deep thoughts...m3 vs. m5
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deep thoughts...m3 vs. m5
I frequent ebay motors more often than I should (especially during work ) and I've noticed that you can get a real nice m5 with pretty low miles for ~$50k. For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6131
yes yes the buy price is $62k, but thats the price of a new fully loaded m3 as well. Here are a few questions
1. Which is a better buy in terms or features/performance/luxary, etc
2. How is the reliability of both the m3 and m5 in general (i.e. can you take them to, say, 120k miles without any major work)
3. Finally, if you had that kind of cash in your hand, and you just HAD to buy an M, which would you buy?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6131
yes yes the buy price is $62k, but thats the price of a new fully loaded m3 as well. Here are a few questions
1. Which is a better buy in terms or features/performance/luxary, etc
2. How is the reliability of both the m3 and m5 in general (i.e. can you take them to, say, 120k miles without any major work)
3. Finally, if you had that kind of cash in your hand, and you just HAD to buy an M, which would you buy?
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I'll answer 1 and 3
1. Features and Luxury would most likely go to the M5. I mean the car is about 15-20k more brand new. Performance would likely go to the 3 because its smaller and lighter. So if you want a little more sport get the M3 and if you want a little more lux get the 5.
2. My opinion more than an answer but I haven't heard about too many issues with the M5, but have heard about the early M3s having engine issues. DOn't really know though
3. I would personally get the M5 because I am more of a sedan guy (I have a TLS). Plus the fiancee wants an M3 so I figure one of us should have the sedan!
1. Features and Luxury would most likely go to the M5. I mean the car is about 15-20k more brand new. Performance would likely go to the 3 because its smaller and lighter. So if you want a little more sport get the M3 and if you want a little more lux get the 5.
2. My opinion more than an answer but I haven't heard about too many issues with the M5, but have heard about the early M3s having engine issues. DOn't really know though
3. I would personally get the M5 because I am more of a sedan guy (I have a TLS). Plus the fiancee wants an M3 so I figure one of us should have the sedan!
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Originally posted by bkknight369
lol tru tru...actually id prefer an m3 over the m5, because of the weight, and that dam smg
lol tru tru...actually id prefer an m3 over the m5, because of the weight, and that dam smg
I would take an M3 no questions asked, but if I had the option to buy either one, its not a hard question to answer.
And screw the SMG you buy that car you buy a manual period. I dont care how much faster you can launch it.
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M5 - Performance on par w/ the M3, 4 doors and much more exclusivity than the M3. I see maybe 4 E46 M3's and 4-5 E36 M3's in any given week. M5's?- maybe 1 a month
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
This is no contest, the M5. The 5 series is what truly makes BMW shine, they feel great. Drive one from each generation and its amazing, same sports lux feel with more and more refinement. And check the bimmer boards the M5 is fast as hell. And if you felt the need to you can mod that car with a supercharger and CAI and it will fly.
I would take an M3 no questions asked, but if I had the option to buy either one, its not a hard question to answer.
And screw the SMG you buy that car you buy a manual period. I dont care how much faster you can launch it.
This is no contest, the M5. The 5 series is what truly makes BMW shine, they feel great. Drive one from each generation and its amazing, same sports lux feel with more and more refinement. And check the bimmer boards the M5 is fast as hell. And if you felt the need to you can mod that car with a supercharger and CAI and it will fly.
I would take an M3 no questions asked, but if I had the option to buy either one, its not a hard question to answer.
And screw the SMG you buy that car you buy a manual period. I dont care how much faster you can launch it.
finally stock for stock m3 just SLIGHTLY faster than m5? Of course both are already god-like fast, so Im just asking out of curiosity
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Originally posted by Haus
M5 - Performance on par w/ the M3, 4 doors and much more exclusivity than the M3. I see maybe 4 E46 M3's and 4-5 E36 M3's in any given week. M5's?- maybe 1 a month
M5 - Performance on par w/ the M3, 4 doors and much more exclusivity than the M3. I see maybe 4 E46 M3's and 4-5 E36 M3's in any given week. M5's?- maybe 1 a month
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M5 is faster than the M3... they are equally 'quick'. 0-60 or maybe a 1/4-mile... they are on par. Anything beyond that, the M5 wins. Even the 1/4-mile... the M5 wins at least by 1 car length.
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Originally posted by bkknight369
well you know if offered either, i would not be dumb enough to turn it down "...yea i want the other M...", but to me an M3 has a youthful vigor that is just lacking in the M5. Plus the smg, though it is a small option, would allow me the option to drive in auto when I feel like...who wants to shift throught 6 gears ALL day EVERY day even in traffic?
finally stock for stock m3 just SLIGHTLY faster than m5? Of course both are already god-like fast, so Im just asking out of curiosity
well you know if offered either, i would not be dumb enough to turn it down "...yea i want the other M...", but to me an M3 has a youthful vigor that is just lacking in the M5. Plus the smg, though it is a small option, would allow me the option to drive in auto when I feel like...who wants to shift throught 6 gears ALL day EVERY day even in traffic?
finally stock for stock m3 just SLIGHTLY faster than m5? Of course both are already god-like fast, so Im just asking out of curiosity
The M3s are nice, id take one for sure, but the M5 is classier and roomier and with the larger engine will rule on the highway period over the M3. A true Sports sedan.
Now these are purely my opinions, but I have been a Bimmer fan since I started driving. look at my sig and see the first car I bought. The 5 series will always hold the number spot with me over the 3 series. And SMG, maybe when im 60 and have bad arthritis in my knees, till then i gots to have a clutch even in shitty LA traffic.
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anyone know about the lifespans of the M3/5? Im only curious because ferraris, for example, need lots of expensive maintenance. Nsx however doesnt. So what is the story with bmw? about how much can you expect to shell out on maintenance once the initial free full maintenance term runs out?
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Originally posted by bkknight369
anyone know about the lifespans of the M3/5? Im only curious because ferraris, for example, need lots of expensive maintenance. Nsx however doesnt. So what is the story with bmw? about how much can you expect to shell out on maintenance once the initial free full maintenance term runs out?
anyone know about the lifespans of the M3/5? Im only curious because ferraris, for example, need lots of expensive maintenance. Nsx however doesnt. So what is the story with bmw? about how much can you expect to shell out on maintenance once the initial free full maintenance term runs out?
But if you treat your bimmer right and have all the scheduled maintenance work on it done, then youll car will live a long long time.
I dont know how much has changed, I know things are as good as they used to be even with hondas/acuras. but my 85 bimmer ( i can never remember the design number E??) was considered one of the most bulletproof bimmers ever. Near the end of my owning it it was a 14-15 year old car with over 100k and the engine and tranny were still good as new it was everything thing like window motors and condenser fans that was going. but even then it was more expensive to maintain regulary then the accord i got when i sold it.
you want a great car find an 850csi. manual with 2 inline 6's under the hood. maybe not as fast the M's of today but damn its one sexy car. one of my all time favorite cars to beat the band.
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
And SMG, maybe when im 60 and have bad arthritis in my knees, till then i gots to have a clutch even in shitty LA traffic.
And SMG, maybe when im 60 and have bad arthritis in my knees, till then i gots to have a clutch even in shitty LA traffic.
lol
I luv my SS mode. Its fun shifting up and down through [light] traffic, and trying to stay at a certain powerband all the time...but somtimes i just want to relax, turn on some music, and drive home in auto...but again this is a minor concern, if I had bought a manual trans car, Im sure I would feel as you do
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
you want a great car find an 850csi. manual with 2 inline 6's under the hood. maybe not as fast the M's of today but damn its one sexy car. one of my all time favorite cars to beat the band.
you want a great car find an 850csi. manual with 2 inline 6's under the hood. maybe not as fast the M's of today but damn its one sexy car. one of my all time favorite cars to beat the band.
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Screw the M3 and M5, get the M coupe, such a rare car, really cool looking, will turn heads wherever you go for sure, and is definitly the most "raw" of all of the M cars.
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you're right, it is...but the M coupe would have to be your second car right (imagine trying to go pick up someone from an air port with it...lol). I love how the new M coupe has 65 more hp than the old...dam thats cool of bmw to do
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Originally posted by Collective27
Screw the M3 and M5, get the M coupe, such a rare car, really cool looking, will turn heads wherever you go for sure, and is definitly the most "raw" of all of the M cars.
Screw the M3 and M5, get the M coupe, such a rare car, really cool looking, will turn heads wherever you go for sure, and is definitly the most "raw" of all of the M cars.
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Originally posted by bkknight369
you're right, it is...but the M coupe would have to be your second car right (imagine trying to go pick up someone from an air port with it...lol). I love how the new M coupe has 65 more hp than the old...dam thats cool of bmw to do
you're right, it is...but the M coupe would have to be your second car right (imagine trying to go pick up someone from an air port with it...lol). I love how the new M coupe has 65 more hp than the old...dam thats cool of bmw to do
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really??? no 2003 M roadster?? I didnt know that...oh but they will have a Motorsports edition of the z4 right? They'll have to in order to compete with the slk 32 amg
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really??? no 2003 M roadster?? I didnt know that...oh but they will have a Motorsports edition of the z4 right? They'll have to in order to compete with the slk 32 amg
really??? no 2003 M roadster?? I didnt know that...oh but they will have a Motorsports edition of the z4 right? They'll have to in order to compete with the slk 32 amg
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I had a 00 Mcoupe, would have hated to drive that car everyday....but lots of owners do though.
The guy that bought mine is like 50 and drives it day in and day out.
The guy that bought mine is like 50 and drives it day in and day out.
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M5 is old....due for a major change very soon.....
M3 will prolly be around in current form for a few more years.
Performance is similar, but the M5 is faster and costs more.
Neither will be as reliable as your average Toyota or Honda. Believe that.
M3 will prolly be around in current form for a few more years.
Performance is similar, but the M5 is faster and costs more.
Neither will be as reliable as your average Toyota or Honda. Believe that.
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they are putting a v10 in the m5 by the end of this year/beginning of next year
i still say m5 all the way. im only 16, but i had the chance to drive one. everything on it was perfect. loved the gearbox/clutch...it all worked perfectly
i still say m5 all the way. im only 16, but i had the chance to drive one. everything on it was perfect. loved the gearbox/clutch...it all worked perfectly
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Originally posted by Python2121
loved the gearbox/clutch...it all worked perfectly
loved the gearbox/clutch...it all worked perfectly
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Originally posted by Beltfed
The gearbox is very good, but the clutch sucks on the M5.....its actually one of the worst aspects of the car. Other than that, the M5 is a hard car to fault (other than the style being ancient).
The gearbox is very good, but the clutch sucks on the M5.....its actually one of the worst aspects of the car. Other than that, the M5 is a hard car to fault (other than the style being ancient).
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If you are the young and impatient type, with no cares about road rules and constantly ponder the thought of blasting by a speed trap at 155 and attempting to get away with it ... Get a M3.
If you are the more mature type, with responsibilities and maybe a family (4 doors). And, you like refinement over raw engine speed, and at times like to cruise at higher gears yet still retain most of the engine power (high torque), then get a M5.
Either way, as sidemarker said above, you'll be a pimp.
So ... where can I get some hos to pimp?
If you are the young and impatient type, with no cares about road rules and constantly ponder the thought of blasting by a speed trap at 155 and attempting to get away with it ... Get a M3.
If you are the more mature type, with responsibilities and maybe a family (4 doors). And, you like refinement over raw engine speed, and at times like to cruise at higher gears yet still retain most of the engine power (high torque), then get a M5.
Either way, as sidemarker said above, you'll be a pimp.
So ... where can I get some hos to pimp?
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The M3 is a lot more raw than the M5....it's louder, stiffer, and a lot bolder. The M5 goes about its supercar status with dignity...it's like Denzel Washington. The M3 screams, it shouts, it's obnoxious, it's LOOK AT ME; The Chris Tucker of cars if you will.
By the way, like it or not sequential manual gearboxes are here to stay....with the new 7 speed gearboxes coming out and such.
By the way, like it or not sequential manual gearboxes are here to stay....with the new 7 speed gearboxes coming out and such.
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
holy crap this post is old as fuck
the order I have now is:
2003 m5 > 2004 m3 > 2005 m5
the order I have now is:
2003 m5 > 2004 m3 > 2005 m5
But I've started autoXing since this post was made...
So, while the 03 M5 is still my favorite...the M Coupe is more suited to what I do
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Originally Posted by thedream21479
Considering there is NO 2005 M5...the new V10 M5 doesn't come out till next year as an 06 model...and I am proudly on the waiting list!
BUT crappy interior and no manual = phhhhhhhhhhht for me.
I dont care what the reviews are saying about that car...It at least needs a stick to make up for what it lacks in overall design.
newest gen M6 > newest gen M5 imo.
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Originally Posted by thedream21479
Considering there is NO 2005 M5...the new V10 M5 doesn't come out till next year as an 06 model...and I am proudly on the waiting list!
holy crap this post is old as fuck
the order I have now is:
2003 m5 > 2004 m3 > 2006 m5
the order I have now is:
2003 m5 > 2004 m3 > 2006 m5