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Old 08-29-2017, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
My parents have a 3.0R Outback though it's brand new. It's really nice but the fuel economy is abysmal for something like that. It's the same or worse as my Jeep is.

Other than that, it's great, comfy, tons of features, etc... The only downside with old Subies is the headgaskets tend to want to be replaced at some point far sooner than they should.
Thanks good information to have. He likes the older outbacks over the newer ones as the newer ones almost seem to be more a CUV than a wagon.

The 3.0 I found already got snatched up. Figure that a rare 3.0 limited with only 50k miles got was only on the lot for like 10 days. I think the 3.0 seems far more reliable than the older 2.5i engines with head gasket and timing belt issues. Trying to recommend him the TSX wagon as those also are in his budget with about 70k miles on them and I feel they would be far more reliable. He is caught up though on it not having AWD which he only wants for the 3-4 ski trips he goes on each year up in Vermont and Maine. I think the would be fine in the TSX with proper snow tires.
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I'd think 2.5T > 3.0 >>>>> 2.5NA, but I've never owned one.
A 3.0R would make for a nice wagon, IIRC, they're a bit sparsely equipped inside.

A TSX wagon would do it for me, except against a manual 2.5T Legacy wagon.
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He doesn't remeber to always do maintenance on time either which is another reason I am pushing for the TSX and also somewhat steering him away from turbo cars.
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
A45 (but not in that green) > FoRS > RS3 > CTR > Golf:.R

For me.
We recently got back from Europe (France) and seeing the A45 made me so mad we got stuck with the GLA45. I would scoop up the A45 in a heartbeat. RS3 hatch would be a close 2nd...

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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
Thanks good information to have. He likes the older outbacks over the newer ones as the newer ones almost seem to be more a CUV than a wagon.

The 3.0 I found already got snatched up. Figure that a rare 3.0 limited with only 50k miles got was only on the lot for like 10 days. I think the 3.0 seems far more reliable than the older 2.5i engines with head gasket and timing belt issues. Trying to recommend him the TSX wagon as those also are in his budget with about 70k miles on them and I feel they would be far more reliable. He is caught up though on it not having AWD which he only wants for the 3-4 ski trips he goes on each year up in Vermont and Maine. I think the would be fine in the TSX with proper snow tires.
I think the 6 cylinder models have the same or similar issues as the 4cyl ones. The 3.0R is a fairly limited and rare thing though, my parents had to special order theirs because no one stocked them. I don't think many people even know they exist either.

The new ones do ride high but definitely not CUV style. The whole car is more "sit in" rather than the "sit on" like my Jeep and the ride is far more compliant and comfortable too. It has a lot of ground clearance to hop curbs with but it's definitely not going off road. The CVT is ok at best but fine for people who don't even know what a CVT is.

Agree with the TSX wagon and snow tires though. That's for sure the right way to go IMO.

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I'd think 2.5T > 3.0 >>>>> 2.5NA, but I've never owned one.
A 3.0R would make for a nice wagon, IIRC, they're a bit sparsely equipped inside.

A TSX wagon would do it for me, except against a manual 2.5T Legacy wagon.
The new ones aren't sparse at all... They now have all the fancy gadgets and gizmos and a nice interior with open pore wood, heated front and rear seats, power trunk, etc. Basically all the crap you get on the RDX advance, you get on the Outback 3.0 Limited.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
We recently got back from Europe (France) and seeing the A45 made me so mad we got stuck with the GLA45. I would scoop up the A45 in a heartbeat. RS3 hatch would be a close 2nd...
I suppose you could make a faux A45 here, take a GLA & lower it, not 100% on what all changes from the A to the GLA.

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The new ones aren't sparse at all... They now have all the fancy gadgets and gizmos and a nice interior with open pore wood, heated front and rear seats, power trunk, etc. Basically all the crap you get on the RDX advance, you get on the Outback 3.0 Limited.
Right, but he's talking about an '09 which I believe is the tail end of the prior gen. Newer ones are also 3.6 V6 not 3.0, which may account for the drop in MPG.
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Right, but he's talking about an '09 which I believe is the tail end of the prior gen. Newer ones are also 3.6 V6 not 3.0, which may account for the drop in MPG.
Ah yes, you are right. I'm not sure, either way the fuel economy isn't all that great.
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Found another 2009 with the 3.0R LL Bean addition in NY. It only has 56k miles. He seems really bought into that AWD gives him added utility and he would like to eventually move out west to the mountains so maybe it would be a help. This one doesn't have the Harmon Kardon stereo but other than that seems to have every option. I do agree he won't get all that great gas mileage but I feel the 3.0R is better than either of the other engine options.
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terrible situation all around... here is an automotive angle......


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Originally Posted by srika
terrible situation all around... here is an automotive angle......



Buy stock in the auto retailers like AutoNation (AN), Sonic Automotive (SAH), and car manufacturers like Ford (F), General Motors (GM), Fiat Chrysler (FCAU), Honda (HMC), etc?

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A half-million flooded cars and trucks could be scrapped after Harvey

Aug. 29, 2017

They seem to be in almost every picture or video of flooded neighborhoods in and around Houston.

There are scores of cars and trucks with water up to their windows and in some cases over the hood and roof.

In fact, the flooding is so extensive, Cox Automotive estimates a half-million vehicles may wind up in the scrap yard.

"This is worse than Hurricane Sandy," said Jonathan Smoke, chief economist for Cox Automotive. "Sandy was bad, but the flooding with Hurricane Harvey could impact far more vehicles."

After Hurricane Sandy battered New York and New Jersey in October 2012, an estimated 250,000 vehicles were scrapped.

While the New York metropolitan area has more residents than Houston, the number of vehicles per household is much higher in Houston.

Auto dealers are expecting a surge in business once Houston gets back on its feet.

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Harvey to hurt, then lift U.S. auto sales: analysts

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DETROIT (Reuters) - Tropical Storm Harvey is likely to briefly depress already slowing U.S. auto sales, but could eventually help boost demand as damaged cars are replaced, analysts said on Tuesday.

The catastrophic flooding in Houston, the fourth-largest U.S. city, could mean 2 percent fewer vehicles will be sold in August than previously expected, according to Edmunds.com.

“In subsequent months we’ll likely see a slight localized bump in sales as the recovery takes hold and people are able to buy replacement vehicles,” said Jessica Caldwell, executive director of industry analysis at Edmunds, in a statement.

After Superstorm Sandy caused widespread flooding in the New York metropolitan area in 2012, “we saw all of those lost sales made up in the subsequent few months and then some because of replacements for vehicles destroyed and damaged,” Cox Automotive analyst Michelle Krebs said.

A sales rebound will depend on how quickly car owners file claims and the speed with which insurers process them, said Christopher Hopson, senior analyst at industry consultant IHS Markit.

“If the reaction is swift, we could start to see a pickup in sales as soon as late September or October,” he said.

Hopson said insurers’ swift response after Sandy in October 2012 fueled an almost immediate sales uptick.

Auto sales in New York in November 2012 rose 49 percent versus the previous year, according to Cox Automotive.


The Houston metropolitan market is the seventh largest in the United States, and ranks third in sales of large pickup trucks, which generate significant profits for the Detroit Three automakers, Krebs said.

General Motors Co, Ford Motor Co and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV went into August with hefty inventories of unsold pickups, and a post-storm sales bump could help clear out those trucks at higher prices.

Production at plants like Toyota Motor Corp’s San Antonio, Texas, truck factory and a large GM-operated SUV plant in Arlington, Texas, have been unaffected, the companies said.

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Apparently, there's an ad going around of a blue C6Z that's built up w/ a turbo, asking $26,000 and folks have discovered it's one of the cars affected by the floods. But, the owner is claiming the car isn't flooded, the water is just "up to the lower door trim" & is ok, but he also hasn't been home in 4 days to actually check in person, b/c he's a police officer. Nobody seems to recall when the picture was taken. Someone was claiming the owner argued it wasn't the same car at one point.

But, the guy doesn't seem to understand that now that there's a picture of his car sitting in water, regardless of whether or not the car ends up just fine, people will be skeptical of buying it.
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^ Well the PCM is up in the fender I believe... and as long as he didn't get water into the engine.. probably mostly fine.
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Personally.. if water didn't get in.. I wouldn't be that concerned.
Especially if offered at a discount for any worries.
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But how would you know for sure? Could steam clean the interior and there'd be no smell.

And why is the car suddenly up for sale?
I knew somebody that bought a flood damaged salvage vehicle, wouldn't touch them. If I had to buy that Vette for the right price it would be parted out.
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1,000 HP Prius

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Ok, it's barely a Prius but the thought of pulling up next to another Prius with a Bernie 2016 bumper on it would be hilarious.

Hell, they should slap Bernie and Coexist on the back of that monster.
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The C5 Corvette looks, arguably, better with fixed headlights. Depending on who you buy from though, to be fair. Some look good like the one below imo, and some look really shit.
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C5s do look awesome with these headlights.

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I prefer pop ups, especially on the C5, MR2 and 1G NSX. When I was a little kid I thought the mechanism was really cool, still remember first seeing it on a C2 Corvette at the liquor store by my old house.

The fixed headlight replacements look terrible IMO. Pop ups don't really belong these days, but I prefer the stealthy look of them hidden.
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Originally Posted by Costco
I prefer pop ups, especially on the C5, MR2 and 1G NSX. When I was a little kid I thought the mechanism was really cool, still remember first seeing it on a C2 Corvette at the liquor store by my old house.

The fixed headlight replacements look terrible IMO. Pop ups don't really belong these days, but I prefer the stealthy look of them hidden.
I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't switch fixed headlights for popups but I wouldn't do the opposite either.
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Yea, never a real fan of the fixed headlight kits for the C5.

I like the C7 headlights on the C6 though

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Wow I'm a big fan of that. New headlights with the OG tail lights
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Originally Posted by Costco
I prefer pop ups, especially on the C5, MR2 and 1G NSX. When I was a little kid I thought the mechanism was really cool, still remember first seeing it on a C2 Corvette at the liquor store by my old house.

The fixed headlight replacements look terrible IMO. Pop ups don't really belong these days, but I prefer the stealthy look of them hidden.
There are some where I like the pop-ups when OE.
But, in some cases, a retrofitted pop-up option can look better.

NA Miata with the 1/3 or 1/2 height pop-ups with projectors looks great.
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Originally Posted by Costco
I prefer pop ups, especially on the C5, MR2 and 1G NSX. When I was a little kid I thought the mechanism was really cool, still remember first seeing it on a C2 Corvette at the liquor store by my old house.

The fixed headlight replacements look terrible IMO. Pop ups don't really belong these days, but I prefer the stealthy look of them hidden.
My friend said he liked it until the mechanism failed haha
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I like both styles. The OEM is much cleaner for sure though.

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If there is a conversation about pop up headlights, then I must participate, by order of sentimental value and respect.

Pop up headlights will always hold a special place in my heart, I was such a geek for them growing up. To say I am not more than slightly dismayed that I have only owned one car that had popup lights - briefly - a 1995 Saturn SC1 (bought in 2006 and it was stolen in Chicago in 2007) would be a gross understatement. That being said, I would never ever swap out pop-up lights for static, regardless of how they look.

on that note, OMG at this video. get some and have a seat.

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holy chit. first time seeing a 288GTO with it's headlights open. respect.
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Changing a pop up design to a fixed is blasphemy. With the advance in technology of both design and manufacturing methods, there really isn't a need for having both pop up headlights and a stunning design anymore...though I still must own a car that has them sometime soon.
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Originally Posted by samdoe1
changing a pop up design to a fixed is blasphemy. With the advance in technology of both design and manufacturing methods, there really isn't a need for having both pop up headlights and a stunning design anymore...though i still must own a car that has them sometime soon.
nsx!
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flamesuit on but....... I hands-down prefer the pop-up headlight NSX over the fixed......... I mean seriously no brainer there.

1997-98 NSX-T is my favorite.
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nsx!
Either that or C5Z...

Originally Posted by srika
flamesuit on but....... I hands-down prefer the pop-up headlight NSX over the fixed......... I mean seriously no brainer there.

1997-98 NSX-T is my favorite.
Agree completely. It has a lot more of the 90's vibe going on that I absolutely love.
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one of my favorites..... shite, I'd buy one just to be able to pop the lights......

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holy crap, that AMG GT-R is smokin......

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Either that or C5Z...



Agree completely. It has a lot more of the 90's vibe going on that I absolutely love.
C5Z can be had for very cheap, but yeah the interior is complete trash haha I worked on both of those cars. NSX is such a beauty inside and out. Not even comparable.
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The C5Z interior is what lost me. Otherwise, yeah, you can grab very well maintained models for $30-35,000 if you wanted.

Had a short experience with 2 of the new LS generation cars yesterday. Under agreement with Toyota however, I can't share any pictures but I'd like to share my first impressions I posted elsewhere.
First off, the overall design is a bit mixed in feeling. It looks very good, esp. the F Sport. But, it's not as overwhelming as I thought it would be. The design is almost conservative & I believe that's in part because we are now in an age where we are used to the 4-door, "coupe" design with that flowing roof line that extends to the rear and leaves little room for the trunk line. In fact, the curvature of the roof is almost Panamera-ish meets Audi A8 as one friend put it. I don't see much of the Audi, but I thought of the Panamera as well when I saw it from certain angles. Again, none of this is bad, it is a very stunning car. Just personal opinion, it has the overall feel of the XJ; another car with an extended roof line and aggressive front styling. I wouldn't be surprised if this is all intentional though. This market is very competitive and many cars from the Panamera to BMW's GT line seem to be going this direction of styling.

Interior wise, it's beautiful. The unique design on the F Sport seats is a nice touch. The "floating" handles that house the controls on the door with the ambient lighting compliments its goal of ultra luxury along side the gorgeous door inserts. Neither of our cars had the Kiriko Glass on the car, but the wood paneling is likely on the same level of craftsmanship. There's just a lot to take in, awe at, and see where Lexus really took the time to make this feel like a new generation of luxury saloons. Each seat has its own massage chair and the rear passengers have a hidden touch screen in the armrest that gives them almost total control of the car. Both cars had the new Mark Levinson 3D audio that has hidden speakers in the roof lining, but I didn't get a chance to experience them. Up front, the car has its own unique welcome display like the LC, but the layout is definitely interesting to see. The HUD display in one of the cars featured the new 24-inch option and it's absolutely insane to see, personally. I wish I had some proper seat time to see it work in action. Elsewhere, the car has adopted the transmission layout found in the LC & I always find it interesting that this is the route Lexus intends on returning to with the flagships. If you don't know, the transmission layout is a replica of the CT's; pull the lever to the left and then go up or down for Drive or Reverse. Hold for Neutral. It's easy to get used to, but I have seen folks caught off guard how to use it during their initial exposure. Another feature I found really interesting was the center console. It opens up to the left and right for easy access. Looking at it, it appears to be thanks to a couple clips that pop in and out allowing the hinge of the console door to open in either direction.

Navigation wise, I didn't get to experiment with & see what was new. The track pad is like the LC's, so it should be much easier to use. The rest of the interior is much like the LC as well. Very high quality to mark its high price tag. The little design display at the end of the dash in front of the passenger illuminates as well, so that's a nice touch. I didn't see much of the engine, but it's a bit hard to make final judgement on it due what we were told. At first glance, it's all your usual hard cover plastic. However, it looks a bit "refined" so it's not dull. It has a finish to it. However, there is a claim this could very well change for the production car. In regards to sound, it's ok. It's a bit hard to be amazed considering the model is going from a V8 to a TT V6. And of course, this not being a car built around noise anyway. Credit is due to its performance, though, with a reported 0-60 of 4.6 seconds. I got in a quick grunt and its engine is more responsive than the V8, so it where it may lack in excitement with its noise, it still has the power behind it.

Short driving impressions, it's a LS. It feels good, and is soft over our speed bumps. It's what you're probably expecting from a luxury car that sits just south of a $100,000 that's history starts with the iconic commercial of champagne glasses sitting on its hood.

Overall, it's a gorgeous car to take in on first glance. I don't think its exterior is exactly going to create the same dramatic response the LC got (which in fairness, the LC was never intended for production at conception, either), but I think the drive of the car is what will make the final decision to buy for clients because the interior alone, is where it truly shines on first impressions, because of the all new design & quality of it. I believe it is the first all-new body for the model since 2006 or so, so it's been a long time coming to get the flagship brought into the next generation.

Last words, model release is still expected around Feb.-March & pricing point was said to start at $75-80,000. The goal is assuming, to keep the LC as the head, low-production sports coupe in contrast. However, Lexus does not build its higher-tier models in base form outside of a personal build, so I would realistically expect pricing of $85,000+ with likely Premium, HUD, & another option or 2 built into every model.

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