If you purchase a car that was involved in an accident...
07-06-2005, 11:51 PM
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When you buy a used car, Always get a Carfax report from the DEALER before you sign any papers, There is no way i'd take any dealers word for it..... I'd say you have very little to go on, its always worth a try to call the dealer or better yet pay them a visit, see what they have to say.
07-07-2005, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
... and the dealership doesn't inform you, is there any legal action you can take?
Michele's car is at an Acura dealership today for front end suspension repair and the service manager called to tell me that the car was obviously involved in a front end collision and the repair work was sub-par. Possible frame damage/repair.
She purchased the car (used) in Sept '04 from one of those used car super dealers (not Carmax)... Maybe Car Nation or something like that.
Michele's car is at an Acura dealership today for front end suspension repair and the service manager called to tell me that the car was obviously involved in a front end collision and the repair work was sub-par. Possible frame damage/repair.
She purchased the car (used) in Sept '04 from one of those used car super dealers (not Carmax)... Maybe Car Nation or something like that.
07-07-2005, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Throtex
^^ you may be hurting the cause. You could be right, but you could be wrong.
Just because you purchased the vehicle "as is" doesn't necessarily absolve the dealership of telling you that the car was in an accident. Without knowing the circumstances, you may ask the dealer something like "Is there anything wrong with this car that I should know about?" and if the dealer says no, that could be a representation that could stand in court even though you agreed to purchase "as is".
It's at the very least worth a good talkin' to with the dealer, and perhaps a threat of legal action failing that. Always give them a chance to remedy the situation, first. Legal action should never be a first recourse -- you never truly win.
Just because you purchased the vehicle "as is" doesn't necessarily absolve the dealership of telling you that the car was in an accident. Without knowing the circumstances, you may ask the dealer something like "Is there anything wrong with this car that I should know about?" and if the dealer says no, that could be a representation that could stand in court even though you agreed to purchase "as is".
It's at the very least worth a good talkin' to with the dealer, and perhaps a threat of legal action failing that. Always give them a chance to remedy the situation, first. Legal action should never be a first recourse -- you never truly win.
The only exception to this is with the odometer. If that was tampered with by the selling dealer, then that is illegal.
07-07-2005, 08:25 AM
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What F900 said pay the dealer a visit and professionally discuss the situation with them. Tell them you would like another car or some monetary satisfaction. With the carfax report and her contract they may just take the loss instead of bad publicity. Word of mouth is key for dealerships bad publicity can ruin them.
07-07-2005, 08:36 AM
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If the dealer is close by, it may not hurt to swing by and explain things to them. Unfortunately, I don't think they will do much. If it will cost you $340 to get the repairs done, just pay the cash and get it over with. Sometimes you just have to take the hit. Either way....this sucks.
07-07-2005, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
You would have to prove the dealer knowingly sold the car to decieve the buyer.
07-07-2005, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
If the dealer is close by, it may not hurt to swing by and explain things to them. Unfortunately, I don't think they will do much. If it will cost you $340 to get the repairs done, just pay the cash and get it over with. Sometimes you just have to take the hit. Either way....this sucks.
It's not the $340. Shit $340 is nothing. It's what happens when she wants to trade in/sell this car in a year or so. The value of the car is MUCH less than what she paid due to this damage. The price she paid was based on a car with out a defect.
The "As Is" box wasn't checked, she didn't sign anything to do with an "as is" agreement.
Additionally, she had them repair something within the first thirty days she had the car. It was front end suspension related (the car had a shake to it on the highway; not tire related). If they did front end suspension repairs to her car (under warranty) they HAD to have known about the prior accident damage. It is as clear as day once you get under the car and look at it. Any mechanic would have noticed it.
07-07-2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
You don't know. That why these types of cases are hard to bring to court. You have to prove it.
07-07-2005, 11:33 AM
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I totally forgot about this until just a few minutes ago. They did front end suspension repair work to the car shortly after she purchased it. It would be impoosible for them to miss the collision damage/repair!
07-07-2005, 02:46 PM
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Hope everything works out. Someone I know was going to buy a car from carvision. Carvision claims they are a mom and pop shop making minimal profits. I guess they are full of it.
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it good 
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07-07-2005, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
^ No joke, that thought has crossed my mind for getting rid of my old CL-S. It is worth so much more dead than alive.
07-07-2005, 04:03 PM
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Car fax came up with 2 accidents both occuring in New York, where the previous owner was from. Since the reports involved a cop, there is proof that I was not the one ot have a collision.
I am still livid and miserable. Mostly at myself more then anything.
I am still livid and miserable. Mostly at myself more then anything.
07-07-2005, 04:34 PM
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Just got an email response from them. I need to call tomorrow and talk with the dealer who sold it to help iron out problems.
07-07-2005, 04:50 PM
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when i bought my cl in VA they showed me a carfax report and a 'no name' carfax report.
they told me it was required that a vehicle report had to be shown to me and made me sign a paper saying i saw it. the 'no name' was provided and i told them i wanted a carfax one too before i signed anything.
they told me it was required that a vehicle report had to be shown to me and made me sign a paper saying i saw it. the 'no name' was provided and i told them i wanted a carfax one too before i signed anything.
07-07-2005, 06:56 PM
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As I mentioned, the burden of proof in small claim court is way less. All you gotta do is look good and play the victim. If you feel you're now going to lose [$1,000] on the future trade-in, haul them in. Easy. Forget about "as is", means nothing when there is a lie/deception or coverup (fraud). What do you have to lose? Court costs $25?
07-07-2005, 07:03 PM
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Find out how the dealer bought the car, if the car was traded into the dealer, more then likey they had it inspected and pulled a carfax on it. If that is the case then you have a good chance of winning due to them no disclosing the damage.
But at the same the the purchaser has some responsibly, after all they did know they where buying a used car, and knowing that, most people know either to have a Inspection done by whom ever they choose or pull a carfax report. I'm sure at that time they would of not had a problem with either. After all who buys a used car without getting some kind of history on it.
I mean after all when can you trust a car dealer especially with a buying a used car.
Hopefully you can come to some agreeable terms, but at the same time i would not expect you to get everything you want done.
But at the same the the purchaser has some responsibly, after all they did know they where buying a used car, and knowing that, most people know either to have a Inspection done by whom ever they choose or pull a carfax report. I'm sure at that time they would of not had a problem with either. After all who buys a used car without getting some kind of history on it.
I mean after all when can you trust a car dealer especially with a buying a used car.
Hopefully you can come to some agreeable terms, but at the same time i would not expect you to get everything you want done.
07-07-2005, 07:40 PM
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The car must pass a Pennsylvania State inspection prior to being sold. I'm sure the car dealership is an authorized inspection station so they most likely did their own inspection on the car. If they let the car pass inspection with that damage then not only were they dishonest with the sale but the credibility of their State inspections is questionable.
07-07-2005, 07:45 PM
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So after I buy the car a week or two later the ride is a bit shitty. I check the tires and sure enough one of the tires has a bubble on it. So I call them and they say to bring it out and they will replace the tire. I'm curious to take the tire off and look at it some more, so I go to take it off and realize there is a wheel lock on all 4. Search the car, and nothing to get it off.
So I call them and ask if they have it, and after long time on hold am told that they "lost it." So I had to basically tear the locks off with some tools.
But this brings to mind, its not a huge dealer. They have a good number of cars, but its not massive, they couldnt find one single wheel lock for it? Then the idea of their inspection comes up. Now say the lost the wheel lock, how would they have been able to do the inspection in the first place? There probably never was a wheel lock and they probably never did an inspection.
So I call them and ask if they have it, and after long time on hold am told that they "lost it." So I had to basically tear the locks off with some tools.
But this brings to mind, its not a huge dealer. They have a good number of cars, but its not massive, they couldnt find one single wheel lock for it? Then the idea of their inspection comes up. Now say the lost the wheel lock, how would they have been able to do the inspection in the first place? There probably never was a wheel lock and they probably never did an inspection.
07-07-2005, 07:55 PM
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07-07-2005, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
They are shady... after you call them tomorrow morning if the result of the conversation isn't favorable we'll go up there this weekend.
07-09-2005, 12:01 AM
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Yeah so I talked to the Acura dealer today. He said its so blatantly obvious to anyone who looked around the car that it had been in an accident. Fenders had been removed and repainted, radiator hardware was loose and missing, overspray, new windshield, hood had been taken off, etc.
The reason for my radius rod being broken was because IT WAS INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN!!!
The reason for my radius rod being broken was because IT WAS INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN!!!
07-11-2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Better than 0. You still have to address the value of the car.
