The Jetta has been living a double life
10-24-2018, 04:02 PM
#161
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
I step on the gas and I really stop caring quickly. The toll roads around here are 75 (as high as 80 or 85 in some places). I get surprisingly great fuel economy at 70 mph.
10-24-2018, 04:03 PM
#162
Moderator
2.0L motor off boost is pretty economical. 
I get 33-35 just cruising on the highway. If you really hoon it, you'll be in the teens pretty easily.
The drive modes on the Golf are pretty discernible.
Eco: Car is totally neutered. Shifts before 3.5k rpm, lazy throttle response, 90's era gear changes, no juice.
Comfort: Little more power but still lazy throttle and the suspension is at old Caddy levels with less wafting. Gear changes are pretty lazy still.
Normal: What I typically use, good power, still comfortable, normal throttle, quick but not rapid gear changes
Race: Razor sharp throttle, DSG will slam gears in with the awesome DSG farts, suspension is noticeably stiffer, exhaust louder, etc.
Individual: Whatever combination of the above you want.
I get 33-35 just cruising on the highway. If you really hoon it, you'll be in the teens pretty easily.
The drive modes on the Golf are pretty discernible.
Eco: Car is totally neutered. Shifts before 3.5k rpm, lazy throttle response, 90's era gear changes, no juice.
Comfort: Little more power but still lazy throttle and the suspension is at old Caddy levels with less wafting. Gear changes are pretty lazy still.
Normal: What I typically use, good power, still comfortable, normal throttle, quick but not rapid gear changes
Race: Razor sharp throttle, DSG will slam gears in with the awesome DSG farts, suspension is noticeably stiffer, exhaust louder, etc.
Individual: Whatever combination of the above you want.
ECO: Really sluggish throttle response & early shifting
Comfort: Default. Decent for DD duty
Sport: Heavier steering, better throttle response
Sport+: Same as sport with sharper throttle response & exhaust burp on upshift. Doesn't go over 5th gear on the highway.
Individual: Combinations of the above, but not the exhaust burps (Sport+ only).
10-24-2018, 04:29 PM
#163
Team Owner
High speed limits and limited traffic. Highest I ever got was 30 mpg in the 3.0T. Cruising gets really good mileage. I have a lot of lights on the way to work so I usually hang out around 18-22 mph. My lifetime average is creeping up now that it's not 1000 degrees out but it's still right around 22 mpg.
I step on the gas and I really stop caring quickly. The toll roads around here are 75 (as high as 80 or 85 in some places). I get surprisingly great fuel economy at 70 mph.
I step on the gas and I really stop caring quickly. The toll roads around here are 75 (as high as 80 or 85 in some places). I get surprisingly great fuel economy at 70 mph.
The moment i get off the freeway, it goes back to teens
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kurtatx (10-24-2018)
10-24-2018, 06:24 PM
#164
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
Or, you can put it in what I call "mega cuck view" with the giant S dial
Last edited by kurtatx; 10-24-2018 at 06:35 PM.
10-24-2018, 07:53 PM
#165
Team Owner
That's just the S Virtual Cuckpit. You activate mega cuck view by folding down the driver's visor and flipping up the mirror cover.
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10-25-2018, 05:44 AM
#166
GEEZER
10-25-2018, 07:32 AM
#167
CTSV,TL, Audi Q7 & A5SB
High speed limits and limited traffic. Highest I ever got was 30 mpg in the 3.0T. Cruising gets really good mileage. I have a lot of lights on the way to work so I usually hang out around 18-22 mph. My lifetime average is creeping up now that it's not 1000 degrees out but it's still right around 22 mpg.
I step on the gas and I really stop caring quickly. The toll roads around here are 75 (as high as 80 or 85 in some places). I get surprisingly great fuel economy at 70 mph.
I step on the gas and I really stop caring quickly. The toll roads around here are 75 (as high as 80 or 85 in some places). I get surprisingly great fuel economy at 70 mph.
Now granted, we all know that the trip computer isn't the most accurate way to calculate MPG's. But even if it's off, and I only got 27 or 28 MPG's how could I complain. This is a 5,000lbs suv with 2 adults and the cargo area packed..
10-25-2018, 08:33 AM
#168
Yeah the MPG's you can get is incredible when the conditions are right. I took a trip over the summer and on the way back I was able to drive for close to 3 hours with little to no traffic and here was my MPG.. I had my wife take the pic because even I couldn't believe it. And you're right as soon as I hit traffic and more city driving the MPG's dropped to 18 to 20..
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10-25-2018, 12:38 PM
#171
Team Owner
I think it all depends on the gearing... doesnt Corvette get something like 30mpg? due to its ridiculous long cuck.. i mean overdrive?
10-25-2018, 12:40 PM
#172
Team Owner
Hey its got a boost gauge, i wish i had that. mine only shows HP and Torque #s.
My Full digital gauge in comfort model, which i used 90% of the time looks exactly the same as the Analog one..
so yah that is BMW for you.
10-25-2018, 12:40 PM
#173
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
10-25-2018, 12:44 PM
#174
Team Owner
1.5k rpm at 80mph.... that is how.
Mine is at 2k at 80mph...
considering how it was at 4.5rpm in my s2k before.
Dont you have the same ZF8 as me? so yours should be around the same.
Mine is at 2k at 80mph...
considering how it was at 4.5rpm in my s2k before. Dont you have the same ZF8 as me? so yours should be around the same.
10-25-2018, 12:55 PM
#175
Team Owner
My A4 is 1750k at around 85.
And that is a small 4... half the detonations per revolution and less than half the displacement of the Vette. Still has plenty of giddy up for me at that speed.
And that is a small 4... half the detonations per revolution and less than half the displacement of the Vette. Still has plenty of giddy up for me at that speed.
10-25-2018, 12:58 PM
#176
Turd Polisher
iTrader: (1)
I'm living in the stone age.
80mph = 3200RPM .... 16mpg
- 23mpg when lightly tuned.
10-25-2018, 02:36 PM
#177
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
10-25-2018, 04:43 PM
#178
Team Owner
10-25-2018, 04:46 PM
#179
Team Owner
No he's not. He's in Sport+ mode all the time to make the transmission bearable
10-25-2018, 05:00 PM
#180
Turd Polisher
iTrader: (1)
10-25-2018, 05:24 PM
#181
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
FFS. Saintor just needs to go out and buy his (his words) "krautmobile" and bail on this board.
10-25-2018, 05:37 PM
#182
Team Owner
He keeps on saying he is going to get the G20 3 series... i begged him not to. cuz he is the opposite of what BMW drivers are known for. We are known for many things.... But Saving fuel or MPG is not one of them.
10-25-2018, 05:38 PM
#183
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
It's all fun and games until he calls people names. 
10-25-2018, 05:40 PM
#184
Team Owner
That is weak sauce... name calling over the internet is weak shit.
10-25-2018, 05:50 PM
#185
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
Getting the dings out of my car next week. There were some when I bought it. Looking forward to it a little.
10-25-2018, 06:02 PM
#186
Team Owner
How many door dings do you have? it is only 1 year old right?
10-25-2018, 06:43 PM
#187
Banned
Or.
Possibly A6 2019. Maybe you can spot me in this video? (I was at this Audi event recently).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INY7..._CD_EventRecap
10-25-2018, 07:15 PM
#188
Team Owner
Yes... the entire forum full of members is a bit slow. But not Saintor.
Yes, that’s it.
Yes, that’s it.
10-25-2018, 07:19 PM
#189
Team Owner
I put a nasty ding In my Nismo driver side door, a while back. I was working on the TL, next to the Nismo, in the garage, during the winter. Went to pull the jack out from under the TL... and the jack handle came out and I swung it full force into the door. Fuuuuuu. Thank god the car cover was on. Needless to say it was a nasty dent, but my PDR guy got it out completely. It was gut wrenching watching him work the metal. But he made it perfect again, without any sign left behind.
Those PDR guys have skills. I would never attempt to do that on my own, even if I had all the tools.
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10-25-2018, 08:11 PM
#190
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
10-25-2018, 08:52 PM
#191
Safety Car
I am no engine expert.. but for what it's worth here is what i googled 
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...r-car-s-engine
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...r-car-s-engine
This could be the perfect question for someone like Engineered Explained to tackle.
10-26-2018, 10:08 AM
#193
Ex-OEM King
Interesting read. While to the avg laymen (like me and most other drivers and car culture consumers) it seems to make superficial sense (50,000 cycles vs 500,000?!), but I wonder if we are a bit arrogant to assume we know better than the thousands of engineers/minds who worked at all the various major OEMs to develop and put in place this system Presumably they've done the testing and the engineering/design so that it should last for a reasonable life of the motor?
This could be the perfect question for someone like Engineered Explained to tackle.
This could be the perfect question for someone like Engineered Explained to tackle.
There's a ton of testing around this and while the issue of oil on bearings dripping off and causing wear is present, it still takes time to happen. Most cars don't actively pump oil through rod bearings, it splashes around and gets into those spots. When it does that it stays there until it drips off (which could take hours) so the start stop cars just have a timer to kick the engine back on to circulate oil. Either that or they have an electric oil pump that will splash the oil around to prevent issues. Also, modern oil is quite good at retaining a film over time. It's not like they just tossed in a better starter and crossed their fingers, there was a LOT of work that went into it.
I'm not at all worried about start/stop systems causing excess wear and leave it enabled all the time.
More reading:
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...damage-engine/
https://autoweek.com/article/technol...oweek-explains
https://autoexpert.com.au/posts/the-...-start-systems <- this one is a funny read
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nist7 (10-26-2018)
10-26-2018, 10:56 AM
#194
Team Owner
Interesting read. While to the avg laymen (like me and most other drivers and car culture consumers) it seems to make superficial sense (50,000 cycles vs 500,000?!), but I wonder if we are a bit arrogant to assume we know better than the thousands of engineers/minds who worked at all the various major OEMs to develop and put in place this system Presumably they've done the testing and the engineering/design so that it should last for a reasonable life of the motor?
This could be the perfect question for someone like Engineered Explained to tackle.
This could be the perfect question for someone like Engineered Explained to tackle.
But from Business point of view, why was this feature invented in the first place? I think it is safe to say that it is for EPA regulation compliance.
So Manuf.'s priority and intention were to be in compliance, at least on paper. Do you really think that the manuf. cares about how much gas you save per tank if they don't have to meet certain EPA requirements?
Let's say just say a component with 50,000 cycles would last 20 years... 500,000 cycles would last 10 years. We would never know because by that time, you would assume it is time to change it anyway due to normal wear and tear. Once a car is that old... there should not be any surprises when some things break down. Also within these 10 years, a lot of things like driving habit, gas, oil could affect the reliability of these components. That is why i said it would be difficult to relate any repairs back to this down the road.
Someone would really have to prove it to me that 50,000 cycles vs 500,000 cycles will have no effect on long term reliability, because it is just hard to believe. But as far as real world difference 10 or 15 years later, it is almost impossible to prove.
I just picked up an X3 loaner last night... interestingly the Auto Start/stop is on by default so every time i turn off the car, it comes back on
My 3 and 4 series remembers the last setting.With my 15 miles commute each way, the engine was turn off at least 20 times due to train, lights and traffic on the freeway. and that is 40 times a day round trip without going anywhere else.
Roughly, 150,000 times in 10 years. vs. less than 10,000 times under the same circumstances but without auto/start.
So only time will tell. But personally if i bought a car and intend to keep it for a LONG time, i would not take that risks for 1-2 mpg.. if even that.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 10-26-2018 at 11:02 AM.
10-26-2018, 02:38 PM
#195
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
Since i am no engine expert, i cannot answer that with concrete evidence one way or the other.
But from Business point of view, why was this feature invented in the first place? I think it is safe to say that it is for EPA regulation compliance.
So Manuf.'s priority and intention were to be in compliance, at least on paper. Do you really think that the manuf. cares about how much gas you save per tank if they don't have to meet certain EPA requirements?
Let's say just say a component with 50,000 cycles would last 20 years... 500,000 cycles would last 10 years. We would never know because by that time, you would assume it is time to change it anyway due to normal wear and tear. Once a car is that old... there should not be any surprises when some things break down. Also within these 10 years, a lot of things like driving habit, gas, oil could affect the reliability of these components. That is why i said it would be difficult to relate any repairs back to this down the road.
Someone would really have to prove it to me that 50,000 cycles vs 500,000 cycles will have no effect on long term reliability, because it is just hard to believe. But as far as real world difference 10 or 15 years later, it is almost impossible to prove.
I just picked up an X3 loaner last night... interestingly the Auto Start/stop is on by default so every time i turn off the car, it comes back on My 3 and 4 series remembers the last setting.
With my 15 miles commute each way, the engine was turn off at least 20 times due to train, lights and traffic on the freeway. and that is 40 times a day round trip without going anywhere else.
Roughly, 150,000 times in 10 years. vs. less than 10,000 times under the same circumstances but without auto/start.
So only time will tell. But personally if i bought a car and intend to keep it for a LONG time, i would not take that risks for 1-2 mpg.. if even that.
But from Business point of view, why was this feature invented in the first place? I think it is safe to say that it is for EPA regulation compliance.
So Manuf.'s priority and intention were to be in compliance, at least on paper. Do you really think that the manuf. cares about how much gas you save per tank if they don't have to meet certain EPA requirements?
Let's say just say a component with 50,000 cycles would last 20 years... 500,000 cycles would last 10 years. We would never know because by that time, you would assume it is time to change it anyway due to normal wear and tear. Once a car is that old... there should not be any surprises when some things break down. Also within these 10 years, a lot of things like driving habit, gas, oil could affect the reliability of these components. That is why i said it would be difficult to relate any repairs back to this down the road.
Someone would really have to prove it to me that 50,000 cycles vs 500,000 cycles will have no effect on long term reliability, because it is just hard to believe. But as far as real world difference 10 or 15 years later, it is almost impossible to prove.
I just picked up an X3 loaner last night... interestingly the Auto Start/stop is on by default so every time i turn off the car, it comes back on
My 3 and 4 series remembers the last setting.With my 15 miles commute each way, the engine was turn off at least 20 times due to train, lights and traffic on the freeway. and that is 40 times a day round trip without going anywhere else.
Roughly, 150,000 times in 10 years. vs. less than 10,000 times under the same circumstances but without auto/start.
So only time will tell. But personally if i bought a car and intend to keep it for a LONG time, i would not take that risks for 1-2 mpg.. if even that.
10-26-2018, 03:14 PM
#196
Ex-OEM King
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10-26-2018, 03:20 PM
#198
Azine Jabroni
Thread Starter
I may have mentioned previously...
but nobody listens to a rockstar. Especially a dumb one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7524u5w4ZE&t=143s
but nobody listens to a rockstar. Especially a dumb one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7524u5w4ZE&t=143s
10-26-2018, 03:31 PM
#199
Safety Car
One interesting thought experiment with regards to your 1-2mpg comment, we can think of it as how much money that additional 1-2mpg may save over a very long time.
200k mi at 20mpg: 10000 gallons
200k mi at 21mpg: 9524 gallons - savings of 476 gallons ($1351 @ avg $2.84/gal)
200k mi at 22mpg: 9090 gallons - savings of 910 gallons ($2584 @ avg $2.84/gal)
Of course this would only be feasible if someone were to keep their car for a very long time and they'll have to calculate whether turning that feature off is worth the cost.
10-26-2018, 04:15 PM
#200
Team Owner