GT-R just got 7 min and 29 sec at the RING!!! Not the V-Spec!

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Old 05-01-2008, 08:39 AM
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GT-R just got 7 min and 29 sec at the RING!!! Not the V-Spec!

This was annouced today!



http://www.nissaneurope-newsbureau.c...95056384513968

- GT-R among the fastest ever production road cars at the ‘Ring’ -

(CASCAIS, Portugal, 1st May 2008) - Nissan today announced that its GT-R supercar achieved a lap time at the infamous Nurburgring in Germany of seven minutes and 29 seconds. Recorded on April 16 and 17, the GT-R used was a base specification car and fitted with the standard Japanese market tires. Driven by GT-R chief test driver Tochio Suzuki, this latest lap time beats the previous fastest time for the GT-R by nine seconds.



The previous best lap time for GT-R of 7:38, also driven by Suzuki, was one of the fastest laps achieved by a production car despite conditions being slightly damp on two corners.



“At last year’s testing, we were frustrated by the conditions at the Nurburgring, always believing that the GT-R could go under seven minutes 30 seconds.” said Kazutoshi Mizuno, Chief Vehicle Engineer for GT-R. “Below seven minutes 30 seconds, the GT-R proves it is among the fastest mass-production cars in the world. We set out to build a multi-performance supercar accessible to anyone, anytime and anywhere - I believe the GT-R has delivered that promise.”



Deliveries of the all-new GT-R began in Japan in December 2007. Sales in the US and Canada start in July and extend to Europe and other markets over the next 12 months.
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Awesome
For reference here's official and unoffical lap times at the 'ring'. Look under misc. times for the GT-R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
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V-Spec with some mods like upgraded turbos gonna fucking fly.
I think V-Spec might break the 7 minute lap with a good driver and fresh good tires. which is insane on "the ring"
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Someone has to say it...he probably fell asleep for 5 minutes out of the 7:29 time...probably got bored being the GT-R's no fun to drive and all.
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Someone has to say it...he probably fell asleep for 5 minutes out of the 7:29 time...probably got bored being the GT-R's no fun to drive and all.

You ever gonna give that up?
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I would if people would stop making new "GT-R blah blah blah" threads!
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Originally Posted by Doctorsound
Awesome
For reference here's official and unoffical lap times at the 'ring'. Look under misc. times for the GT-R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
Interesting info. Thanks.

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wow...just wow...nothing is going to touch this car unless you strap a rocket to its trunk.
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wow...just wow...nothing is going to touch this car unless you strap a rocket to its trunk.
i don't know i think a Vette ZR-1 might. keyword might.
but both the V-Spec GT-R and ZR-1 Vette are very bad ass cars.
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Corvette ZR-1:
7:40, its in the link to the wikedpedia page above.
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Was it ever determined if that 7:38 was a flying lap or standing start? And I guess the same question applies to this new time and the times from the other top cars listed?

<-- Huge fan of the GT-R. Not trying to bring it down.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Someone has to say it...he probably fell asleep for 5 minutes out of the 7:29 time...probably got bored being the GT-R's no fun to drive and all.
Yes, because lapping the ring in under 7:30 isn't enough to keep you awake
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schaweeet. this car gets cooler everyday.
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Originally Posted by rondog
Corvette ZR-1:
7:40, its in the link to the wikedpedia page above.
Was done preproduction in the wet, it will get better. How much ????
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/corvette...-lap-time.html


Corvette engineers say ZR1 will best Nissan GT-R's Nürburgring lap time

Nissan just announced that its mighty GT-R just lapped the Nürburgring in 7 minutes 29 seconds, but the boys over at Chevrolet aren't about to hand over the production-car track record. Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter says that a production version of the ZR1 will be able to beat the GT-R's impressive mark.

Up until now, only pre-production ZR1s have been lapping the Nürburgring. But with Chevrolet's 638 horsepower, 205 mph sports car now ready for production, Corvette engineers feel that the supercar from Detroit will have no trouble eclipsing the GT-R's time.

Juechter even told Edmunds that the ZR1 should be able to lap the track in "seven minutes, twenty-something seconds."

But even if the 'Vette can best 7 minutes 29 seconds, it still has to contend with the higher-performance GT-R V-Spec.
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Gm knows how to make it handle.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Gm knows how to make it handle.
Make sure to take the leaf springs out.
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Was it ever determined if that 7:38 was a flying lap or standing start? And I guess the same question applies to this new time and the times from the other top cars listed?

<-- Huge fan of the GT-R. Not trying to bring it down.
I think most times on the Nurburgring are taken with a rolling start. The GT-R 7:38 time was with a rolling start, and so were several other cars I've seen. GM has done it with a start from a standstill or so I've read, though I can't recall which car it was... never saw a vid yet of a Z06 on the whole Ring

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Make sure to take the leaf springs out.
You can laugh all you want, but it works.
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But even if the 'Vette can best 7 minutes 29 seconds, it still has to contend with the higher-performance GT-R V-Spec.
GM engineers will have their work cut out for them.
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I would be shocked if the Vette can outrun the base GT-R at the 'Ring, much less the V-Spec.... Isn't the ZR1 supposed to be "softer" than the Z06??
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I would be shocked if the Vette can outrun the base GT-R at the 'Ring, much less the V-Spec.... Isn't the ZR1 supposed to be "softer" than the Z06??
The ZR1 has softer springs due to the Magnetic shocks.

I think GM can do it. The ZR1 has better brakes and tires over the Z06. It also has aerodynamic enhancements.
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Originally Posted by rondog
Corvette ZR-1:
7:40, its in the link to the wikedpedia page above.
A modded z06 has a better chance making it around the ring than the ZR1. THEZR1 is not a purpose built track car for the street like the Z06 is.
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Originally Posted by Black Tire
Make sure to take the leaf springs out.
People really need to get that "Leaf Spring" notion out of their head
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Originally Posted by bigman
A modded z06 has a better chance making it around the ring than the ZR1. THEZR1 is not a purpose built track car for the street like the Z06 is.
I think GM will make it one. The put enough into it to make it a much more stable high speed car, why not the handling? Bigger better tires, better suspension, way better brakes.
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It may have softer springs, but better shocks can make a big difference in handling. I'm not exactly sure how the MR shocks behave over uneven surfaces but they should be even better at keeping the car stable over rough pavement.
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don't think this is a repost...

http://www.drivers-republic.com/news..._05_08_pg2.cfm



Nissan GT-R (The story behind that 7 minute 29 second lap)
Author: Jethro Bovingdon
Videographer: Dave Litchfield


"It's old news that the Nissan GTR is rewriting the rules on what's possible for a relatively affordable and everyday usable super-coupe and that it recently lapped the Nordschliefe in 7:29 - setting a new benchmark for fully homologated production cars. But meeting the man who set the time, Tochio Suzuki, and the man in control of the car's development from the ground up, Kazutoshi Mizuno, is a great opportunity to witness first hand just how obsessive Nissan are about the GTR. And how proud they are that it has undoubtedly set new standards for everyone else to be judged against. Grabbing a couple of laps of Estoril with Suzuki is pretty revealing, too...

First up that Nurburgring lap. The target for the GTR was always 7:30 - and it had to be achieved in a fully representative 'customer-spec' car. Mizuno is quite clear on this: 'This time was set on a totally standard car, just like a customer will get. For us 'Time Attack' must be repeatable in a customer car. No special brake pads or cut-slick tyres - everything was standard GTR.' The time, set on April 8th, was achieved on the Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST tyre that is standard on the basic GTR (i.e. non Premium or 'Black' spec, which both have Bridgestone RE070R tyres). The Dunlop is a little noisier and not quite as good in the wet as the RE070R, but in the dry it's worth 4-5 seconds around the 'Ring. Incredibly all the tests of the GTR in the UK so far have been on the slower Bridgestone - and yet it has consistently set faster lap times than cars like the GT3.

Suzuki is quietly spoken and although he doesn't like to conduct interviews in English he's eloquent when talking about the lap. 'The conditions were perfect. I don't think the car could go faster. Its main strength is stability - on the brakes and in the corners. And the tyres are very consistent.' Is there a scary part of the circuit? - a key section to getting a good time but also the bit you don't look forward to? 'No. The lap was optimum but the car is predictable and easy to drive on the limit.'

The data trace that Mizuno is proud to take me through suggests that Suzuki is being ridiculously modest. The peak lateral G figure is 1.4 - and the car averages 1.3G from corner to corner. The GTR hits 290kph twice on its way to that lap time. The throttle position graph tells of total commitment (TPOS on the graph). Lapping a 1740kg road car in 7:29 is simply a phenomenal achievement.

Incredibly there's more to come. Mizuno, Suzuki and the rest of the team are already well into the V-Spec development programme. Both men are tight lipped about the project but with an increase in power (to around 550bhp) and a 100kg weight saving, the V-Spec should move the GTR even further ahead of its rivals. Suzuki thinks the car should be as much as 10-seconds quicker than the standard car around the 'Ring. However, the V-Spec will have more extreme track-biased tyres, which will account for a large chunk of the time saving.

Suzuki is on full PR duty, demonstrating the GTR to dozens of journalists around the Estoril circuit. I sense he's bored, hence the early quick and tidy laps becoming more lurid as the day goes on. You can hear that the GTR is fully sideways well before each corner from the pit wall - the tyres wailing under the torture - and the spectacular drifting is necessitating a fresh set of Dunlops with virtually every fuel stop. But when I jump in beside him I ask him to do a proper lap first, and then a silly one. He nods approvingly.

First impression is once again just how fast the GTR is - most cars feel blunted on a wide track but the Nissan still feels immense, the power ramping up with every instantaneous gearchange. Suzuki is super-aggressive on the brakes but smooth on corner entry. However he then has to wait for the front to bite and it takes a couple of exploratory prods of the accelerator before the nose sticks and Suzuki can fully commit the twin-turbo 3.8-litre V6. Estoril is smooth and wide, unlike the Nordschleife and you can tell the GTR isn't as suited to this sort of modern circuit. It's still very fast but the weight does tend to push the front wide and Suzuki is more often managing the power than simply unleashing it.

Having said that, the GTR's body control is exceptional and the brakes seem to shrug off the weight. Through the Parabolica - a long fast right-hander where you'd expect the car to start understeering, it stays neutral and Suzuki pours more and more power down to the track. Impressive stuff. Check out the video to see Suzuki at work - we'll also have the full 7:29 lap up soon.

Lap 2 is slower but super-sideways. Suzuki just turns the GTR in on the brakes, waits for the slide to build and then flattens the throttle to pull the car straight. Sometimes it needs virtually full opposite lock but always the transition between grip-slip-grip is smooth and Suzuki is right on top of the car. Afterwards he says the car could be improved 'to give a little more feedback'. The V-Spec is truly going to be a special car."













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I raise my own post with this - especially read the 3rd column:

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Steven Sutcliffe would've said otherwise if the GT-R had a Porsche badge on the front

Its just really hard to believe that the Evo X has a very similar torque vectoring AWD system and it can pulll 0.99g on the skidpad, yet the GT-R, with its supposedly inferior (with regards to grip) run-flat tires, and an extra 500 lbs of weight can pull 1.3g.
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Its just really hard to believe that the Evo X has a very similar torque vectoring AWD system and it can pulll 0.99g on the skidpad, yet the GT-R, with its supposedly inferior (with regards to grip) run-flat tires, and an extra 500 lbs of weight can pull 1.3g.
Weight distribution, center of gravity, tire width....

edit:
size of car

double edit:
If given the opportunity, I still would rather have something else, but the GT-R is a fantasmic car

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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Steven Sutcliffe would've said otherwise if the GT-R had a Porsche badge on the front

Its just really hard to believe that the Evo X has a very similar torque vectoring AWD system and it can pulll 0.99g on the skidpad, yet the GT-R, with its supposedly inferior (with regards to grip) run-flat tires, and an extra 500 lbs of weight can pull 1.3g.
beh. skidpad numbers vary wildly.
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You can hardly say the Porsche have "Standard tires"...in real world terms...those standard Porsche tires are like racing slicks to yours on my car tires.
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I'll take mine in white.
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Too bad that the BMW M3 is a superior car to the GT-R according to C&D...prolly would've killed the GT-R at the Ring.








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I'll take mine in white.
The white does look amazing!!
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Too bad that the BMW M3 is a superior car to the GT-R according to C&D...prolly would've killed the GT-R at the Ring.








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The funny thing is the GT2 is the one using a sorry excuse for street legal tires.

Just a few days ago, a BRAND NEW GT2 was wrecked in the Phillipines. Why? The fancy Michelin Sport Cup tires got overtly squirelly in the rain.

These gumball tires have a FREAKIN 60 treadwear rating, and simply dont work in the wet.

The author of that article should take a look at the time that the GT-R just posted in a recent EVO test - they found the GT-R posted a time 0.1 second behind the GT2!

I personally think that the GT-Rs immense stability helps, and as people learn to drive it better (i.e. really more on the advanced 4WD system etc.), the capabilities of this car will be further revealed.

Numerous tests have shown that this car is appreciably quicker than the 911 GT3 and the 911 Turbo. ALWAYS. And these are on tracks where a good lap is sub 2min. On a 8 minute course, we're talking something on the order of 10 seconds. The 911 GT3 and 911 Turbo have both run a 7:43 at the Nring. So why is 7:29 so unbelievable?
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