thoiboi

all this time in ramblings I figured good ol taco just had a stock Miata for shits and giggles.



Does it have air conditioning?

TacoBello

Of course it has air conditioning. I can't drive with the top down, or else it'll ruin my hair-do.

rockstar143

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Damn Johnny...where were you...he posted pictures and had a whole set of posts where he was asking our opinion...pretty sure him and Tommy Salami discussed the pros/cons...

super nice car.

TacoBello

It WAS nice... until I came across a certain silver s2000, that's putting down hella more power than my car

thoiboi

Well if you try to keep up with the Joneses you'll never be happy with what you've got!


And this is ironically coming from a Millennial

TacoBello

I've never really tried keeping up with the Joneses. I'm much to frugal to do that

...but I've always wanted an s2k. Except I don't fit.

TylerT

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So THAT'S the key to marriage.

Got it

thoiboi

Only in Canaduh

SamDoe1

I know but wheels are an appearance mod. A SC is has a tangible benefit beyond appearance. My car already has wheels, doesn't have a SC. I was figuring the SC kit being in the $5k-ish range?

Mine isn't...

These are my favorite cars. Total sleepers.

TylerT

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More power to you then!

As J was saying .. If you were apprehensive on getting wheels, prepare to spend at least $8k - $10k for the build.

EDIT: Instead of getting wheels, at LEAST get some summer tires. Ahem, RS3 v2s, Pilot SuperSports, etc.

TacoBello

I like keeping OEM wheels (If they're decent looking, that is). But I also like slapping great tires on them. Then bishes be like "pff, look at dis stock car", while they ride my rear bumper... until the first corner comes up and I'm gone.

Superchargers are pretty resilient little devices. Easy to maintain and only require an oil change like every 50k miles. If anything, I'd source a used one to save a few grand. It's not overly difficult to find one with like 10k miles on it. I'd get new belts, etc, but the SC itself you might as well save on.

rockstar143

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prepare for 10-13K for kit, work, parts and then working out the kinks.

Tangible or not, I can't justify that kinda cash on a mod.

Your car drives fast, yes? Then with a SC it'll drive faster?
Just like your car looks good on wheels? Then it'll look gooder on other wheels, yes?


Just so you know...you're as full of shit as the rest of us!

cu2wagon

TheMuffinMan

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So, I got the Stage 2 SoS kit for ~$8k IIRC during the group buy which did knock off like $1k from the price.

Tuning was $400

And you could have called it done after that. I've done some other stuff like a bracket for my AEM EMS, other pulleys, bigger injectors, etc

rockstar143

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Guess I should have stated for this particular kit...
plus, supporting mods...and upgraded clutch...

rockstar143

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ahhh wtf do I know, it's not even my car.
Chip don't need no spokesman.

Do it Sam. It's cheap!

SamDoe1

$8k-$10k on what specifically? My research has put me in the $5k-$6k range for the kit including a (off the shelf) tune.

I have summer tires already, I run Potenza RE760 tires. I don't drive it year round and put it away as soon as the avg temp goes below 40F so there's no reason to not have summer tires.

Which reminds me I need to order new front tires as the ones on the car now are original from the factory.

Uhh...of course it'll drive faster...in a straight line.

Work I'd do myself, not a daily I can have it off the road for weeks without an issue. Does the kit not include everything needed to boost the car? With how old and popular this mod is, I'd be surprised if it still cost that much to complete this.

I can't justify $10k to mod the S either, I'd rather dump that into a FoRS that I can drive year round...but half that might be a decent sell to my accountant.

TheMuffinMan

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Which kit?

If you're ~350whp you really don't need much except maybe a clutch. I was at 95k miles when I did mine so I swapped in an AP1 flywheel and a SoS Sport Clutch before I even did the supercharger.

Admittedly I don't know how that plays into the 06+ returnless system, just speaking for the 00-05

rockstar143

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I'm not sure, man...
I was speaking out of turn...
I know he also upgraded clutch and ran into a few snags and other things that were needed to go high boost.

I'm just really happy HE'S happy and the car went to a good home.

TheMuffinMan

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Ah, it's all good. I just figured I'd try to see what kit it was. I've seen a few used SoS kits go for the ~$4k-5k range which isn't bad at all.

Example -

TX FS : Science of Speed Stage 2 Supercharger Kit Novi 1200(440whp 3.2 Pulley/520whp 2.8 Pulley) - S2KI Honda S2000 Forums

Admittedly it's not complete, but probably another ~$1500 or so and you'd be golden.

SamDoe1

To be honest, I wouldn't go as high in HP as he did. I think 325-350 is pretty much perfect for the S2000 as going higher makes the chassis a little more interesting at speed as in, it's almost too much power for the chassis as it sits. I think the stock chassis, suspension, brakes, etc would be able to handle a ~100hp boost but going higher than that will bring lots of other issues into play.

My clutch only has 42k on it...should be ok but would replace if needed in the future. Again, not a daily driver.

TylerT

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I think I misinterpreted your power goals.

If you want a build on Chip's level, expect to pay more than an off the shelf kit + off the shelf tune.

If I had the money and I wanted to boost my S2000, I would like supporting mods such as a beefier clutch, bigger injectors, smaller pulley, thorough dyno tuning (custom tune), and meth to circumvent heatsoak & knock.

But hey, I'm far from an expert and this is all hypothetical.

SamDoe1

pulleys are cheap (relatively) and the bigger injectors come with the kit. I don't know enough to comment on the meth injection.

TylerT

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Depends on whether if you buy new or old, but $400 seems to be the going rate for an AEM kit.

And depending on your clutch, $1500 seems reasonable for a turbo build.

TacoBello

So buy a $500 beater. Put $250 into it so that you can drive it (more...safely). Take s2k out of commission (install SC, etc). Sell beater 3 months later for $1000. Attempt to pry the shit eating grin off your face as you hoon away.

Nah, I kid. To be honest, I think the s2000 is perfect with the amount of power it has. Of course, everyone always wants MOAR POWER (understandably so), but it's definitely not necessary by any stretch for the s2k.

TacoBello

I'm only putting down 263hp at the wheels (SC 2.0L), but my stock clutch has been more than adequate. I even have a brand new, higher capacity, spare clutch sitting in my garage that the previous owner never installed. It's the one thing that hasn't been modded in the car. As long as you're not launching the car, you should be ok, even at 325hp. The stock clutch has about 107,000km on it now, 45,000km of which it has been supercharged.

Once you start bagging on the car and launching it and stuff, that's when I'd replace the clutch. It's just not my driving style though. I like to corner like a motherfucker, but being first to the next set of lights isn't really my thing, lol.

TylerT

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I'm content with the power I have now, money could be better spent doing a bushing overhaul, maintenance and fixing some cosmetic issues.

SamDoe is in a much better position to boost that I am.

rockstar143

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but boost isn't oem

doesn't increase value on the car either, most people HAVE to part out to see any of that money back and now they have a previously boosted stock motor.

The Machine

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Without going back an quoting everyone since I'm on my phone...thanks for all the compliments.

I'm using the Kraftwerks Kit. I bought mine through a group buy also with an 85mm pulley (more boost) and the larger c38-91 blower (more power). The kit normally comes with 90mm pulley (stock ap2 size) and c38-81 blower. This kit out of the box came with EVERYTHING needed to boost the car. 4 bar map sensor, inter cooler, injectors, pulleys, fuel pump, bypass valve, AEM V2 engine management etc. Also with the standard kit, 90mm pulley and 81 blower, you WILL be in the 400HP + range. My kit with upgrades and GB pricing was $5,100. Ok not bad right? Well if you don't do the install yourself add $800-1,000. Then you need an upgraded clutch. Your stock one will not handle this power for very long. So I bought the AEM Streelite Flywheel, oem clutch disc, pilot and release bearings. So that was probably another $500-600 there. Then unless you can install the clutch yourself add around $800. I also did a BOV setup with mine to prevent any compressor surge by using the bypass valve, so $250 for that, plus welding the charge pipe coming from IC. That was included in my install price though. I also bought the AEM data stream gauge (19 gauges in one). I think that was like $200. Then installing that cost money. Then you need tuning. There is no off the shelf tune that comes with this. A tuner will need to send you an E-tune or hopefully the shop you use has a tuner there. My shop was close friends with my tuner so he came there to put a base map in it so I could drive it to the dyno. My tune cost me $550 because he also had to setup the gauge readings to work with the engine management.

So as you guys can see it is quite the expense to go boosted unless you can do basically everything yourself. The 5k for the kit itself isn't really that bad you think to yourself, but you are going to spend another 5k or more upgrading parts, paying for installs and paying for tuning. It will help if your clutch has already been done at some point well before boosting because that's one less expense up front, but I had to do everything all at one time so things added up quickly.

Damn that was a lot to type on my phone. Bitches better be thanking this post! Lmao

TheMuffinMan

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It's not too far off from an off the shelf kit...

I have off the shelf SoS Stage 2 (1200 blower) and am sitting at 350/220 at wheels. It's an AEM EMS2 so I did have to get it professionally tuned.

I *could* have bought the kit from SoS with ID1000's and a 3.2" pulley (I should have honestly) and you'll easily be in the 400whp range. Right around Chip's power levels.

No meth needed.

My new setup should be (hopefully) ~450whp/260tq based on some other users I've seen.

The Machine

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Things that have added to the cost. I broke one belt already, so $144 to have a new one installed. I also had to buy a new fuel pump and wiring kit for it because the grams fuel pump sucked and kept getting hot causing my fuse to blow in the kick panel. So the new pump, wiring kit, and install probably ran about $350 total. I'm trying to think if there were any other things, but those 2 were off the top of my head.

TheMuffinMan

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Chip - did you do the install yourself? I did that (got it done in ~4 hours with a buddy and a lift) and it saved me tons of $$$

The Machine

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Nah, I had a shop do it. It looked simple enough in theory, but Kraftwerks has outdated directions that shows the bracket from their old kit, so I left it to the professionals. I also did the BOV route so I had to have the charge pipe cut and BOV welded to that. Also my instake had to be custom made because he did the BOV first and the intake the kit came with, the filter wouldn't fit because it landed right where the BOV was mounted.

rockstar143

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fuck it...I thanked it because bros.

SamDoe1

Fine then. The one time I want to mod and you guys all tell me to keep it stock.

OEM it is brothers.

rockstar143

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lmao!!!

RPhilMan1

Just go FoRS for boost, Sam.

Treat the S2000 more like an investment and keep it OEMish.

CLtotheTL32

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I'm going to start a GoFundMe page so I can buy car parts.

Who's going to donate?

thoiboi

Only if your provide nudes

SamDoe1

That's the plan. I'm going to have the UK mod done to the exhaust, replace some of the lights with LED's, and call it good.

The deal I made with the wife is that if we (I) cut back enough to pay off her student loans this year, we can get the FoRS next year when prices go down.

Now to hope that she honors that agreement...

You also looking for a S2k for $5k or less?