The Official Nissan GT-R Discussion Thread
09-28-2008, 09:38 PM
#81
So pretty much every car from the Big 4 has one. 
Are they event data recorders as in the record the last 15 minutes before the incident, or does it continuously monitor your driving behavior and save it for several days?
Like I said in my original post, I don't have any problems with it being used to resolve accidents. However, I don't want my insurance to increase my rates just because they caught me flooring it or aggressively driving my car, or for the dealer to void my warranty if my car were equipped with GPS, and it discovered that I went to a legal race track.
That would be a hassle, but it sounds like a good idea.
Are they event data recorders as in the record the last 15 minutes before the incident, or does it continuously monitor your driving behavior and save it for several days?Like I said in my original post, I don't have any problems with it being used to resolve accidents. However, I don't want my insurance to increase my rates just because they caught me flooring it or aggressively driving my car, or for the dealer to void my warranty if my car were equipped with GPS, and it discovered that I went to a legal race track.
That would be a hassle, but it sounds like a good idea.
And a complete invasion of privacy. The devices detect alcohol at a level lower than what's legally allowed.
09-29-2008, 07:07 AM
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09-29-2008, 12:46 PM
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The problem/issue here is that the GTR has one that records for several DAYS.
09-29-2008, 05:54 PM
#88
So pretty much every car from the Big 4 has one. Are they event data recorders as in the record the last 15 minutes before the incident, or does it continuously monitor your driving behavior and save it for several days?
Like I said in my original post, I don't have any problems with it being used to resolve accidents. However, I don't want my insurance to increase my rates just because they caught me flooring it or aggressively driving my car, or for the dealer to void my warranty if my car were equipped with GPS, and it discovered that I went to a legal race track.
That would be a hassle, but it sounds like a good idea.
Are they event data recorders as in the record the last 15 minutes before the incident, or does it continuously monitor your driving behavior and save it for several days?Like I said in my original post, I don't have any problems with it being used to resolve accidents. However, I don't want my insurance to increase my rates just because they caught me flooring it or aggressively driving my car, or for the dealer to void my warranty if my car were equipped with GPS, and it discovered that I went to a legal race track.
That would be a hassle, but it sounds like a good idea.
They say that this is the free country but every day you have less and less freedom
09-29-2008, 10:06 PM
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'10 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
Wiki has a link to to all the cars with edr's..wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Data_Recorder
list: http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/cdrlist.pdf
I hate this stuff, as I'm a firm beleiver that it's against our constitutional right to "plead the fifth"... or not incriminate ourselves in a crime... It's being passed as a "safety" issue, so everyone except auto enthusiasts are for it...
You can't fight "Big Brother" (a reference to Orwell's 1984 novel)....
09-29-2008, 10:12 PM
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'10 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
I hope you all realize how corrupt large multi-national corporations are. They are pushing Congress by lobbying for this legislation so that they may use it to save money denying warranty claims.
This is ludicrous our rights are being denied so that large multinational corporations can benefit with increased profits.
This is ludicrous our rights are being denied so that large multinational corporations can benefit with increased profits.
09-29-2008, 10:59 PM
#91
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09-30-2008, 01:48 AM
#92
That's not going to solve anything. What we need to keep our roads safe is a system where you have to provide your car with a urine and blood sample before you can start it that way we can make sure that you haven't smoked weed, taken pills, or just mainlined a big syringe of the china white.
No really, it actually would be a hassle now that I think about it. I didn't know how those Intoxalocks worked in theory, I guess I was being overly optimistic by thinking it would help prevent DUI accidents, but seeing as how it detects alcohol below the legal limit, that would be annoying as hell.
or are you being sarcastic too?
fucking car talk.... I can't tell when its this crowd.
10-07-2008, 02:37 AM
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Those exhaust outlets look HUGE in person.
10-07-2008, 09:56 AM
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10-07-2008, 10:15 AM
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sounds like 
to me.
to me.
10-07-2008, 10:16 AM
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I drive a Subata.
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There are so many GTR threads......
10-07-2008, 10:19 AM
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Ouch. I would fight it. Maybe because it's a new model and that the elite will be driving it, he may be able to get Nissan to work with him. Although, in my past experience Nissan is not GREAT with throwing you a bone.
10-07-2008, 10:35 AM
#101
Punk Rocker
This seems phony to me but if true I have lost all respect for Nissan. You just don't offer a feature in a car that you are unwilling to back up with a warranty. That shouldn't even be legal. If they don't want to warrant the launch control then they shouldn't have offered it on the car. Big thumbs down if this is true. Shame on you Nissan.....
10-07-2008, 11:03 AM
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The GTR has a weak tranny, so they make sure you are running with the VDC on. You take it off and use the LC you void the warranty! This way they can advertise and sell a "supercar" with all it's gadgets, but if you use them it's at your own risk. Most repairs are not covered if misuse is invoved from any car company, Nissan just has everything in place to prove you were 'abusing" (as they say) the car.
With all the new developments since the GTR came out, can't change rims, GPS, blackbox data, don't ever turn off VDC or use LC, called out by Porsche on their Ring time... this may really hurt Nissan's sales and image. It's a cool car, but if you can't touch or change anything about it without screwing something up or worrying about a $20k tranny replacement, all you have is an expensive daily driver.
With all the new developments since the GTR came out, can't change rims, GPS, blackbox data, don't ever turn off VDC or use LC, called out by Porsche on their Ring time... this may really hurt Nissan's sales and image. It's a cool car, but if you can't touch or change anything about it without screwing something up or worrying about a $20k tranny replacement, all you have is an expensive daily driver.
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10-07-2008, 02:02 PM
#107
Drifting
I personally think the warranty issue is a little dumb but I can see where it comes from. Besides you shouldn't be using it on the street anyways, and its just like if you take your car out on the track or drag strip and wreck it, your insurance won't cover it.
I could take my TSX, rev it up to 4500 the fuel cutoff and drop the clutch multiple times. It has the ability to do it, but if I blow up the tranny or clutch I think it would be unreasonable to expect Acura to fix it on warranty, same shit.
I could take my TSX, rev it up to 4500 the fuel cutoff and drop the clutch multiple times. It has the ability to do it, but if I blow up the tranny or clutch I think it would be unreasonable to expect Acura to fix it on warranty, same shit.
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10-07-2008, 02:06 PM
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an asshole from florida
wackness. if this is true that is. and a brand new car that costs 70k shouldnt be going to the shitter that fast even if he was launching.
10-07-2008, 02:08 PM
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This reminds me of the N54 overheating thing right after it came out, but a lot worse if it is true. But like that, I think only time will tell if these stories are even true, or if the problem is as straight-forward as they seem. If Nissan is in fact voiding warranties because VDC is turned off or LC is used, well then they suck.
zguy95135 - I agree, but launch control is a feature of that car. The instance you describe is you forcing the car to launch. Nissan gives you a little button that performs a function, then asks you not to use it. A better analogy would be to say Nissan will void your car if you use the A/C. If LC is going to cause the GTRs tranny to explode they should...you know, not put it on the car.
zguy95135 - I agree, but launch control is a feature of that car. The instance you describe is you forcing the car to launch. Nissan gives you a little button that performs a function, then asks you not to use it. A better analogy would be to say Nissan will void your car if you use the A/C. If LC is going to cause the GTRs tranny to explode they should...you know, not put it on the car.
10-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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Just got through that thread. Even if the OP is lying it seems like a lot of legit owners have some pretty serious gripes about the car. :/ There are 3 registered owners in that thread alone who say they have had tranny issues.
10-07-2008, 02:14 PM
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Anyways, back on topic, seems like this isn't the first time for the GTR, other GTR owners are already experiencing this. Poor guy...
10-07-2008, 02:15 PM
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Drifting
This reminds me of the N54 overheating thing right after it came out, but a lot worse if it is true. But like that, I think only time will tell if these stories are even true, or if the problem is as straight-forward as they seem. If Nissan is in fact voiding warranties because VDC is turned off or LC is used, well then they suck.
zguy95135 - I agree, but launch control is a feature of that car. The instance you describe is you forcing the car to launch. Nissan gives you a little button that performs a function, then asks you not to use it. A better analogy would be to say Nissan will void your car if you use the A/C. If LC is going to cause the GTRs tranny to explode they should...you know, not put it on the car.
zguy95135 - I agree, but launch control is a feature of that car. The instance you describe is you forcing the car to launch. Nissan gives you a little button that performs a function, then asks you not to use it. A better analogy would be to say Nissan will void your car if you use the A/C. If LC is going to cause the GTRs tranny to explode they should...you know, not put it on the car.
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10-07-2008, 02:17 PM
#113
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Why make a car with options like LC and the ability to turn VDC off yet it seems as though its not strong enough to handle it. Also to offer options like that but yet to VOID warranty by using them is complete BS
10-07-2008, 02:20 PM
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I just think denying a warranty based on the owner using a feature which is provided by the manufacturer with no real written or even implied instructions (and was mentioned by Nissan in just about every piece of PR they produced about the GTR) is kind of weak.
10-07-2008, 03:29 PM
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To use LC you need to turn off VCD, correct? But turning off VCD and using LC will void the warranty..
Not like you will use LC to get out of mud or snow... so why have it.
Not like you will use LC to get out of mud or snow... so why have it.
10-07-2008, 03:43 PM
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I believe this story because if you use launch control, your warranty is void. Nissan has great confidence in this vehicle.
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Launch_co...warranty_/2047
Nissan is full of Sh*t!!!!!
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Launch_co...warranty_/2047
Nissan is full of Sh*t!!!!!
10-07-2008, 04:03 PM
#117
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^^^^^OMFG!!!
I've never owned a Nissan, but I can honestly say that wanting to put the GT-R on my list of toys is never going to happen.
I've never owned a Nissan, but I can honestly say that wanting to put the GT-R on my list of toys is never going to happen.
10-07-2008, 04:11 PM
#119
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hmm. if it states it under the warranty, this is the own guys fault. fair is fair.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
