, down pipes, and cat-less exhaust.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...3-amg-wagon-4/
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Good god ... 960 lb-ft of torque?!?
Old 01-15-2018, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
If I wasn't worried about reliability man this would be a tempting upgrade.

Kleeman Stage 3 upgrade increases output to 850 horsepower and 960 lb-ft of torque. It included an ECU flash, new turbos, down pipes, and cat-less exhaust.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...3-amg-wagon-4/
What's to worry about? We had a W212 E350 and it was a tank. Traded that in on the E63 and it too has been bulletproof.

I wouldn't be afraid of the E-class... especially a W212 or newer. And Kleeman is one of the best tuners out there for MB
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:18 AM
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Ahhh man don't tell me all that

You think they are high mileage reliable though the way the V should be? I have put over 17k on it since I got it back from the rebuild in March. Most likely will average 20k miles a year for the next few years. So will push it close to 200k. Something about trying to get a twin turbo Merc to do the same just scares me.
Old 01-15-2018, 10:44 AM
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Saw this yesterday!


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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
Ahhh man don't tell me all that

You think they are high mileage reliable though the way the V should be? I have put over 17k on it since I got it back from the rebuild in March. Most likely will average 20k miles a year for the next few years. So will push it close to 200k. Something about trying to get a twin turbo Merc to do the same just scares me.
I don't see why not. We were pushing 100k on the E350 and that thing never went to the dealer outside of maintenance. It was better than my TLS. And when we did bring it in for regular service it was like arriving at the Waldorf-Astoria

I've never been afraid of the C-Class or E-Class... especially anything since the mid to late 2000s. Tons of high mileage examples running around of both models. If it was an S-Class I'd be a little more leary, but I wouldn't think twice about a C or E. Not sure how they'd related to the Caddy, but personally, I'd take MB quality over Cadillac. I know the CTS-V is not a regular Caddy, but still...
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I think that V is a regular caddy...
I think the build quality is fine...but nothing to write home about.
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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
If I wasn't worried about reliability man this would be a tempting upgrade.



Kleeman Stage 3 upgrade increases output to 850 horsepower and 960 lb-ft of torque. It included an ECU flash, new turbos, down pipes, and cat-less exhaust.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...3-amg-wagon-4/

Do it!
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Will keep an eye on the price over the next few days. It it goes up much more than where it is it will price it out of my range.
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So unreliable. So tempting.

https://jalopnik.com/one-of-you-nut-...ant-1822175651
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I almost bought an S4 Avant with that same V8 but after reading if you hear a tick it's a time bomb and it's $4K if you fix yourself or $8K at Audi, I passed,
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I almost bought an S4 Avant with that same V8 but after reading if you hear a tick it's a time bomb and it's $4K if you fix yourself or $8K at Audi, I passed,
Wise decision. :wink:
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didn't feel like it, the damn thing was gorgeous...
i really wish it had had the 2.7TT but then THAT is just as bad of a mission to work on...
3.0 SC is it...B8 FTW
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You'd just have to fly out the resident ETH FO expert whenever you had any issues. He's an engine pro by now.
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lol...i have no aspirations to become one myself and he's got a busy enough life with his B5 and wife!
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Demuro on his E63 AMG longroof ....


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Yeah they are pretty amazing cars. Still too expensive right now though.
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Not really impressed with the base 911 win, but surprised about the R8. Pretty cool!
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I watched this auction yesterday. Interestingly it struggled to get over $40k, but did so at the last minute. Someone got a pretty good deal...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...c-cts-v-wagon/

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Looks fantastic on those wheels.
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Yeah, it was interesting to watch. If this auction happened in 2019, I would have been very tempted to bid
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It is crazy that it only got to that price since the Manual, Recaro, No sunroof, with only 6k miles just a few days earlier sold $65.5k just a few days early. It was pretty mint though.

Good to know you will be joining me back in a Vagon in a year or so

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