Effects of Ethanol
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Effects of Ethanol
I haven't really jumped on either side of this discussion, but I know there have been a few threads on here about ethanol in fuel and its pros and cons. Came upon this article and thought i'd throw some more fuel on the fire 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...cstillwell.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...cstillwell.DTL
04-02-2008, 09:06 PM
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you couldnt pay me to use that crap, new car or not
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Unfortunately there is 10% ethanol in all Oregon gas.. I'd guesstimate that its killed my gas mileage by 15% or more.
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minus all the power and physical effects of the gas arguments, it was interesting to read ethanols effect on markets and agriculture. I do think the giant subsidies for corn are a problem
04-03-2008, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Unfortunately there is 10% ethanol in all Oregon gas.. I'd guesstimate that its killed my gas mileage by 15% or more.
04-03-2008, 07:58 AM
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Unfortunately there is 10% ethanol in all Oregon gas.. I'd guesstimate that its killed my gas mileage by 15% or more.
04-03-2008, 08:05 AM
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When all the oil runs out, ethanol will be the only thing that I'll be able to use to run my red barchetta 
We've had 10% ethanol up here in mass for awhile now... (a year or more I think).
We've had 10% ethanol up here in mass for awhile now... (a year or more I think).
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I have completley cooled off on the support for ethanol. if i can't drive my integra and get 30 miles to the gallon with it than come up with a better option. I am more excited about the new diesel motors that are coming out. i think hondas diesel motor got something like 63 MPG. this new revision of old technology is were it is at.
04-03-2008, 11:43 AM
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ethanol is some politician's wet dream that sounds good, but actually has so many drawbacks, I would say it is more detrimental to our environment, fuel efficiency, economy, and wallets overall.
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
04-03-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
ethanol is some politician's wet dream that sounds good, but actually has so many drawbacks, I would say it is more detrimental to our environment, fuel efficiency, economy, and wallets overall.
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
Just a fancy farm subsidy with gross environmental consequences.
04-03-2008, 12:53 PM
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Ethanol FTL
04-03-2008, 02:21 PM
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You guys are missing the point... Ethanol might not be a great idea now, but most of you won't give a shit about the enviroment or lower fuel economy when gas is $10 a gallon, and ethanol is $4 a gallon... I might be dead before I see it happen, but eventually we're going to have to run our cars on something other than fossil fuels. That gives us more than enough time to mitigate the downsides of ethanol...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
04-03-2008, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
You guys are missing the point... Ethanol might not be a great idea now, but most of you won't give a shit about the enviroment or lower fuel economy when gas is $10 a gallon, and ethanol is $4 a gallon... I might be dead before I see it happen, but eventually we're going to have to run our cars on something other than fossil fuels. That gives us more than enough time to mitigate the downsides of ethanol...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
GM
Actually , there is more oil, they just need to figure out a way of getting it out of the ground( see Alberta Oilsands), but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you, long term, we need an alternative solution to crude, I just don't think Ethanol is the answer. The concern for me is that we are using food to fuel our cars- complete insanity.. and at the same time, subsidies the farmers to do it. ( I think it was subsidies in 2006 were $7 billion). If this keeps up , you could see 30% of corn production going to Ethanol, not to mention wheat.. Don't worry about $10 a gallon gas, worry about $10 a loaf bread.. not to mention what will happen to the price of Nachos..
04-03-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
You guys are missing the point... Ethanol might not be a great idea now, but most of you won't give a shit about the enviroment or lower fuel economy when gas is $10 a gallon, and ethanol is $4 a gallon... I might be dead before I see it happen, but eventually we're going to have to run our cars on something other than fossil fuels. That gives us more than enough time to mitigate the downsides of ethanol...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
the question that remains, is oil a fossil fuel? the answer is leaning toward no. http://www.321energy.com/editorials/...man083105.html
04-03-2008, 04:18 PM
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GM
Actually , there is more oil, they just need to figure out a way of getting it out of the ground( see Alberta Oilsands), but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you, long term, we need an alternative solution to crude, I just don't think Ethanol is the answer. The concern for me is that we are using food to fuel our cars- complete insanity.. and at the same time, subsidies the farmers to do it. ( I think it was subsidies in 2006 were $7 billion). If this keeps up , you could see 30% of corn production going to Ethanol, not to mention wheat.. Don't worry about $10 a gallon gas, worry about $10 a loaf bread.. not to mention what will happen to the price of Nachos..
Actually , there is more oil, they just need to figure out a way of getting it out of the ground( see Alberta Oilsands), but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you, long term, we need an alternative solution to crude, I just don't think Ethanol is the answer. The concern for me is that we are using food to fuel our cars- complete insanity.. and at the same time, subsidies the farmers to do it. ( I think it was subsidies in 2006 were $7 billion). If this keeps up , you could see 30% of corn production going to Ethanol, not to mention wheat.. Don't worry about $10 a gallon gas, worry about $10 a loaf bread.. not to mention what will happen to the price of Nachos..
Not to mention there isnt enough farmland to make enough E to fuel our cars
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
You guys are missing the point... Ethanol might not be a great idea now, but most of you won't give a shit about the enviroment or lower fuel economy when gas is $10 a gallon, and ethanol is $4 a gallon... I might be dead before I see it happen, but eventually we're going to have to run our cars on something other than fossil fuels. That gives us more than enough time to mitigate the downsides of ethanol...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
CORN BASED Ethanol FTL...
04-03-2008, 09:23 PM
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ethanol is some politician's wet dream that sounds good, but actually has so many drawbacks, I would say it is more detrimental to our environment, fuel efficiency, economy, and wallets overall.
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
but, hey, it sounds good on paper and makes good pr
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Originally Posted by tsxGoldenBear
minus all the power and physical effects of the gas arguments, it was interesting to read ethanols effect on markets and agriculture. I do think the giant subsidies for corn are a problem
there probably won't be a LDP(market subsidies) due to i just did a future contract at 6 bucks a bushel
.I'll put 100 bucks bet that if corn 5-6 bucks a bushel they'll be no LDP payment.
hell your lucky to get a LDP of a 10 cents on 3 bucks a bushel of corn. so 5-6 buck corn it's not gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
You guys are missing the point... Ethanol might not be a great idea now, but most of you won't give a shit about the enviroment or lower fuel economy when gas is $10 a gallon, and ethanol is $4 a gallon... I might be dead before I see it happen, but eventually we're going to have to run our cars on something other than fossil fuels. That gives us more than enough time to mitigate the downsides of ethanol...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
You can't make more oil, but despite it's drawbacks, ethanol is a renewable resource that can be grown.... Corn is probably the worst crop, but sugar beets and other crops hold great promise.
Brazil has loads of sugar cane waste that it turns into fuel, and Ethanol is the fuel of choice for taxi drivers down there since it's cheaper than gas... Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. The country's use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s...
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Originally Posted by Steelers Wheels
GM
Actually , there is more oil, they just need to figure out a way of getting it out of the ground( see Alberta Oilsands), but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you, long term, we need an alternative solution to crude, I just don't think Ethanol is the answer. The concern for me is that we are using food to fuel our cars- complete insanity.. and at the same time, subsidies the farmers to do it. ( I think it was subsidies in 2006 were $7 billion). If this keeps up , you could see 30% of corn production going to Ethanol, not to mention wheat.. Don't worry about $10 a gallon gas, worry about $10 a loaf bread.. not to mention what will happen to the price of Nachos..
Actually , there is more oil, they just need to figure out a way of getting it out of the ground( see Alberta Oilsands), but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you, long term, we need an alternative solution to crude, I just don't think Ethanol is the answer. The concern for me is that we are using food to fuel our cars- complete insanity.. and at the same time, subsidies the farmers to do it. ( I think it was subsidies in 2006 were $7 billion). If this keeps up , you could see 30% of corn production going to Ethanol, not to mention wheat.. Don't worry about $10 a gallon gas, worry about $10 a loaf bread.. not to mention what will happen to the price of Nachos..
I don't have any ground in the CRP. however the company i work for we have tons of people we serve has CRP ground.
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