View Poll Results: 911 or nsx
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next play car: 911 or nsx
11-16-2008, 03:26 PM
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There has always been an interest in air cooled Porsche's after the 996 came out. 
And there is no way a 996 holds value more then an NSX. I'll have to pull some stats later, but 996's are a dime a dozen compared to the NSX. One buddies experience does not define the overall resale value of a 996.
And there is no way a 996 holds value more then an NSX. I'll have to pull some stats later, but 996's are a dime a dozen compared to the NSX. One buddies experience does not define the overall resale value of a 996.In the end I was unable to vote in this poll. It's a tough decision that I think would come down to the actual cars you are looking at.
11-17-2008, 03:12 AM
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I think both are overpriced but I'd prefer the NSX, especially if its a targa. I don't know what the weather's like in your area but cruising around in a roofless NSX is just awesome. I'm a Porsche-phile, infected by my few friends that do have Porsches or have relatives with Porsches, and I like the 996 but like its been said, if it was between the 993 and 997, no doubt I'd go with either of them over an NSX. But since its the 996, the NSX is the easy choice. The NSX is very livable as a daily driver and I've been the sole "oh-shit handle holder" in a few of them.
The backseat in the 996 will be useless unless you have kids that are born with no limbs. Hell, every Porsche I've seen is way too small to fit a baby seat in the back.
The backseat in the 996 will be useless unless you have kids that are born with no limbs. Hell, every Porsche I've seen is way too small to fit a baby seat in the back.
11-17-2008, 09:29 AM
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The 911's iconic stature killed the 928, a much superior car. If those brilliant engineers had been allowed to continue development of the 928 then Porsche would have uncontested superiority over decades.
As it is, their best and latest 911 still shows it inherent weakness at the limits, thereby ceding to Ferrari, Chevrolet! and now perhaps even Nissan!!!.
As it is, their best and latest 911 still shows it inherent weakness at the limits, thereby ceding to Ferrari, Chevrolet! and now perhaps even Nissan!!!.
I may post this response to Rennlist today, to give all the guys a good laugh with their morning coffee. So fishy hates all BMW's...and now Porsches too I see. Anyway, to the OP: 996's have vastly improved ergonomics over the 993's, although a somewhat cheaper looking interior. 996's are definitely maintenence intensive, budget $2000 a year or so for that stuff. The engine issues with the '99-'01 cars are leaking rear main seals and leaking intermediate shaft seals. Without going into all the gritty details, a number of cars had their engines replaced or the seals updated by Porsche. Be sure one or the other has been done on any potential car you buy or you're rolling the dice. The 2002 and up 3.6L cars largely have that problem solved. Past that, its mostly the bitsy things that break....but that doesn't mean they're inexpensive to fix. These are complicated cars, and potential buyers must be prepared for that upon purchase.
All that in mind, they are absolutely terrific cars to drive, both the 3.4s and 3.6's.
993's have their plusses and minuses, but they are NOT trouble free; many '96 - '98 examples have suffered clogs in their secondary air-injection ports. This is part of the emission control system, and will throw a CEL that cannot be cleared.....until you do a top end teardown and clear the ports out. 1995 models were unaffected with this. There are some procedures out there to clear the ports without an engine teardown, but their success rate varies. Why the big deal over a CEL? You can't get it smogged until the CEL is cleared.....
NSX is clearly known for performance, reliability, and exclusivity. So, it depends if you can deal with the above mentioned Porsche scenario of high operating costs. If so, then you really should drive both. They're very different. If the Porsche thing seems like too much of a commitment, then drop it from your list.
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11-17-2008, 11:53 AM
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The only 996 I would consider is the GT3, and that is well above the 35k mark. I've had some seat time in an early model 996 Carrera; wasn't too impressed. Interior was bland and cramped. The ergonomics was just off. The only thing exotic about it was the left-side starting. Didn't sound too bad either. If you want a true Porsche experience, stick to the air-cooled models and the current GT3 models. For me the NSX is a CLEAR winner with that price standpoint. You cannot beat the exotic nature of that car. I remember my ride in one about 8 years ago and will never forget it. All aluminum build (say bye to rust), lightweight, F1 derived engineering, high-revs paired with one of the best manual transmissions ever, mid-engine layout, and reliability. There aren't too many cars in that price-range like it. Some say the car is under-powered, but that's not what the car is all about......it's about the all-around experience. If power is what you are after, look at neither. Just my opinion.
11-17-2008, 12:09 PM
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996's are a bit of a deal for what you get, they did not depreciate that well mostly because of the headlights. The "fried egg" as many non 996-911 owners call them never were a big hit. The interiors were a little cheap in comparison to the 997 and lack the quaintness of the 993's and back. That said it's still a 911 and does everything a 911 is supposed to do and you can get a pretty exceptional deal due to the lack of popularity of the headlights.
If you do go the 996-911 route I would highly recommend looking for one with the sport exhaust system. The basic exhaust on the 996 didn't sound very "Porsche like". The guys who called the headlights fried eggs said the exhaust sounded like a sewing machine.
11-17-2008, 12:42 PM
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Awesome, i was looking for a response like this along with all the others.
I have been looking at rennlist and nsxprime to get a good idea of the problems. I love the 911 but the engine problem might be too much.
I guess the best thing to do is test drive both and see where each stands.
with the nsx i know what to expect, a 300,000 mile exotic; the 911 always puts that grin on my face when i think about it............
I may post this response to Rennlist today, to give all the guys a good laugh with their morning coffee. So fishy hates all BMW's...and now Porsches too I see.
Anyway, to the OP: 996's have vastly improved ergonomics over the 993's, although a somewhat cheaper looking interior. 996's are definitely maintenence intensive, budget $2000 a year or so for that stuff. The engine issues with the '99-'01 cars are leaking rear main seals and leaking intermediate shaft seals. Without going into all the gritty details, a number of cars had their engines replaced or the seals updated by Porsche. Be sure one or the other has been done on any potential car you buy or you're rolling the dice. The 2002 and up 3.6L cars largely have that problem solved. Past that, its mostly the bitsy things that break....but that doesn't mean they're inexpensive to fix. These are complicated cars, and potential buyers must be prepared for that upon purchase.
All that in mind, they are absolutely terrific cars to drive, both the 3.4s and 3.6's.
993's have their plusses and minuses, but they are NOT trouble free; many '96 - '98 examples have suffered clogs in their secondary air-injection ports. This is part of the emission control system, and will throw a CEL that cannot be cleared.....until you do a top end teardown and clear the ports out. 1995 models were unaffected with this. There are some procedures out there to clear the ports without an engine teardown, but their success rate varies. Why the big deal over a CEL? You can't get it smogged until the CEL is cleared.....
NSX is clearly known for performance, reliability, and exclusivity. So, it depends if you can deal with the above mentioned Porsche scenario of high operating costs. If so, then you really should drive both. They're very different. If the Porsche thing seems like too much of a commitment, then drop it from your list.
-Mirror
I have been looking at rennlist and nsxprime to get a good idea of the problems. I love the 911 but the engine problem might be too much.
I guess the best thing to do is test drive both and see where each stands.
with the nsx i know what to expect, a 300,000 mile exotic; the 911 always puts that grin on my face when i think about it............
I may post this response to Rennlist today, to give all the guys a good laugh with their morning coffee. So fishy hates all BMW's...and now Porsches too I see. Anyway, to the OP: 996's have vastly improved ergonomics over the 993's, although a somewhat cheaper looking interior. 996's are definitely maintenence intensive, budget $2000 a year or so for that stuff. The engine issues with the '99-'01 cars are leaking rear main seals and leaking intermediate shaft seals. Without going into all the gritty details, a number of cars had their engines replaced or the seals updated by Porsche. Be sure one or the other has been done on any potential car you buy or you're rolling the dice. The 2002 and up 3.6L cars largely have that problem solved. Past that, its mostly the bitsy things that break....but that doesn't mean they're inexpensive to fix. These are complicated cars, and potential buyers must be prepared for that upon purchase.
All that in mind, they are absolutely terrific cars to drive, both the 3.4s and 3.6's.
993's have their plusses and minuses, but they are NOT trouble free; many '96 - '98 examples have suffered clogs in their secondary air-injection ports. This is part of the emission control system, and will throw a CEL that cannot be cleared.....until you do a top end teardown and clear the ports out. 1995 models were unaffected with this. There are some procedures out there to clear the ports without an engine teardown, but their success rate varies. Why the big deal over a CEL? You can't get it smogged until the CEL is cleared.....
NSX is clearly known for performance, reliability, and exclusivity. So, it depends if you can deal with the above mentioned Porsche scenario of high operating costs. If so, then you really should drive both. They're very different. If the Porsche thing seems like too much of a commitment, then drop it from your list.
-Mirror
11-17-2008, 04:33 PM
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Here's some more:Where do you get that I hate all BMW's and Porsches? I think the BMW 3 series is a brain dead design but the V8 5 series are the best in class if price is no issue.
As for Porsche, its only the 911 that I think is a lead brick, ummm make that a lead bar "suspension tech"
, crippling Porsche engineering. I understand the iconic nature of the 911, and its shared heritage with the VW Beetle. But the 911/Beetle's air cooled, rear engine, rear wheel drive platform is a legacy econobox design. The 928/944/Cayman and the NSX are pure sports designs.In any event, if the 911's mechanical upkeep/issues is a concern for a potential owner, then the 911 is not the car for them. The 928/944/Cayman/NSX are meant to be driven. The air cooled 911's are meant to be possessed. The water cooled 911's are meant to be sold.
11-17-2008, 05:55 PM
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Feel free Here's some more:
As for Porsche, its only the 911 that I think is a lead brick, ummm make that a lead bar "suspension tech", crippling Porsche engineering. I understand the iconic nature of the 911, and its shared heritage with the VW Beetle. But the 911/Beetle's air cooled, rear engine, rear wheel drive platform is a legacy econobox design.
The air cooled 911's are meant to be possessed. The water cooled 911's are meant to be sold.
Here's some more:As for Porsche, its only the 911 that I think is a lead brick, ummm make that a lead bar "suspension tech"
, crippling Porsche engineering. I understand the iconic nature of the 911, and its shared heritage with the VW Beetle. But the 911/Beetle's air cooled, rear engine, rear wheel drive platform is a legacy econobox design. The air cooled 911's are meant to be possessed. The water cooled 911's are meant to be sold.
Hmmm. If you can connect the dots between Porsche's success in both retail sales and 40 years of racing the 911 to the notion that its "crippling" their engineering department, its all you. I'll leave ya to it. 
Best,
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11-17-2008, 06:57 PM
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Feel free Here's some more:
Where do you get that I hate all BMW's and Porsches? I think the BMW 3 series is a brain dead design but the V8 5 series are the best in class if price is no issue.
As for Porsche, its only the 911 that I think is a lead brick, ummm make that a lead bar "suspension tech", crippling Porsche engineering. I understand the iconic nature of the 911, and its shared heritage with the VW Beetle. But the 911/Beetle's air cooled, rear engine, rear wheel drive platform is a legacy econobox design. The 928/944/Cayman and the NSX are pure sports designs.
In any event, if the 911's mechanical upkeep/issues is a concern for a potential owner, then the 911 is not the car for them. The 928/944/Cayman/NSX are meant to be driven. The air cooled 911's are meant to be possessed. The water cooled 911's are meant to be sold.
Here's some more:Where do you get that I hate all BMW's and Porsches? I think the BMW 3 series is a brain dead design but the V8 5 series are the best in class if price is no issue.
As for Porsche, its only the 911 that I think is a lead brick, ummm make that a lead bar "suspension tech"
, crippling Porsche engineering. I understand the iconic nature of the 911, and its shared heritage with the VW Beetle. But the 911/Beetle's air cooled, rear engine, rear wheel drive platform is a legacy econobox design. The 928/944/Cayman and the NSX are pure sports designs.In any event, if the 911's mechanical upkeep/issues is a concern for a potential owner, then the 911 is not the car for them. The 928/944/Cayman/NSX are meant to be driven. The air cooled 911's are meant to be possessed. The water cooled 911's are meant to be sold.
11-17-2008, 07:00 PM
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11-17-2008, 09:01 PM
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People just won't accept a Porsche without a rear flat engine driving the rear tires. Yes, they buy and race the 911 and not the other models. Without demand for their other models, the engineers cannot be payed to develop them to greater potential.
Look at all their other models: 944, 928, Boxter, Cayenne, Caymen. None of them are RR. Its not me telling ya that the 911 sucks, its the Porsche engineering department!
The Caymen may be the latest to suffer the death touch of the walking dead 911. It's on the cusp of beating the 911 and offers greater development potential. Will that happen? No, Porsche marketing will never allow that.
The only hope for Porsche's engineering department is a flea flicker trick play with the Cayenne, which is about as popular as the 911 in the states. With the fuel crisis as an excuse, "cross-over" the Cayenne from SUV to an AWD estate car, i.e. "station wagon" like the Volvo V70R and keep that crazy turbo V8. There, a station wagon will not steal sales from 911 right?
11-17-2008, 09:11 PM
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Only been a member for a month and yet I can't finish reading Fishy's posts.... yikes
11-18-2008, 12:14 AM
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11-18-2008, 11:56 AM
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Yeah, even I can't believe I write that stuff 
You guys should stop listening to me and start listening to Walter Rohl. He prefers the Cayman's mid engine layout and overall characteristics.
In any given year, Porsche will always cripple the Caymen so it never beats the 911. But, Walter lapped the Ring in a 2005 Cayman S in 8:11 and only 8:15 in a 2004 997.
So a 911 with +30HP couldn't beat a crippled Cayman. Now that's pretty sad in my books.
You guys should stop listening to me and start listening to Walter Rohl. He prefers the Cayman's mid engine layout and overall characteristics.
In any given year, Porsche will always cripple the Caymen so it never beats the 911. But, Walter lapped the Ring in a 2005 Cayman S in 8:11 and only 8:15 in a 2004 997.
So a 911 with +30HP couldn't beat a crippled Cayman. Now that's pretty sad in my books.
11-18-2008, 03:35 PM
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A yellow '03 wih 34k miles just went on sale for 50k. Great condition and owner is legit. Funny, I offered him around 52-53k a few months ago. He would not bite because he wanted around 57-58k IIRC!
11-23-2008, 03:45 PM
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i have been looking at a couple 99's with around 50k for around 20-25. I may buy one in the late spring. I hope to find one that someone is trying to get rid of b/c of a kid/ economy.
I have lowered my budget so the nsx is more expensive than i want to spend right now. If i find the right car i may spend more $$.
The portuguese in me became a little bit cheaper, greenie knows what i mean..... we tend to be cheap sometimes
I have lowered my budget so the nsx is more expensive than i want to spend right now. If i find the right car i may spend more $$.
The portuguese in me became a little bit cheaper, greenie knows what i mean..... we tend to be cheap sometimes
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11-23-2008, 04:23 PM
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If you're looking for a reliable and fast car, why not try an S2k?
11-23-2008, 04:54 PM
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11-26-2008, 02:02 PM
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Okay, its like when I said I didn't like the 911, everyone thought I didn't like Porsche. For many people, Porsche = 911. That in a nutshell is the problem crippling their engineering.
People just won't accept a Porsche without a rear flat engine driving the rear tires. Yes, they buy and race the 911 and not the other models. Without demand for their other models, the engineers cannot be payed to develop them to greater potential.
Look at all their other models: 944, 928, Boxter, Cayenne, Caymen. None of them are RR. Its not me telling ya that the 911 sucks, its the Porsche engineering department!
The Caymen may be the latest to suffer the death touch of the walking dead 911. It's on the cusp of beating the 911 and offers greater development potential. Will that happen? No, Porsche marketing will never allow that.
The only hope for Porsche's engineering department is a flea flicker trick play with the Cayenne, which is about as popular as the 911 in the states. With the fuel crisis as an excuse, "cross-over" the Cayenne from SUV to an AWD estate car, i.e. "station wagon" like the Volvo V70R and keep that crazy turbo V8. There, a station wagon will not steal sales from 911 right?
People just won't accept a Porsche without a rear flat engine driving the rear tires. Yes, they buy and race the 911 and not the other models. Without demand for their other models, the engineers cannot be payed to develop them to greater potential.
Look at all their other models: 944, 928, Boxter, Cayenne, Caymen. None of them are RR. Its not me telling ya that the 911 sucks, its the Porsche engineering department!
The Caymen may be the latest to suffer the death touch of the walking dead 911. It's on the cusp of beating the 911 and offers greater development potential. Will that happen? No, Porsche marketing will never allow that.
The only hope for Porsche's engineering department is a flea flicker trick play with the Cayenne, which is about as popular as the 911 in the states. With the fuel crisis as an excuse, "cross-over" the Cayenne from SUV to an AWD estate car, i.e. "station wagon" like the Volvo V70R and keep that crazy turbo V8. There, a station wagon will not steal sales from 911 right?
The Cayenne is Porsche's cash cow. Their profit margin is enormous on this vehicle. It helps fund development of their other cars.
01-09-2010, 07:08 PM
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What did you end up getting?
Personally I would have gone after the NSX, but that's just me.
Personally I would have gone after the NSX, but that's just me.
01-09-2010, 11:05 PM
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Good for you man. And congrats on the Boxster!
