MT: Ford Mustang GT vs the BMW M3
#125
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
Its a big day for Ford when we are just nitpicking about a $25k interior.
I already said the stang is a bargain sports car. Only aspect im arguing about is in terms of some thinking it can be called luxury. Thats silly.
Last edited by Crazy Bimmer; 08-27-2010 at 12:37 PM.
#126
Mods, this guy trying to resurrect an old old issue and trying to get my goat.
Phee, if you are after me I will give you my address and phone number. Lets us continue this personal thing..
#130
My first Avatar....
#132
#133
That was uncalled for...
If you would stop posting in this thread there'd be no reason to lock it
#137
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Wow. That went sour quickly.
So yeah, I'd love the have the mustang...or the M3, or the IS-F for that matter...but 66% of them are what I consider out of my pricerange. Because I can't afford them??!,, nope, just because it's not worth the extra money to me. If I'm paying 900 a month...my car better have a 2 car garage and front door attached to it.
Of course, everyone's idea of expensive is relative. So the cost factor is pointless...and let's not forget it was M/T that decided to pair these 2 up...not us.
So yeah, I'd love the have the mustang...or the M3, or the IS-F for that matter...but 66% of them are what I consider out of my pricerange. Because I can't afford them??!,, nope, just because it's not worth the extra money to me. If I'm paying 900 a month...my car better have a 2 car garage and front door attached to it.
Of course, everyone's idea of expensive is relative. So the cost factor is pointless...and let's not forget it was M/T that decided to pair these 2 up...not us.
#138
My first Avatar....
When is the M3 due to be redesigned/updated?
#139
Punk Rocker
#140
Senior Moderator
#141
Burning Brakes
I was refering to just about all the poeple who have nicer and more expensive cars than a Mustang, who (IMO) are not giving the Mustang its dues.
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
#142
Three Wheelin'
I was refering to just about all the poeple who have nicer and more expensive cars than a Mustang, who (IMO) are not giving the Mustang its dues.
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
#144
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
I was refering to just about all the poeple who have nicer and more expensive cars than a Mustang, who (IMO) are not giving the Mustang its dues.
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
And i think you giving the interior of the stang TOO much credit. Its not as good as your TSX interior. Have you even sat in a new stang?! Just touching the materials you would know right away its not close to the TSX.
Those options you listed arent very luxury anymore, they can be found in most cars under $30k.. prius, jetta, fusion, etc...
Ah well to each their own. Im happy Ford did well with the stang but some here think its the holy grail of automotive history.
I also been a long time Camaro fan so maybe thats why i cant get mysef to LOVE the stang.
#145
אני עומד עם ישראל
I think the engine is just extremely impressive. There's a lot of buzz around the 5.0 and for the price it's hard to beat.
#147
Suzuka Master
Ford knows the Mustang won't steal M3 sales. The market is entirely different. What the Mustang might do in my humble opinion is to make people question what they're really looking for in a car. The fact alone that a Ford Mustang is being mentionned in the same breath as an M3 is a home run.
#148
Punk Rocker
Ford knows the Mustang won't steal M3 sales. The market is entirely different. What the Mustang might do in my humble opinion is to make people question what they're really looking for in a car. The fact alone that a Ford Mustang is being mentionned in the same breath as an M3 is a home run.
#149
That was uncalled for...
And i think you giving the interior of the stang TOO much credit. Its not as good as your TSX interior. Have you even sat in a new stang?! Just touching the materials you would know right away its not close to the TSX.
Those options you listed arent very luxury anymore, they can be found in most cars under $30k.. prius, jetta, fusion, etc...
Ah well to each their own. Im happy Ford did well with the stang but some here think its the holy grail of automotive history.
I also been a long time Camaro fan so maybe thats why i cant get mysef to LOVE the stang.
Those options you listed arent very luxury anymore, they can be found in most cars under $30k.. prius, jetta, fusion, etc...
Ah well to each their own. Im happy Ford did well with the stang but some here think its the holy grail of automotive history.
I also been a long time Camaro fan so maybe thats why i cant get mysef to LOVE the stang.
Everything that your hands are in constant contact with (steering wheel, e-brake lever, door handles) all have a very solid feeling that I really appreciated when I took my first test drive. The steering wheel alone made a great first impression...
Last edited by S A CHO; 08-28-2010 at 10:52 PM.
#150
I was refering to just about all the poeple who have nicer and more expensive cars than a Mustang, who (IMO) are not giving the Mustang its dues.
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
I think the new stangs interior fit/finish is just as good as my TSX and I dont care if my car cost more, I still give credit where its due.
I also do believe the Mustang has features that make it more "luxurious" than ever before:
-“Pull-Drift Compensation” (which automatically adjusts the steering during crosswinds and on high crowned roads to pull the car back into line)
-“Active Nibble Control” (helps eliminate the shimmy when a wheel is slightly out of balance)
-Ford’s MyKey system which allows the vehicle owner to program the ignition key to limit top vehicle speed and audio volume, prevent traction control deactivation, and program speed-limit chimes.
-“Easy Fuel Fill” capless filler
-Sync with Handsfree bluetooth
-Color adjustable gauges
-HID headlights
-Rear View camera
-Auto climate control etc etc
Only a Lexus IS-F is better value than a Mustang GT
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Secondly, Its my opinion that the mustang interior SUCKS. As SACHO said, everybody has an opinion and THIS is mine. And am sure he did not buy his car for the interior but for the fun and NOT the luxury that it brings ( but he can say otherwise). I would think having an opinion will not get me banned
Thirdly, your remark that my IS-F has better value than a mustang, really is a stupid remark which I think you are in person as well. If you want this argument to continue in person, just tell me and I more than willing to accede.
Fourthly to the mods, despite the repeated personal attacks against me, I remained calm and even said in jest that I was not cute in person. Most of my posts ( except for 2 posts which I regret ) in this thread were all observations and opinion which I reckon is allowed in a forum like this.
I think this is a great forum but I feel I do not belong here anymore because of owning a car moderately expensive than others, which is sad.
#151
אני עומד עם ישראל
^ I feel everybody is welcome to this forum as most of us don't even own Acuras anymore.
You don't think you came off as being mildly arrogant? I know you enjoy your car and the F is extremely fun to drive as one of my best friends has one. He also owns an RDX and an RSX-S.
We're all enthusiasts and I respect the Mustang for the leaps and bounds it has made. I hope you can at least agree the Mustang offers a tremendous value and the fact it is mentioned in the same sentence as cars that cost as much as your F is deserving of a lot of credit to Ford.
They turned out a winner.
You don't think you came off as being mildly arrogant? I know you enjoy your car and the F is extremely fun to drive as one of my best friends has one. He also owns an RDX and an RSX-S.
We're all enthusiasts and I respect the Mustang for the leaps and bounds it has made. I hope you can at least agree the Mustang offers a tremendous value and the fact it is mentioned in the same sentence as cars that cost as much as your F is deserving of a lot of credit to Ford.
They turned out a winner.
#152
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
S A CHO I agree with your post. I had no issues with the areas you mentioned. Only thing i can add is that i didnt like the arm rest area. That part felt flimsy and my arm kept opening up the compartment thats there. Once again just nit picking.
#153
^ I feel everybody is welcome to this forum as most of us don't even own Acuras anymore.
You don't think you came off as being mildly arrogant? I know you enjoy your car and the F is extremely fun to drive as one of my best friends has one. He also owns an RDX and an RSX-S.
We're all enthusiasts and I respect the Mustang for the leaps and bounds it has made. I hope you can at least agree the Mustang offers a tremendous value and the fact it is mentioned in the same sentence as cars that cost as much as your F is deserving of a lot of credit to Ford.
They turned out a winner.
You don't think you came off as being mildly arrogant? I know you enjoy your car and the F is extremely fun to drive as one of my best friends has one. He also owns an RDX and an RSX-S.
We're all enthusiasts and I respect the Mustang for the leaps and bounds it has made. I hope you can at least agree the Mustang offers a tremendous value and the fact it is mentioned in the same sentence as cars that cost as much as your F is deserving of a lot of credit to Ford.
They turned out a winner.
#154
אני עומד עם ישראל
I actually apologized for being snobbish and I even acknowledged the value of the mustang. I even said that " as much as I wanted to love the mustang" which was actually indicative of my excitement prior to renting it because of the positive press announcing the" audi-like interior". But I was disappointed because of over expectations. It IS a success because of the perfomance and NOT because of the interior. And that is my opinion which I hope will BE RESPECTED.
#155
Thank you for understanding my point and yes the packaging will give Camaro engineers sleepless nights :-)
Last edited by cuteguy1414; 08-28-2010 at 11:40 PM.
#156
And there are many more here who own vehicles much more expensive than yours that don't seem to have a problem.
Terry
Last edited by teranfon; 08-29-2010 at 12:10 AM.
#157
Ford knows the Mustang won't steal M3 sales. The market is entirely different. What the Mustang might do in my humble opinion is to make people question what they're really looking for in a car. The fact alone that a Ford Mustang is being mentionned in the same breath as an M3 is a home run.
Well said.
Each vehicle has a specific demographic. I highly doubt someone shopping for one will consider the other as an alternative. Ford knows this. BMW knows this. What Ford is doing is showcasing it's technology and it's willingness to adapt to a changing marketplace. The ponycar of yesteryear is much different than the ponycar of today. Ford is developing particular products, often with a global flavour, to demonstrate it's potential development and marketing of future vehicles. More so than the other two American manufactures, Ford realizes that as an automaker it needs to meet the demands of an ever evolving marketplace.
Would I buy a 5.0? Absolutely. And I probably will. Would I buy a M3? Nope. Because it doesn't appeal to me. But in no way does that mean it's an inferior product. It's an outstanding car. The Mustang simply offers me more of what I like. No one can dispute, however, that there isn't currently a Ford that can't run with one of BMW's best. And it's this that I'll think of when Ford develops other products of a performance nature.
Terry
#158
^
I know for sure that this forums has many members who are well off. I hope you would understand that that is how I felt being attacked firstly, regarding my name and then the car I drive which had no connection to this thread.
And this will be my last post in Acurazine ( I know good riddance ) as I elicited a negative response from a Mega moderator. Ciao..
I know for sure that this forums has many members who are well off. I hope you would understand that that is how I felt being attacked firstly, regarding my name and then the car I drive which had no connection to this thread.
And this will be my last post in Acurazine ( I know good riddance ) as I elicited a negative response from a Mega moderator. Ciao..
#159
^
I know for sure that this forums has many members who are well off. I hope you would understand that that is how I felt being attacked firstly, regarding my name and then the car I drive which had no connection to this thread.
And this will be my last post in Acurazine ( I know good riddance ) as I elicited a negative response from a Mega moderator. Ciao..
I know for sure that this forums has many members who are well off. I hope you would understand that that is how I felt being attacked firstly, regarding my name and then the car I drive which had no connection to this thread.
And this will be my last post in Acurazine ( I know good riddance ) as I elicited a negative response from a Mega moderator. Ciao..
And my comments to you were not made as a moderator. My comments were made to you as a registered member who disagrees that the price of one's car (whatever that price may have been) represents either a right or wrong opinion or a level of resentment. Everyone here is an enthusiast, and the vast majority agree that we are all equal.
Terry
Last edited by teranfon; 08-29-2010 at 12:43 AM.
#160
Suzuka Master
What Ford is doing is showcasing it's technology and it's willingness to adapt to a changing marketplace. The ponycar of yesteryear is much different than the ponycar of today. Ford is developing particular products, often with a global flavour, to demonstrate it's potential development and marketing of future vehicles.
Terry
Terry
What needs to be commanded and emphasized on once again is the shocking value the new Mustang is offering; I don't think there is any other brand out there offering 412 hp under 35k out there.
This reminds me of the dilemma I had when I was comparing the M3 and the Z06 a little while back when I was shopping. I had 4 BMWs before and was naturally biased. Just like the Ford, the Chevy had a lesser interior and badge but cost roughly the same(give or take) but it offered superior performance so I ended up with that.
I'm glad that the Mustang is being compared to the M3. It's a subtle way of telling BMW, you make a great car but don't sit just yet because we are catching up very quickly...at least performance wise.
All this to say is that car companies are aware now that the public prioritizes value more and more as time goes; in this war of horsepower and competition, it is among the very rare occasions where the consumer comes out a winner either way.