Good bye Cl-s...Hello TUNDRAAA
04-20-2007 | 11:36 PM
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Good bye Cl-s...Hello TUNDRAAA
I need to get into a real mans car so Im going to sell the cl-s and get a new tundra. I drove that thing and damn the brakes are killer....its fast..and gets better gas miliage than my cl-s. Mine is messed up and only getting around 14 mpg..Plus the tundra has sooo much room.
04-21-2007 | 04:18 AM
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Congrats!
I test drove a Tundra with the 5.7L i-Force V8 and it rides great, has good noise isolation, is powerful and stops good. Really comfortable and really roomy. Not to mention the cool power rear windscreen.
I test drove a Tundra with the 5.7L i-Force V8 and it rides great, has good noise isolation, is powerful and stops good. Really comfortable and really roomy. Not to mention the cool power rear windscreen.
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04-21-2007 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bmehling
I need to get into a real mans car so Im going to sell the cl-s and get a new tundra.
What's with the "real man's car" comment ?? 1st, a truck is not a "car"... it's a truck. 2nd, Is your penis so small that you need a truck to compensate ??
04-21-2007 | 01:46 PM
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Hahah... From a truck perspective the tundra is junk... If you MUST get an "Import Truck" get a Titan. Than again, you want a "real man's car." The Tundra screams I know nothing about trucks so I bought this cause its big. Again, if you are stuck on Imports go with a Titan. IMO, Ford and GM still make the best trucks. First and foremost GM.
Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
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Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
Mike
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04-21-2007 | 03:56 PM
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What makes you think that the Tundra is junk? I have seen that truck in person and the stuff put into it at the plant which is in my town. That thing blows Ford and GM trucks out the water. The new GM interiors are better though but still its a great truck. I had the Titan and I would take a Tundra over a TITAN.
04-21-2007 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Hahah... From a truck perspective the tundra is junk... If you MUST get an "Import Truck" get a Titan. Than again, you want a "real man's car." The Tundra screams I know nothing about trucks so I bought this cause its big. Again, if you are stuck on Imports go with a Titan. IMO, Ford and GM still make the best trucks. First and foremost GM.
Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
Mike
Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
Mike
04-21-2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Hahah... From a truck perspective the tundra is junk... If you MUST get an "Import Truck" get a Titan. Than again, you want a "real man's car." The Tundra screams I know nothing about trucks so I bought this cause its big. Again, if you are stuck on Imports go with a Titan. IMO, Ford and GM still make the best trucks. First and foremost GM.
Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
Mike
Toyota's marketing campaign is pretty strong, but that doesn't change that the vehicle is using old American truck tech.
Mike
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04-21-2007 | 04:11 PM
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Welded box frame ONLY at the front. Cab back is open C and "reinforced C." Outdated tech... Frame is the big thing. I know GM just recently went over to full box for 07. Point is, however, that Toyota is using yesterdays technology.
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GMtrucks message board, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GMtrucks message board, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
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04-21-2007 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Welded box frame ONLY at the front. Cab back is open C and "reinforced C." Outdated tech... Frame is the big thing. I know GM just recently went over to full box for 07. Point is, however, that Toyota is using yesterdays technology.
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GM trucks, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GM trucks, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
I haven't seen or heard any complaints on the new Tundra. I have seen them in use hauling some heavy stuff that 3/4 tons should be doing.
The type of frame is not outdated at all. You need flex in the frame or it will bend and then be warped that way.
04-21-2007 | 04:27 PM
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I'm still not convinced that a fully boxed frame is any stronger than a larger C-frame. Just because one manufacturer uses one approach and one uses another, doesn't make the other one an older technology. In fact many medium to heavy trucks continue to use a C-frame. Cross members flimsy? How so? What is your reference to a split axle?
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04-21-2007 | 04:40 PM
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Video of the Ford guy checking out the Tundra
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv4kGXwe4mE
Welded, does not mean better. In many situations I'd rather have it bolted, as you will never have to worry about a cracking weld, and it is easily replaceable, a frame that is too stiff is more likely to crack, as the torsion and vibration takes it's toll, a tuned frame like the Tundra is a much better idea. You probably don't know much about vehicles, so he "got one over" on ya, but if you watch the video, you notice he points things out, and says "we'll get back to that one" or "more on that later", but of course they never actually talk about what he brought up, because usually there is nothing wrong with it. Ford does not need to worry, the Toyota engineers did not copy anything, they far surpassed what Ford offers.
Got this off a truck forum...
I have a little bit to say about this, considering my daily driver is a 2007 Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 crew cab fleet truck. It was ordered for me brand new and I now have 6000 miles on it, so in the great words of Samuel L. Jackson, "Allow me to Retort": Here's my play by play if anyone cares...
First off, this jackass is talking about the F-150's frame like its an act of god or something. Sure the F-150's frame may be fully boxed, and the crossmembers may be welded but IT STILL RIDES AND HANDLES LIKE ****!! I know, I drive it every day, on road and off; the bed shakes, the doors shake, the dash shakes, sure its "quiet steel" but it still shakes and wobbles everywhere. The Triple tech frame on the Tundra reduces NVH while providing fully boxed strength where its needed, which is NOT the length of the truck.
Secondly, He goes on to insinuate that the outboard shocks were copied from ford, which may be true on the Tundra, BUT the 4th gen 4Runner (2003-present) has outboard shocks, which was before Ford started doing it!!
Then he again insinuates that the new 5.7 is going to be fuel inefficient. Hey moron, I have the 4.6 V8 (which i might add is a pathetic motor) in my work truck an it gets a whopping 14 mpg average and over half my driving is highway.
Haha!!! Inefficient brakes!! Someone do some research for me but I can GUARANTEE that any model Tundra can stop faster than my work truck. I'd bet huge money on that.
His interior bit is all subjective...All personal opinion, is that really the best he can do? Now I get what everyone's been saying, I really am starting to feel sorry for this guy.
On to the grille, my F-150 has a honeycomb grille with about 200 different hexagons, that isn't hard to clean???
Wow, so that was all he had huh? "Adjustible second row seats, to go where?" How about back so the person in the seat has more leg room?? Funny he points that out likes its bad in the Tundra, but Ford doesn't even offer it.
A couple other things that bother me about my work truck: If you park closer than 2 feet to another car good luck getting both doors open. The long front door has to open at least 30-35 degrees for the rear "suicide" door to open fully. Good luck doing that with you in the middle as well. The dash, while attractive looking is made of the thinnest hollowest plastic ever. And its big enough to house a small family inside of it. The heat never stays a constant temperature up, down, up, down, I'm constantly adjusting it. The wheels a manufactured such that when I drive in deep mud it gets inside the wheel and stays there so now I have a horrible shimmy from 60 mph on up and this is assuming its the mud and not the aluminum bottom link being bent. Throttle tip in is way overboosted. It feels like it has the same power at 10% throttle as it does at 50%. The brakes are HORRIBLE and there is about 4 inches of travel before anything happens...and I could go on.
So sad Ford had to result to this...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv4kGXwe4mE
Welded, does not mean better. In many situations I'd rather have it bolted, as you will never have to worry about a cracking weld, and it is easily replaceable, a frame that is too stiff is more likely to crack, as the torsion and vibration takes it's toll, a tuned frame like the Tundra is a much better idea. You probably don't know much about vehicles, so he "got one over" on ya, but if you watch the video, you notice he points things out, and says "we'll get back to that one" or "more on that later", but of course they never actually talk about what he brought up, because usually there is nothing wrong with it. Ford does not need to worry, the Toyota engineers did not copy anything, they far surpassed what Ford offers.
Got this off a truck forum...
I have a little bit to say about this, considering my daily driver is a 2007 Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 crew cab fleet truck. It was ordered for me brand new and I now have 6000 miles on it, so in the great words of Samuel L. Jackson, "Allow me to Retort": Here's my play by play if anyone cares...
First off, this jackass is talking about the F-150's frame like its an act of god or something. Sure the F-150's frame may be fully boxed, and the crossmembers may be welded but IT STILL RIDES AND HANDLES LIKE ****!! I know, I drive it every day, on road and off; the bed shakes, the doors shake, the dash shakes, sure its "quiet steel" but it still shakes and wobbles everywhere. The Triple tech frame on the Tundra reduces NVH while providing fully boxed strength where its needed, which is NOT the length of the truck.
Secondly, He goes on to insinuate that the outboard shocks were copied from ford, which may be true on the Tundra, BUT the 4th gen 4Runner (2003-present) has outboard shocks, which was before Ford started doing it!!
Then he again insinuates that the new 5.7 is going to be fuel inefficient. Hey moron, I have the 4.6 V8 (which i might add is a pathetic motor) in my work truck an it gets a whopping 14 mpg average and over half my driving is highway.
Haha!!! Inefficient brakes!! Someone do some research for me but I can GUARANTEE that any model Tundra can stop faster than my work truck. I'd bet huge money on that.
His interior bit is all subjective...All personal opinion, is that really the best he can do? Now I get what everyone's been saying, I really am starting to feel sorry for this guy.
On to the grille, my F-150 has a honeycomb grille with about 200 different hexagons, that isn't hard to clean???
Wow, so that was all he had huh? "Adjustible second row seats, to go where?" How about back so the person in the seat has more leg room?? Funny he points that out likes its bad in the Tundra, but Ford doesn't even offer it.
A couple other things that bother me about my work truck: If you park closer than 2 feet to another car good luck getting both doors open. The long front door has to open at least 30-35 degrees for the rear "suicide" door to open fully. Good luck doing that with you in the middle as well. The dash, while attractive looking is made of the thinnest hollowest plastic ever. And its big enough to house a small family inside of it. The heat never stays a constant temperature up, down, up, down, I'm constantly adjusting it. The wheels a manufactured such that when I drive in deep mud it gets inside the wheel and stays there so now I have a horrible shimmy from 60 mph on up and this is assuming its the mud and not the aluminum bottom link being bent. Throttle tip in is way overboosted. It feels like it has the same power at 10% throttle as it does at 50%. The brakes are HORRIBLE and there is about 4 inches of travel before anything happens...and I could go on.
So sad Ford had to result to this...
04-21-2007 | 04:52 PM
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Good information video....Nice to see the Titan 2nd in all the tests too
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4uH_qnCCBY0
Both the Ford and the 07 Tundra frames are manufactured by the same company. Dana Corp.
***Dana To Supply Ford's F-150 Series Pickup Truck With Structural Frames - Dana Corp., Ford Motor Co - Brief Article
Autoparts Report, Jan 17, 2003
Dana Corp. said that it will supply structural systems to the Ford for its 2004 F-150 Series pickup trucks. Dana's Automotive Systems Group will supply frames from its Elizabethtown, Ky., and St. Mary's, Ont., facilities to supply Ford's Kansas City, Mo., and Norfolk, Va., assembly plants.
The frame will be produced using Dana's new technology, which increases the frame's vertical stiffness by 50 percent, Dana said. The hydroformed structural system has increased stiffness not only vertically, but also torsionally for an improved ride, the company added. The frame surface is also being electrocoated, providing corrosion protection that is resistant to higher underbody temperatures, it said.
"This is the first time Dana's hydroforming technology is being used in one of Ford's F-Series pickup trucks," said Bill Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive Systems Group.***
***Dana Corporation Providing Propshafts, Full-Perimeter Frame for Redesigned 2007 Toyota Tundra Pickup Truck
Supplier Earns Technology Award for Innovative Drivetrain Product
TOLEDO, Ohio, Feb. 27, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Dana Corporation announced today that it has begun supplying steel and bi-metallic Spicer® propshafts, as well as full-perimeter frames, for the redesigned 2007 Toyota Tundra pickup truck.
Dana is supplying 100 percent of the propshafts for both the two-wheel- and four-wheel-drive versions of the Tundra. While the one-piece design is made of steel, the two-piece propshaft configuration uses a unique bi-metallic design, resulting in improved noise, vibration, and harshness. This is the first time that Dana has supplied bi-metallic propshafts to Toyota.
The bi-metallic propshaft earned Toyota's Award for Technology and Development, which Dana accepted the at the automaker's Global Suppliers Convention in Nagoya, Japan, on Friday. Toyota reviewed more than 200 supplier applications before it selected winners of the 2007 awards.
"Dana is an industry leader in developing new designs and material uses to help our customers achieve improved performance," said Michael J. Burns, Dana chairman and CEO. "It's an honor to have our engineering expertise recognized by a respected customer such as Toyota."
"The redesigned 2007 Tundra presented Dana's first opportunity to supply Toyota with bi-metallic propshafts," said Bob Fesenmyer, president, business development. "This product is just one example of Dana's dedication to providing innovative, valuable technologies to help our customers deliver a quality vehicle."
The propshafts are manufactured at Dana's facility in Gordonsville, Tenn.
The Dana frames come from the company's Owensboro, Ky., facility, which is one of the industry's leading assemblers of advanced full-perimeter frames. In recognition of its lean manufacturing approach, Dana's Owensboro facility has previously been honored as one of IndustryWeek magazine's Ten Best North American Manufacturing Facilities.
Mr. Fesenmyer added, "We value our close relationship with Toyota that dates back to the 1980s. Through our joint commitment to collaboration, we are able to deliver innovative new technologies that contribute to enhanced efficiency, logistics, and throughput, while also maintaining a high level of quality."
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4uH_qnCCBY0
Both the Ford and the 07 Tundra frames are manufactured by the same company. Dana Corp.
***Dana To Supply Ford's F-150 Series Pickup Truck With Structural Frames - Dana Corp., Ford Motor Co - Brief Article
Autoparts Report, Jan 17, 2003
Dana Corp. said that it will supply structural systems to the Ford for its 2004 F-150 Series pickup trucks. Dana's Automotive Systems Group will supply frames from its Elizabethtown, Ky., and St. Mary's, Ont., facilities to supply Ford's Kansas City, Mo., and Norfolk, Va., assembly plants.
The frame will be produced using Dana's new technology, which increases the frame's vertical stiffness by 50 percent, Dana said. The hydroformed structural system has increased stiffness not only vertically, but also torsionally for an improved ride, the company added. The frame surface is also being electrocoated, providing corrosion protection that is resistant to higher underbody temperatures, it said.
"This is the first time Dana's hydroforming technology is being used in one of Ford's F-Series pickup trucks," said Bill Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive Systems Group.***
***Dana Corporation Providing Propshafts, Full-Perimeter Frame for Redesigned 2007 Toyota Tundra Pickup Truck
Supplier Earns Technology Award for Innovative Drivetrain Product
TOLEDO, Ohio, Feb. 27, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Dana Corporation announced today that it has begun supplying steel and bi-metallic Spicer® propshafts, as well as full-perimeter frames, for the redesigned 2007 Toyota Tundra pickup truck.
Dana is supplying 100 percent of the propshafts for both the two-wheel- and four-wheel-drive versions of the Tundra. While the one-piece design is made of steel, the two-piece propshaft configuration uses a unique bi-metallic design, resulting in improved noise, vibration, and harshness. This is the first time that Dana has supplied bi-metallic propshafts to Toyota.
The bi-metallic propshaft earned Toyota's Award for Technology and Development, which Dana accepted the at the automaker's Global Suppliers Convention in Nagoya, Japan, on Friday. Toyota reviewed more than 200 supplier applications before it selected winners of the 2007 awards.
"Dana is an industry leader in developing new designs and material uses to help our customers achieve improved performance," said Michael J. Burns, Dana chairman and CEO. "It's an honor to have our engineering expertise recognized by a respected customer such as Toyota."
"The redesigned 2007 Tundra presented Dana's first opportunity to supply Toyota with bi-metallic propshafts," said Bob Fesenmyer, president, business development. "This product is just one example of Dana's dedication to providing innovative, valuable technologies to help our customers deliver a quality vehicle."
The propshafts are manufactured at Dana's facility in Gordonsville, Tenn.
The Dana frames come from the company's Owensboro, Ky., facility, which is one of the industry's leading assemblers of advanced full-perimeter frames. In recognition of its lean manufacturing approach, Dana's Owensboro facility has previously been honored as one of IndustryWeek magazine's Ten Best North American Manufacturing Facilities.
Mr. Fesenmyer added, "We value our close relationship with Toyota that dates back to the 1980s. Through our joint commitment to collaboration, we are able to deliver innovative new technologies that contribute to enhanced efficiency, logistics, and throughput, while also maintaining a high level of quality."
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04-21-2007 | 04:56 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp-v0vF-Jso Brakes details on the new tundra video
04-21-2007 | 06:17 PM
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I'd be interested in real world test. Towing an RV cross country. Yes, these numbers are somewhat significant, if you are drag racing a fully loaded truck, though braking sticks out more than anything. But what about daily use and abuse? One has a 2 piece drive shaft, 4 piston calipers, etc.
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04-21-2007 | 06:55 PM
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I'll admit... I know nothing about trucks... but the new Tundra is one of the few vehicles on the road that makes me do a double take... (and it takes a lot for me to do a "double take")
04-21-2007 | 08:21 PM
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I don't mean to start any flamin' but IMHO... the new Chevy trucks... are, well... I don't think they're ugly, but they've gone back to the plain look... it's not very aggressive looking at all...
04-21-2007 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
What's with the "real man's car" comment ?? 1st, a truck is not a "car"... it's a truck. 2nd, Is your penis so small that you need a truck to compensate ??
04-21-2007 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Welded box frame ONLY at the front. Cab back is open C and "reinforced C." Outdated tech... Frame is the big thing. I know GM just recently went over to full box for 07. Point is, however, that Toyota is using yesterdays technology.
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GMtrucks message board, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
I also heard complaints about the cross members being flimsy, hence the large body panel gaps to allow for more flex than a truck should have. The split axle was tried by GM way back when, and discarded. New weak point.
Yes it is being nit picky, and a lot of this was brought up on GMtrucks message board, but facts are facts...
I really should have said, the truck isn't JUNK, but I'd be buying a GM over it in a heartbeat. But I am biased...
Mike
04-21-2007 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Wait a minute... you haven't bought the truck yet ?? Purchase first, then post (with pics).
What's with the "real man's car" comment ?? 1st, a truck is not a "car"... it's a truck. 2nd, Is your penis so small that you need a truck to compensate ??
What's with the "real man's car" comment ?? 1st, a truck is not a "car"... it's a truck. 2nd, Is your penis so small that you need a truck to compensate ??
04-21-2007 | 10:06 PM
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I agree the OBS Silverados were nice looking. The new ones aren't terrible IMO, but the new tundras look like ass.
You say superior towing, breaking, etc... But these aren't looking at the long term. GM trucks are relatively bulletproof, of course they aren't "perfect," and have their made in USA quirks, but they are good vehicles.
Mike
You say superior towing, breaking, etc... But these aren't looking at the long term. GM trucks are relatively bulletproof, of course they aren't "perfect," and have their made in USA quirks, but they are good vehicles.
Mike
04-21-2007 | 10:27 PM
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I won't discount the ability of Toyota/Nissan to make a good truck, but if I ever buy, its going to be a domestic.
I know people with both - one guy sold the Tundra to get a new Ford, the other wrecked the Tundra and bought another one...
I know people with both - one guy sold the Tundra to get a new Ford, the other wrecked the Tundra and bought another one...
04-22-2007 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
I agree the OBS Silverados were nice looking. The new ones aren't terrible IMO, but the new tundras look like ass.
You say superior towing, breaking, etc... But these aren't looking at the long term. GM trucks are relatively bulletproof, of course they aren't "perfect," and have their made in USA quirks, but they are good vehicles.
Mike
You say superior towing, breaking, etc... But these aren't looking at the long term. GM trucks are relatively bulletproof, of course they aren't "perfect," and have their made in USA quirks, but they are good vehicles.
Mike
04-22-2007 | 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Because people do actual work with REAL trucks 
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