Fatal Enzo Crash
11-03-2005, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I never said you did dream it up, just the fact that some make it sound like it only happens to ferrari and none other. Fact is ferrari is mostly composite and aluminium built, and most bad accidents in them are at or above tripple digit speeds which isnt going to be pretty no matter what your in.
http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr6203.htm
Does anyone (beltfed?) have any links pointing to ferraris splitting in severe accidents?
its a crumpled ball of metal. put down the pipe.
11-03-2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
it looks a lot bigger from this pic, its all the way in the back......my guess is, you see that tiny bend in the background, he was going to fast around that, then hit that grass wall and split the car in two
11-03-2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
it's actually an extremely safe car, safer then 90% of the shit out there, but serious speed will break anything.
that is complete BS, ferrari's are not noted for their safty features, rather their performance features....on that same note no matter what you drive, unless its a NASCAR, if you wreck at a fast enough speed you will die....but as far as this car being safer than 90% of the cars on the road is ludicrous
11-03-2005, 12:05 PM
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That street sign in Italy means "right of way" The sign indicates a T intersection, with the straight road having the right of way.
My opinion is he hit another car ( not visible in the pictures which might explain the random looking tire ) or he was avoiding a motorist who just wasn't paying attention.
On a side note, maybe the driver at the intersection forgot to look in both directions and then back again in the first direction just to make sure... and pulled out infront of the enzo which just came around the turn at a high speed?
My opinion is he hit another car ( not visible in the pictures which might explain the random looking tire ) or he was avoiding a motorist who just wasn't paying attention.
On a side note, maybe the driver at the intersection forgot to look in both directions and then back again in the first direction just to make sure... and pulled out infront of the enzo which just came around the turn at a high speed?
11-03-2005, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
That street sign in Italy means "right of way" The sign indicates a T intersection, with the straight road having the right of way.
My opinion is he hit another car ( not visible in the pictures which might explain the random looking tire ) or he was avoiding a motorist who just wasn't paying attention.
On a side note, maybe the driver at the intersection forgot to look in both directions and then back again in the first direction just to make sure... and pulled out infront of the enzo which just came around the turn at a high speed?
My opinion is he hit another car ( not visible in the pictures which might explain the random looking tire ) or he was avoiding a motorist who just wasn't paying attention.
On a side note, maybe the driver at the intersection forgot to look in both directions and then back again in the first direction just to make sure... and pulled out infront of the enzo which just came around the turn at a high speed?
Good work Detective
11-03-2005, 05:31 PM
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I think the tire is not from the Enzo, my guess is definitely that he hit someone else.
crazy pics tho.
crazy pics tho.
11-03-2005, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Near Milan, some 41yr old...........not sure how fast the guy was going, but seeing how the car split completely in two would be very concerning if I was an Enzo owner.
11-03-2005, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
From the looks of it he lost control at a high rate of speed, went into the grass, and flipped his car very high in the air several times causing the car to split?
Wow... i mean that car looks like it was wrapped around a tree at one point maybe he did hit a tree?
Wow... i mean that car looks like it was wrapped around a tree at one point
maybe he did hit a tree?I would still expect less passanger compartment damage(let alone cracking in half) to a car designed for such high speeds.
11-03-2005, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Considering its hard to "wrap" molded carbon fiber around a tree, its easy to see why it split.
I would still expect less passanger compartment damage(let alone cracking in half) to a car designed for such high speeds.
I would still expect less passanger compartment damage(let alone cracking in half) to a car designed for such high speeds.
It is a carbon fiber tub,"molded" 
By the way there is some aluminum(honeycomb) in that Enzo to help it pass safety laws which goes to show just how fast he must have been going to totally split the car in half.Ferrari was thinking about saving weight and making the car faster than the carrera GT v10 ... Safety
That car is BARELY street legal.
And here is Bridgestone Potenza RE050A, which is the OEM spec tire from Ferrari; same tread pattern.
11-03-2005, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
That's really poor engineering IMO. Ferrari designed this car to be basically a street legal race car. The car should have had a FIA tub for the money you spend on the car. You can see that the CF tub split into two. The person might have had a chance had the car not split at the passenger compartment. I know that the CF tub in the McLaren F1 and Carrera GT is very rigid and stays intact upon impact.
This man knows his cars.
11-03-2005, 09:36 PM
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Is it kevlar or aluminum? Im pretty sure they used aluminum, its cheaper. Anyone know what the Enzo is exactly made of? I know its monocoque which means the shell supports most of the car rather than the chassis. More common in automobiles now, mostly predominant in aircraft engineering.
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11-03-2005, 09:46 PM
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Is it kevlar or aluminum? Im pretty sure they used aluminum, its cheaper. Anyone know what the Enzo is exactly made of? I know its monocoque which means the shell supports most of the car rather than the chassis. More common in automobiles now, mostly predominant in aircraft engineering.
11-03-2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Here's a picture of the monocoque. Compare this to the original pictures and you can get a pretty good idea of where and how it broke. 
Of course... right by the front fender the thinnest part of the tub. Think about it that would take a considerable amount of force.
11-03-2005, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Of course... right by the front fender the thinnest part of the tub. Think about it that would take a considerable amount of force.
11-03-2005, 11:10 PM
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I was under the impression that the body panels were made from carbon fiber sandwiched around aluminum honey comb.
Interesting. anyone else know?
Interesting. anyone else know?
11-04-2005, 11:46 AM
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my guess as to what happened, not exactly sure, but from the pictures, and this frame work picture (Edr0e) i would say he over corrected and slammed hard into that ivy covered wall, on the right side corner, hence thats why it tore apart in that manner
11-04-2005, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fedor corolla
he clearly hit that wall in the back ground
I didnt notice all the shrubs on the floor which does indicate he came in contact with the bushes... Obviously if theres that much damage to the car there was more than just bushes. The wall is not visible but your theory does make the most sense. There must be a wall behind the bushes.
Been watching too much CSI
11-04-2005, 06:17 PM
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I think that the problem lies that Ferrari didn't put too much effort into safety. How many million dollar plus prototypes would you want to crash? There was a pretty well known crash of a Carrera GT a few months back on a road course out west. IIRC there were fatalities, but the cockpit stayed intact. McLarens are also very safe. I saw a crash video of one on TLC a few years back when they were doing testing. It was quite amazing to see how little damage the car had. Ferrari should be ashamed of themselves. I have heard of a few other newer Ferrari's splitting in half. FYI....Race cars are designed to shed parts off of their structure to absorb the impact. Every see an modern open wheel race car crash? Partsfly everywhere, but the protective tube stays intact. I was at Chicagoland Speedway this year and an IRL car split into two. The driver suffered a few broken bones, but lived to race again.
11-05-2005, 04:42 AM
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Carbon / Metal cars would rip apart in such an impact its not odd to see that.
If you want to go race car speed go get your self a steel cage, like the professionals do it.
If you want to go race car speed go get your self a steel cage, like the professionals do it.
11-05-2005, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I think that the problem lies that Ferrari didn't put too much effort into safety. How many million dollar plus prototypes would you want to crash? There was a pretty well known crash of a Carrera GT a few months back on a road course out west. IIRC there were fatalities, but the cockpit stayed intact. McLarens are also very safe. I saw a crash video of one on TLC a few years back when they were doing testing. It was quite amazing to see how little damage the car had. Ferrari should be ashamed of themselves. I have heard of a few other newer Ferrari's splitting in half. FYI....Race cars are designed to shed parts off of their structure to absorb the impact. Every see an modern open wheel race car crash? Partsfly everywhere, but the protective tube stays intact. I was at Chicagoland Speedway this year and an IRL car split into two. The driver suffered a few broken bones, but lived to race again.
Race car building 101 stuffEven the screws are spring loaded, designed to pop up and out in case of an impact. The structure is engineered to break apart. Seeing as how the Enzo is basically Michael Schumacher's F1 in street disguise, it's not a bad thing that the car broke apart like that. It's meant to do that. However, the broken structure baffles me... but I guess that depends on how fast he was going and just how hard he hit, in order to determine if Ferraris indeed are prone to breaking apart like that.
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