AcuraGT-3

Hit the nail in the head. The QX is a giant POS, the car is a quality nightmare. WHy the HELL would i buy an unreliable Japanese car? Might as well get the Escalade. The QX is built in MISSISSIPPI!!! The GX in JAPAN, nuff said.

The QX has had issues galore, rattles, bad brakes etc. The GX was a 2 time 4x4 of the year!! THe QX is BRAND NEW and finishes behind the Navigator, LX 470 and RR in Motor Trend.

The interior is horrible for the price as the creaks and fit and finish.But its big and has a very good engiine.

AcuraGT-3

When you compare the NEW cars how about comparing the NEW LX interior



Every auto magazine RAVES over the LX interior.

SPUDMTN

Thanks for backin me up with more pictures Just what I was looking for. Where'd you get all of those interior shots? I did a google search and could only find one or two good shots.

Heck, I felt that our '99 LX470's interior was just as nice as the new Range Rover (in terms of feel). The competition can make some very attractive cabins, but Lexus' quality is unbeatable.

cob3683

Reliability? Agree.
Quality? There are others that I consider to be better.

AcuraGT-3

Who on earth has better quality? lol

All it takes is sitting in a QX56 for 1 minute and closing the door and doing the same in the LX. Its NIGHT and DAY difference. Maybe for those that have no idea, go to a local auto show and sit in both. The QX feels like a Kia, its ridiculous.

Google and the Lexus site.

cob3683

I agree 100% with the Lexus vs. QX statement.

I just don't agree with Lexus quality is unbeatable statement.

F23A4

...particularly when a number of higher end domestics are actually starting to catch up.

F23A4, who thinks there's some confusion between perceived quality and actual quality.

zeroday

well, i own a 2004 4runner which is what the gx is based on and I haven't had a single problem. not a squeek/rattle/thunk. i've never owned a vehicle that hasn't had at least one problem by now (13k miles). it just feels solid. i cant say this for the 350z it replaced. i can tell this truck is going to last far longer than i'm willing to drive it...

SPUDMTN

Ahhh, screw it. I'm done arguing about this. It is now blatantly obvious that it is all a matter of taste. I'll just state it like this: given my experience with this particular vehicle, I believe that the LX has the best overall quality out there. That's me. For me, it's the shear silkiness of the vehicle that has me sold. From the rich, buttery leather that drapes the seats, door panels, and steering wheel, to the incredibly smooth and solid ride, to the subdued growl of the 4.7 liter engine, to the solid "thud" of the doors. For me, these are the qualities that put it above the rest. Many would agree with me. But many would also disagree. That's alright. I'm glad not everyone drives an LX470. I absolutely love the look of Range Rovers and Touaregs...they're beautiful vehicles and definitely worthy of lusting after. But FOR ME, I think the LX is the best package.

I'm all for conversing back and forth and having a good "debate" with thorough explanations, but I feel that discussing "perceived quality" will just run us around in circles. It's simply a matter of opinion, for perceived quality, more or less, is just a matter of how good the materials feel to a specific person. It's not a science. It's an art.

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But to get back on topic, go with the Lexus. They build an incredibly smooth SUV...or is it LUV (Luxury Utility Vehicle)?

DownUnder

The QX is reliable. The 2004 models have had a couple of issues like the infamous brake warping, but you make it sound like it falls apart or something. The 2005 models have been trouble free and I know some with a '05 QX and hasn’t problems with it.

And the GX also has had issues like steering vibration problems, driveline drone, rattles coming from the sunroof, clunking sounds coming from the drive shafts etc. And the GX already had two minor recalls while the QX has none.

zeroday

recalls are a GOOD thing...some manufacturers wont issue a recall unless the NHTSA steps in and makes them.


JD Power survey for both vehicles (note that the lexus recieved an award):

zeroday

from epinions.com:

50% of the reviews were negative here for the QX:
http://www.epinions.com/2004_Infinit...splay_~reviews
http://www.epinions.com/pr-Cars-2005...splay_~reviews

Only one bad review here for the GX (a dubious one at that):
http://www.epinions.com/auto_Make-20...splay_~reviews
http://www.epinions.com/auto_Make-20...splay_~reviews

zeroday

only a few reviews here, but you can still see a trend here:

QX scored an 83 on Autoweb; most vehicles scored 88:
http://www.autoweb.com/content/resea...Action/Reviews

GX scored 100 so far:
http://www.autoweb.com/content/resea...Action/Reviews

F23A4

I wonder which one would be better in hauling the Bayliner 285 I'm considering to purchase.

zeroday

have bayliners improved? i remember a long time ago they didnt have much of a rep...thin fiberglass hulls or something...

F23A4

....kinda like Hyundai huh??

zeroday

so it has? it was a serious question; not trying to rain on your parade or anything just figured you'd done some research etc.

mclarenf3387

Not really, they are better then they were, but they are still not up to par with others like Sea Ray or even Rinker has come up the ranks.

And I wouldn't buy new F23A4, you will lose too much money. Buy a 1-2 year old boat, and keep it in great shape, and it will hardly drop in value.



If you hav questions though about boat purchasing and stuff, PM me. My family has bought a few over the years

Oh, and you would need a deisel pickup to tow that. THere is more to the weight than just the dry weight.

AcuraGT-3

Exactly. Go to Autoweek or the Nissan forums, the QX is just horrible in quality. Hell, EVERY Nissan product out that new Canton plant is horrendous, that is why they sent a team of engineers from Japan to try to help.

There is no way I'm paying for a shoddy built, American made Japanese car with a luxury badge. I will just by a Navigator or Escalade.

The QX is kind of the new "it" SUV, ANY large SUV sells no matter how good or bad it is (except dumbass Isuzu). You can get them for 5k easy off list and if you look, resale is horrendous already.
I credit Nissan for giving INfiniti another SUV, since that is WHAT people want but they should have gotten it RIGHT, like with th eG35 or even M35/45.

F23A4

True. Then again my 02 Maxima is not up to par with the 02 Accords & Camrys but, I havent had any major problems with it yet. But the B285 is just one we're looking at. (Zero: It's kinda like focusing on the Altima with some ancillary looks at the Accord and Camry. )

We're looking 3-4 years out, so we're looking now for later. Also, I'm not planning to haul it regularly rather very sporadically.

F23A4

Forbes on the QX56

Forbes on the GX470

zeroday

that article is on th 03' gx. the 05 gx has a new 270hp v8 engine.

F23A4

...still doesnt come close the the VK56DE when it comes to output but, I posted those links as a reference to other attributes of both.

zeroday

it does when you put it in a vehicle that is over 500lbs lighter.

cob3683

That avatar is hilarious

F23A4

I'm talking towing capacity NOT, 0-60 or 1/4 mile times --> These are full size SUVs. 8900lbs (QX) vs 6500lbs (GX)*. That add'l 2400lbs should be good for a bag or two more groceriesJUST thinking aloud though. I'm guessing engines may have a little something to do with that though.


* Courtesy of Edmunds

zeroday

oh yeah forgot, you're the boat guy

F23A4

....just call me Popeye!!!

DownUnder

The Lexus should have a higher rating since it's on it's third year in production which they've worked out most of the first and second year "all new car bugs". And I take those ratings as a grain of salt cause supposedly the '98 LX470 is rated high by them, but mine hasn't been exactly great.


Those QX ratings each only have two reviews so that's not a good representation on the overall QX's out there. And people that have problems have a tendency to voice there negative experience then people with good experiences especially on those sites.

F23A4

VERY good point. Just browsing through the 3G TL forum substantiates your point.

BC2G

FX45 all the way buddy!!!!!!!

rezurex

thanks for the input guys... i test drove the X5 today, was fairly impressed but goddamn the price just doesnt seem justifiable.

i will go back to the lexus dealer on monday and go for another test drive... if i can get a good deal i might as well sign then...

25k down too much? maybe i should put like 15 down and save some cash just in case some shit happens right.... i hate car payments like hell

hopefully i can get my godamn suv before i leave for asia. thanks for your input guys

-rez

zeroday

Seems like the gx owners voiced their satisfaction to jdpower though huh?

well since you won't take statistical proof into account, and won't provide proof of your own to support your assertions that QX customers are as happy as gx owners then i really don't see what the point of continuing this interaction is. I think it's obvious to everyone which vehicle will be more reliable now so I'm done here.

mio

love both of GX and QX,

I will go QX, coz QX is new and fashionable.

GX is cool, but it is too old, it really needs to be re-designed...

Jaydef03

I CANT BELIEVE THIS THREAD IS 5 PAGES.

ever consider the new Hemi Jeep Grand Cherokee? just a suggestion. but the quality falls wayyy short of a Lex. i was just bringing it up so you could consider the speed of the Hemi.

DownUnder

Also the SRT-8 Grand Cherokee is another SUV I'd consider, 0-60 in under 5s and be able to haul stuff at the same time.

Beltfed

The new WK GC is much better than the previous model, in every way. The 05 GC's to date have not had "that" many issues.

No, its not a $55k Lexus.......but it a great rig for the $.

For 06, you have the return of the Overland with the 5.7L standard and Nav (available around Sept) or wait until the SRT-8 arrives (around Feb). Remains to be seen if the SRT-8 sells for over MSRP.